Dan Hitchman
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With studios constantly double, triple, and quadruple dipping with catalog and new titles I find that 80-90% of the time there is almost nothing of redeeming quality in these re-issues that would really warrant a re-buy.
Most of the time the transfers are re-hashed and not improved (better compression, fully restored and/or pristine new negatives transferred at 1080p with the supervision of the filmmakers, etc.). The audio isn't improved or remastered, and the extras are a bunch of fluffy, back patting made-for-TV "featurettes" (advertisements in disguise usually) pieces that, frankly, should wind up in the garbage instead of in the collection of real movie enthusiasts who want to know about the film making process.
A wonderful exception to this rule was New Line's recently released Fellowship of the Rings 4 and 5 disc boxed sets. They contained a spruced up director's edition (split to two discs with most supplements on discs 3 and 4... and 5 to keep the video quality of the movie up) of the movie, high fidelity, fully remixed DTS-ES Discrete 6.1 sound, and a truck load of commentaries, extras and documentaries that were not only numerous, but of interest to the casual and rabid film collector. Truly, worthy of a re-purchase if you happened to buy the theatrical cut on DVD previously.
Here again I find myself in a real quandary over the much talked about re-issues of the equally much loved (Alien and Aliens: Director's Cut) and much despised (the latter two films) sci-fi franchise.
Will Fox use these double dipped titles to throw the same content and video transfers as the Alien Legacy set together, slap on a DTS track, call it the "Alien Legacy 1.5" Special Edition Set and rest on their laurels, or will they actually fix problems and enhance these ground-breaking films (I'd go so far to call Alien and Aliens two of the greatest sci-fi/action movies in history)?
Here are some examples of what they should do in my opinion:
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Audio:
The problem with the current Alien DVD vs. the THX Certified Dolby AC-3 RF LaserDisc put out a few years back is not only one of a lack of bass, but the fact that two different masters were used; one for the LD and one for the DVD.
The LaserDisc's Dolby Digital track is encoded using the 70mm 6-track master. It does contain sound cue and music cue errors that Ridley Scott wanted fixed, however. It was one of those rare 6 track mixes that was the model for today's 5.1 surround (another was Apocalypse Now's 70mm track): three front channels, two stereo surround channels, and a "baby boom" channel.
Notice I did say stereo surrounds.
Which brings me to the DVD we have at the moment. It has the sound corrections Ridley Scott wanted. Now here comes the problem: they didn't fix the 70mm 6-track master, they mistakenly (IMHO) chose the 4 channel Dolby Stereo printmaster to correct. Meaning, no low bass "rumble" track and mono surrounds.
I'm not the only one to notice these audio issues as they were brought up on online chats, reviews, and Widescreen Review at the time of the Alien DVD's release.
These re-releases of all the Alien films in DTS (and hopefully much improved video transfers) are a golden opportunity for Fox to fix the audio problems and release these with new, truly phenomenal 5.1 mixes, and maybe... hopefully even full DTS-ES Discrete 6.1 (with the supervision and assistance of DTS, top audio mixers like Gary Rydstrom or Walter Murch, etc. and the very capable Mi Casa Studios for audiophile, near-field audio designs). These would be Fox's first Region 1 DVD releases using 24 bit DTS-ES Discrete 6.1, if they were to use it. These films are certainly worthy of such treatment.
Now for the video/picture quality:
At the very least Ridley Scott (and those at Scott Free Productions), James Cameron (hopefully), and David Fincher (and anyone else they chose to select) should be allowed to oversee full negative restorations and high definition video transferring (using the best scanners and color correctors available-- like those at Kodak's Cinesite).
Alien 4's transfer should use the best "silver retention" negatives available from the camera negatives (since that process creates better contrast, etc. and makes whites "snap" and "glow"). David Fincher's Se7en used such negatives too in the filming process.
The much discussed Alien 3 Director's Cut:
I feel strongly that even though Alien 3 is (again, only stating my opinion) the start of the downfall of the Alien franchise, this time around David Fincher be given free and full latitude to restore and recut the film to what he originally envisioned (with no studio tampering this time around). If you would allow some "fixing" of special effects and opticals that would be wonderful. This is not a new phenomenon as Warner Brothers did this with Superman: The Movie (and possibly Superman 2), Paramount with Apocalypse Now and some of the Star Trek films, Sony did it with Das Boot, New Line with The Lord of the Rings, Universal and Warner Brothers with Ridley Scott's own Legend and Blade Runner, etc. etc. Please allow this for the fans, and perhaps there's an even better film waiting to emerge from its tumultuous past.
If anyone would like to chime in here with additional opinions and suggestions for the new Alien discs (especially new supplemental material), please feel free to speak up.
Mr. Staddon, although this is a hot button topic, I would enjoy and welcome your view points as well. Hopefully these can set new benchmarks in quality popular catalog title re-releasing.
Dan
Most of the time the transfers are re-hashed and not improved (better compression, fully restored and/or pristine new negatives transferred at 1080p with the supervision of the filmmakers, etc.). The audio isn't improved or remastered, and the extras are a bunch of fluffy, back patting made-for-TV "featurettes" (advertisements in disguise usually) pieces that, frankly, should wind up in the garbage instead of in the collection of real movie enthusiasts who want to know about the film making process.
A wonderful exception to this rule was New Line's recently released Fellowship of the Rings 4 and 5 disc boxed sets. They contained a spruced up director's edition (split to two discs with most supplements on discs 3 and 4... and 5 to keep the video quality of the movie up) of the movie, high fidelity, fully remixed DTS-ES Discrete 6.1 sound, and a truck load of commentaries, extras and documentaries that were not only numerous, but of interest to the casual and rabid film collector. Truly, worthy of a re-purchase if you happened to buy the theatrical cut on DVD previously.
Here again I find myself in a real quandary over the much talked about re-issues of the equally much loved (Alien and Aliens: Director's Cut) and much despised (the latter two films) sci-fi franchise.
Will Fox use these double dipped titles to throw the same content and video transfers as the Alien Legacy set together, slap on a DTS track, call it the "Alien Legacy 1.5" Special Edition Set and rest on their laurels, or will they actually fix problems and enhance these ground-breaking films (I'd go so far to call Alien and Aliens two of the greatest sci-fi/action movies in history)?
Here are some examples of what they should do in my opinion:
-------------
Audio:
The problem with the current Alien DVD vs. the THX Certified Dolby AC-3 RF LaserDisc put out a few years back is not only one of a lack of bass, but the fact that two different masters were used; one for the LD and one for the DVD.
The LaserDisc's Dolby Digital track is encoded using the 70mm 6-track master. It does contain sound cue and music cue errors that Ridley Scott wanted fixed, however. It was one of those rare 6 track mixes that was the model for today's 5.1 surround (another was Apocalypse Now's 70mm track): three front channels, two stereo surround channels, and a "baby boom" channel.
Notice I did say stereo surrounds.
Which brings me to the DVD we have at the moment. It has the sound corrections Ridley Scott wanted. Now here comes the problem: they didn't fix the 70mm 6-track master, they mistakenly (IMHO) chose the 4 channel Dolby Stereo printmaster to correct. Meaning, no low bass "rumble" track and mono surrounds.
I'm not the only one to notice these audio issues as they were brought up on online chats, reviews, and Widescreen Review at the time of the Alien DVD's release.
These re-releases of all the Alien films in DTS (and hopefully much improved video transfers) are a golden opportunity for Fox to fix the audio problems and release these with new, truly phenomenal 5.1 mixes, and maybe... hopefully even full DTS-ES Discrete 6.1 (with the supervision and assistance of DTS, top audio mixers like Gary Rydstrom or Walter Murch, etc. and the very capable Mi Casa Studios for audiophile, near-field audio designs). These would be Fox's first Region 1 DVD releases using 24 bit DTS-ES Discrete 6.1, if they were to use it. These films are certainly worthy of such treatment.
Now for the video/picture quality:
At the very least Ridley Scott (and those at Scott Free Productions), James Cameron (hopefully), and David Fincher (and anyone else they chose to select) should be allowed to oversee full negative restorations and high definition video transferring (using the best scanners and color correctors available-- like those at Kodak's Cinesite).
Alien 4's transfer should use the best "silver retention" negatives available from the camera negatives (since that process creates better contrast, etc. and makes whites "snap" and "glow"). David Fincher's Se7en used such negatives too in the filming process.
The much discussed Alien 3 Director's Cut:
I feel strongly that even though Alien 3 is (again, only stating my opinion) the start of the downfall of the Alien franchise, this time around David Fincher be given free and full latitude to restore and recut the film to what he originally envisioned (with no studio tampering this time around). If you would allow some "fixing" of special effects and opticals that would be wonderful. This is not a new phenomenon as Warner Brothers did this with Superman: The Movie (and possibly Superman 2), Paramount with Apocalypse Now and some of the Star Trek films, Sony did it with Das Boot, New Line with The Lord of the Rings, Universal and Warner Brothers with Ridley Scott's own Legend and Blade Runner, etc. etc. Please allow this for the fans, and perhaps there's an even better film waiting to emerge from its tumultuous past.
If anyone would like to chime in here with additional opinions and suggestions for the new Alien discs (especially new supplemental material), please feel free to speak up.
Mr. Staddon, although this is a hot button topic, I would enjoy and welcome your view points as well. Hopefully these can set new benchmarks in quality popular catalog title re-releasing.
Dan