TWENTIETH CENTURY FOX HOME ENTERTAINMENT DEBUTS Manufacture-On-Demand DVD SERIES

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  1. lionel59

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    Well said Nick.
    I have received four Fox MODs today. Here are my views on them:
    THE FARMER TAKES A WIFE - Excellent transfer. Great image. Could pass for a "restoration" of the elements of this title.
    HIGH SCHOOL- Ok but contrasts issues present themselves. Perhaps a badly badly timed print from the lab.
    THE ROCKET MAN- Excellent transfer. Reportedly shot to be shown at 1.66:1, but this does look like an 'Open Matte' version to me.
    THE MOON IS DOWN- Quite good. The sound has a little noise in it but nothing that overly concerns me.I doubt that it woud have taken much effort to rerecord it and "clean it up" but I think ANY trouble is too much trouble for the Fox MOD powers-that-be.
     
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    That is a fantastic article. I certainly learned a lot from it.
     
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    MOD is not about preserving our film heritage. MOD is all about money, maximizing the amount of money that can be gotten from an individual consumer. MOD programs are simply an attempt by producers to by-pass distributors. Distributors lower the price on retail DVDs. By taking over distribution by themselves, producers can set their own price. However, as the MOD programs soon found out, distributing your own product isn't easy. They've had to reach agreements with third-party distributors to move their product, just as with retail DVDs. What's different about these new agreements is that they obviously prohibit the MODs from falling below a certain price. It's all price-fixing, getting the highest price they can. Film lovers can take it or leave it. It's not about quality or anything like that. I guess we should be thankful that there are a few MOD programs that care a little about quality, Warner and Sony. The rest treat MOD as an afterthought, a way for them to get a few dollars in spite of putting even less in.
     
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    So I guess Warner Archive does not have those four or five sales per month that sometimes gets the cost of an MOD below $10.00? When MGM had their MOD program, they also went back and fixed some of their problems and tried to do it right. Universal also did a fairly good job. Amazon routinely lowered prices on both the MGM and Universal titles. Fox is the one does not care and I don't think it's fair to degrade the whole MOD program just because one company.
     
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    For somebody that complains about these MOD programs, you appear to buy plenty of their releases.
     
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    I think jdee's comments were pretty astute. I think Fox are handling their MODs poorly in general but I have bought some that have been worth getting. I certainly research any releases of CinemaScope titles before buying them to be sure it is a Wide Screen version, be it anamorphic or Letterbox.
    Warners are showing how it should be done. Let's hope Fox learns from them and "gets their act together" before some collectors give up on them altogether.
     
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    There really isn't anything astute about Fox's MOD program. It's horrible and I refuse to buy any of their MOD offerings until they improve them. We've been complaining about this MOD program for a year now. What other people do with their monies is their personal business, but I'm boycotting Fox's MOD program until I see concrete evidence that they've made the necessary improvements to get it on the level of WA.

    Read the following thread link.

    http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topic/324722-fox-mod-scope-news/
     
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    MOD programs are about creating price floors on DVDs. Sure Warner has sales, but there is a certain price they would never go below, $9.00. If they'd have given these discs over to regular distribution, distributors would have eventually lowered the price below that as they did with retail DVDs. By allowing companies to distribute for themselves, MOD programs guarantee that severe price cutting will never happen. That's my point. It's not a criticism, it's economics. That's why MOD programs are so enticing.

    I agree that the Fox MOD program is the worst of the worse. The price, the quality, the apathy; it's pathetic and hard to take seriously.
     
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    MOD programs are about selling DVDs that traditional retailers do not want to sell any longer with the needed floor space to do so. You want to blame the studios for being greedy, go ahead, but the reality of the situation is that every retailer has decreased their floor space for software sales due to the simple fact that the American public has reduced their spending on such items. I can't believe some of us continue to place blame on the studios while refusing to acknowledge that the marketing landscape has changed for DVD producers due to a number of reasons which started when the market became saturated with software releases, DVD sales stagnated and slowed, the economy went into the dumpster and new technology has come along in which people don't have to buy physical software to enjoy films and TV at home. It's just the way it is and people need to accept it that there is no going back to 2000 again. The studios don't have the means to sell their software product like they did ten years ago as there is no support in the retailer segment to allow that as many store chains are on life support while others have already closed in the last ten years.

    One last thing, of course, the studios want to maximize profits by improving their profit margin on units sold. They're like any other company that is in business to make money. However, that single business charge isn't the only reason why MOD programs have become popular with the studios. We need to look at the industry at large and see that producing and selling DVDs like they did years ago isn't going to be supported by the marketing segment of today. Mass producing 200K units of 1950s westerns onto DVDs isn't going to sell enough of those units to support the expense of producing those DVD titles.
     
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    If it wasn't for those nefarious MOD programs, we'd be having store-wide promotions of Wheeler and Woolsey DVD box sets, with full-size standups, tee shirts and everything all over our local Circuit Citys, Borders, Sam Goodys, Virgin Megastores, Wherehouses. Darn.
     
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    Damn straight, Nick! Preservation for the sake of art should be paramount (no pun intended)! Studio greed is endangering our film heritage. If they somehow have preservation efforts underway that we don't know about, then they should be far more transparent with the information.
    You have only addressed the MOD programs in your post and completely missed the main point of Nick's post. MOD programs or no MOD programs, the studios MUST put forth collective efforts to preserve their library. What they're doing with their current attitudes isn't enough. By the way, if studios did farm out restoration ops to organizations like MoMA, UCLA, LoC, and others, that doesn't mean that they couldn't still make money off of the titles restored by those parties outside the studio.
     
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    I wasn't replying to Nick's post!
     
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    I'm moving slow today but this is really funny.
     
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    Don't forget those Suncoast stores in the malls across America. Just about all the brick & mortar retailers I used to buy many of my video purchases are gone now except BB, who's future is questionable at best. Wal Mart is still here, but with less competition today than yesteryear.The retail distribution has really shrunk as far as brick & mortar options are concern. Even Amazon is doing their Wal Mart act on their Internet competition by overwhelming other businesses.It's such a different world retailer-wise.
     
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    f.y.e stores seem to be the only B&M stores left in malls. But are on the high side for cost.
     
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    Right. In my world there's B&N (may it somehow thrive), but with a 45-minute-and-longer drive for the decent stores; Best Buy (what's left of the media section); and the occasional f.y.e. -- but the couple of really good ones in my neck of the woods got closed, coinciding with the upcoming renewal date of my membership, so I said the hell with that.

    I have Walmart and Target, but can't consider either of these a viable media source. I might pick up a new release there once a year or so. I love brick and mortar more than I can say, but except for the better B&N stores, Amazon is still winning this round.
     
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    Yeah, when I lived in Ridgeland CT it was fun to go to Tower in Stanford on Tuesdays. Ran into Gene Wilder the week I was trying to find the Silver Streak DVD. And was not the only celebrity I would run across there. Ah great B&M memories.
     
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    There is something incredibly exciting about browsing an actual DVD rack or shelf and finding that special jewel you may not have discovered otherwise... But having said that, it's also a thrill when you receive a great DVD or Blu in the mail.
     
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    The closest decent bluray or dvd seller to me is 3 hours away, a B&N. So, its Ammazon most of the time. In fact, I just ordered 5 westerns from them yesterday.
     
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    I watched the Archives release of Lure of the Wilderness (1952) this evening.

    It's a sharp print. Some nicks and dents here and there. Looks like a unrestored print. It's surely not a remaster, but coming from the archives, I'm not surprised.
    A good movie, but the black levels could have been better. The colors didn't pop like they should, being a Technicolor movie.
    Don't get me wrong, the colors were strong from time to time, but they mostly weren't quite right.

    But, all in all, coming from this series, it's a good print even if it may be from a dated master.

    I enjoyed the movie in spite of the picture quality's shortcomings.
    I wish someone else on this forum could watch it. I'd like to know if they'd agree with me.

    Sincerely,

    Even B, Norway
     

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