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Fox's evolution of "tv on dvd" to "tv on dvd-mod"

Discussion in 'TV on DVD and Blu-ray' started by jcroy, Aug 16, 2019.

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    TLDR ;)

    All this means is that supply is not the problem.

    Unfortunately the big problem is with the "demand" side of the equation. Unfortunately there is no easy way to increase demand, if all previous advertising / propaganda for bluray was a complete failure.
     
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    We might be waiting a very long time for this to eventually happen. :)
     
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    If my technophobe/luddite mother could figure out that she could subscribe to the HBO Now app to watch the last season of Game Of Thrones instead of waiting for the disc to come out, it's only a matter of time before everyone else comes to a similar conclusion.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not against TV shows on Blu-ray. I think posts where I explain where the market has gone and why it's gone that way often get mistaken as endorsements of those trends when they're merely explanations.

    But I think it's also true that for a long time, purchase decisions were tied up with needing access -- if you didn't purchase the physical object, you didn't have a method to access the content. That's simply no longer true, and the audience has gone with that adjustment. Ten years ago, if you missed an episode of something or wanted to revisit a previous season, you needed to pay money to acquire a physical object to accomplish that goal. But in 2019, if you miss an episode or want to revisit a previous season, for many people, it's as simple as touching a button on their remote.
     
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    Adam: My points exactly!
     
  5. Message #45 of 64 Aug 20, 2019
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    Too little too late to do this now. Even if the dvd patent holders wanted to do this, they can't do it now.

    Apparently just about all the patents for dvd-video and dvd-rom have already expired. So there's no way to legally "block" dvds from being manufactured anymore.

    At this time, it is possible to make a computer dvd-rom drive which only reads pressed dvd-video and dvd-rom discs, without having to pay any dvd-specific royalties. (The patents for burnable dvdr, dvdrw, and dvdram discs will eventually expire over the next several years).
     
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    In hindsight if the dvd patent holders wanted to "phase out" dvd, it should have been done back in the mid->late 2000s.

    Though unfortunately this was never done for one big reason: the patent holders didn't want to give up that easy cash flow from patent royalties. (Most of the dvd patent holders are hardware / electronics companies, and not the movie companies).
     
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    To be more specific, these are the primary patent holders for dvd.

    - LG
    - Phillips
    - Pioneer

    - Sony

    - Hitachi
    - JVC Kenwood
    - Mitsubishi
    - Panasonic
    - Samsung
    - Sharp
    - Toshiba
    - Thomson (Technicolor)

    - Warner Brothers


    No way these hardware / electronics companies were willing to give up an easy cash flow of dvd royalties over the past 20+ years.
     
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    @Adam Lenhardt
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    How would you increase the market demand for bluray/4Kbluray ?

    (Excluding the case of lobbying the government to change the law in favor of bluray / 4Kbluray consumption).
     
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    Many years ago I use to have similar sentiments as you.

    Unfortunately for tv shows which I would have purchased on bluray, it turned out they had almost no rewatch value for me such as a lot of scifi / fantasy / superhero genre type stuff which turned to shit after season 1 (or other issues such as cliffhangers, lousy finales, etc ...). I discussed this quite extensively in my "jedi mindfuck" thread on here.

    https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/which-modern-current-tv-shows-do-you-still-buy-on-dvd.362179/page-3


    As a recent example of this, it was tempting to buy the entire Falling Skies series on bluray for a low price. In the end, I decided this would be a complete waste of time and money for me. (Even if it is less expensive than going out for supper and attending the nearby multiplex theater to see a current movie). Back in the day I liked the first season or so of Falling Skies, but found the subsequent seasons to be really boring.
     
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    (More generally).

    For stuff which is not scifi / fantasy / superhero type stuff, I've found that my viewing patterns varies considerably. In a general sense, in practice I find that I can't bring myself to be watching generic procedurals, sitcoms, etc ... either as digital downloads or flat-rate vod streaming.

    In the case of generic prodcedurals, in practice I've found that I can only really watch them either as current reruns (or new first-run episodes), or on dvd (or bluray).

    For sitcoms, in pratice I've found that I can only really watch them either as current reruns or new first-run episodes. I find it very difficult to watch sitcoms (and comedy in general) as digital downloads/streaming and dvd/bluray. For example as much as I like watching The Big Bang Theory, I find that I have a difficult time watching Sheldon Cooper on dvd/bluray or vod streaming.
     
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    Region 1 US DVDs, yes. But overseas, Universal handled all 10. (I have a multi-region player.) I also purchased season 3 of Criminal Intent in Region 2 to avoid the damned flipper disc hell. Odd that was the only season to have that.
     
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    (Tangential rant).

    Back in the day, I use to be one of those enthusiasts that was into all that. I use to buy various different brands of blank discs to do scanning type quality tests. In those days, there wasn't as many extremely horrible brands / manufacturers.

    What really changed around 2010, was the "made in india" stuff becaming more common and nosediving significantly in quality. Too many coasters straight out of the "cake" case.

    Due to too many bad experiences over the past decade or so, I refuse to buy any "made in india" blank discs regardless of the brand / manufacturer.
     
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    (Without getting heavily into politics).

    I don't want to sound too "offensive", but I prefer to not be a "chump" for the movie companies.

    Imho, showing my "appreciation" for a faceless corporation/organization, is an exercise in naivety and future disappointments.

    Without going into specifics, I use to show my "appreciation" for certain corporations / organizations back in the day. I learned the hard way that I was being taken as a fool or "useful idiot".


    Same sentiments here too. Though my reasons are more technical, than emotional or economic.

    I generally don't trust the folks who are running cloud server farms. In the past, i had too many bad experiences with engineers who were completely incompetent and/or outright ignorant, but who could "talk a good game". (ie. All talk, no follow through).

    This comes from first hand experience. Once upon a time back in the day, personally I was exactly one of those incompetent engineers with very little substance or follow through. Too many of my previous peers were also cut from the same cloth. (Subsequent generations of engineers are even worse).
     
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    Simple. Stop buy TV on DVD and voice your opinions clearly and concisely to the studios, also on forums like these, which are readily reviewed by some studio execs on an anonymous basis.
     
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    Imho, only the first item will work in large enough numbers. Hit them directly in the pocketbook.

    All the other items in your list which involve "bloviating" online, is basically an exercise in "futile hypergraphia" which will elicit TLDR responses. :)
     
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    On the other hand, starving the movie companies of revenue by NOT buying the dvd versions of movies and tv shows, will not always lead to the release of the same movies and tv shows on bluray (or 4Kbluray).

    In the case of the original topic of this thread, there's the definitive possibility of a Disney/Fox tv show not being released at all on any dvd/bluray/4Kbluray disc format.
     
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    I sure hope they release 9-1-1 on DVD soon. This is one of my very favorite shows. I have the Season 1 of it and the Season 1 of The Resident. These are my very favorite shows!
     
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    I sure hope FOX does release the Second Season of 9-1-1 on DVD. I have 9-1-1 Season 1 and The Resident Season 1 on DVD and I wondered why Amazon has not said anything about these shows. I know that the NBC, ABC, and CBS shows have released theirs for the past season and FOX has not. I could not find out why these were not at Amazon, even for pre-order. I used to collect the DVDs of CSI Miami and NY and I always got an email from Amazon when the networks had discs available for pre-order. FOX hasn't.
     
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    The sheer quantity of content has also exploded in the past 20 years beyond what cable or broadcast TV ever offered. In terms of audience shares, no individual network got more than 25% of the audience for a single show this past season. That used to get you cancelled.
     
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    Yes download. Not a disc.
     

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