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I've nothing whatsoever against a 2.0 stereo or discrete surround remix being created for a film which had a mono original theatrical release soundtrack, as long as both are included on any DVD/BDs. If done well, and particularly from original stems, the results are usually at worst interesting and at best, surprisingly good. For the record I tend to watch with the original mono by myself, in multi (non-discrete) surround mode, and play the discrete surround mix when viewing with friends and family.

If the mono is included on disc it's often downgraded to a lossy Dolby Digital track but that's acceptable. On Euro releases mono OSTs are often left off, where the US equivalents include them, which is inexcusable. At least then I can go to the extra effort and expense of buying the US BD. I really object, however, when it's not included at all. There are any number of DVDs where this occurs but can you give examples of BDs which do this? I specifically mean instances where the mono track isn't available on any BD worldwide. Naturally I'm not including mono downmixes of the remixed track...

A few that spring immediately to mind, are:
  • Earth vs the Flying Saucers (1956)
  • 20 Million Miles to Earth (1957)
  • The Magnificent Seven (1960)
  • Quatermass and the Pit (1967)
  • King Kong (1976)
  • The Terminator (1984)
Can you supply other examples?

Edit: ok, based on the suggestions so far here's an amended list:
  • Airplane! – Paramount
  • An American Werewolf in London – Universal; now on Arrow's 2019 US and UK BD, and Alive's UHD/BD set
  • And Justice for All – Sony
  • Animal House – Universal
  • The Apartment – MGM/Arrow
  • The Aristocats – Disney
  • The Band Wagon – Warner
  • Barry Lyndon – Warner; now on Criterion's 2017 BD
  • Billy Jack – Image/Shout
  • Blazing Saddles – Warner
  • Body Heat – Warner
  • The Breakfast Club – Warner; now on Criterion's 2018 BD
  • The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) – Sony; article
  • Caddyshack – Warner
  • The Cannonball Run – various
  • Cannonball Run II – Warner; now on Winkler Film's 2014 BD and Umbrella's 2017 BD
  • A Clockwork Orange – Warner
  • Dead and Buried – various
  • Dirty Harry – Warner
  • Earth vs. the Flying Saucers – Sony
  • The Enforcer – Warner
  • Enter the Dragon – Warner
  • The Evil Dead (1981) – Sony
  • The Evil Dead II (1987) – StudioCanal
  • Excalibur – Warner
  • The Exorcist – Warner
  • Fast Times at Ridgemont High – Universal; theatrical mono track lost but director-approved, improved 5.1 mix on Criterion's 2021 US and UK BDs, which also include alternate TV version w/orig. mono
  • Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter – Warner; now on Shout!'s 2020 16-BD Deluxe Collection
  • Friday the 13th: A New Beginning – as above
  • Full Metal Jacket – Warner; still not on BD but is on 2020 UHDs
  • [Halloween (1978) – 2007 BD: DD orig. mono; 2013 35th Ann. BD: DD mono downmix of 7.1 remix; 2014 box set-only 35th Anniversary BD: corrected Dolby TrueHD orig. mono; also on 2018+ UHDs]
  • High Plains Drifter – Universal; now on Kino's 2020 BD
  • Hud – Paramount/Shock
  • Jeremiah Johnson – Warner
  • The Jerk – Universal/various
  • Kramer vs. Kramer – Sony
  • Mad Max (1979) – Warner; now on Kino Lorber's 2020 BD and UHD/BD set; all other BD mono and 2.0 stereo tracks are downmixes of 5.1 remix
  • The Magnificent Seven (1960) – 20th Century Fox
  • Magnum Force – Warner
  • The Manchurian Candidate (1962) – MGM; now on various since 2015
  • The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh – Disney
  • Meet Me in St. Louis – Warner
  • Midnight Cowboy – 20th Century Fox; now on Criterion's 2018 US and UK BDs
  • The Naked Gun – Paramount
  • North by Northwest – Warner
  • The Odd Couple – Paramount
  • One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest – Warner
  • The Outlaw Josey Wales – Warner
  • Quatermass and the Pit – StudioCanal; the US, German and Oz BDs have a mono track but it's strongly rumoured to be a downmix of the 5.1/2.0 stereo remix that first appeared on the 1998 US DVD
  • The Rescuers – Disney
  • Robin Hood (1973) – Disney
  • The Shining (1980) – Warner; now on UHD but still no mono
  • Silver Streak – various
  • Singin' in the Rain – Warner
  • Sixteen Candles – Universal; now on Arrow's 2020 US and UK BD
  • Smokey and the Bandit – Universal; now on UHD but still no mono
  • The Sting – Universal; now on UHD but still no mono
  • Straw Dogs – MGM; now on Criterion's 2017 BD
  • Sudden Impact – Warner
  • The Sword in the Stone – Disney
  • The Terminator (1984) – 20th Century Fox
  • Three Days of the Condor – Paramount/StudioCanal
  • THX 1138 – Warner
  • Trading Places – Paramount
  • The Warriors – Paramount
  • Westworld – Warner
  • Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (1971) – Warner
Are there any more?

NB: There are many more films that, while they have 'original' mono audio on the BD, it's actually a restored or reconstructed track, composited from original elements. One of these is the redone 1998 soundtrack for The Wizard of Oz, mentioned by Eric below. Attempting to list all such examples would be fairly pointless, not least because almost all original audio has some work carried out on it for home video or theatrical re-release. Determining the exact provenance and 'authenticity' of every mono track would be an extremely difficult, not to mention highly subjective, exercise.
The Blu-rays With Missing Elements in the Primary Audio Track thread is more useful in this regard.
 
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KING KONG 1976 did have some release prints with four track magnetic stereo sound. I saw one back in the original release. So I am not sure we can say mono sound was its primary mix.
 

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This is apt to be a very long list indeed. I'll start it off with:

Singin' in the Rain
Meet Me in St. Louis
Dirty Harry
Magnum Force
The Enforcer
Sudden Impact
High Plains Drifter
The Outlaw Josey Wales
The Sword in the Stone
The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
Robin Hood (1973)
North by Northwest
Some Like it Hot
The Apartment
The Manchurian Candidate
The Odd Couple
Midnight Cowboy
The Sting
Kramer Vs. Kramer

And I'm sure there are many, many more that I can't think of right now...
 

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I just thought of three more:

Fast Times at Ridgmont High
Sixteen Candles
The Breakfast Club (even though IMBD claims it was Dolby, I'm pretty sure it was originally mono)
 

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Ah, I suspected this could potentially be a never-ending list... :(

Jim, you're dead right, re KK76. I should've checked first, because I suspected that a mono OST for a major mid-70s action film was a bit of an anomaly. What's more, the BD has a great, dynamic mix and I was a little concerned that new effects might have been added. I guess now that's definitely not the case - phew!

Don't quote me on this, but as far as I can ascertain, it was released in the following permutations:

35mm prints, mono – regular release
35mm prints, four-track stereo – suitably-equipped theatres
70mm blow-up prints, six-track stereo
70mm blow-up prints, six-track stereo with Sensurround outside the US – unverified: see below
 
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There's a lot. A sampling:

The Exorcist
Trading Places
An American Werewolf in London
A Clockwork Orange
Barry Lyndon
The Shining
Full Metal Jacket
Animal House
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
Straw Dogs
THX 1138
Billy Jack
Jeremiah Johnson
Westworld
Enter the Dragon
Blazing Saddles
Three Days of the Condor
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Silver Streak
Smokey and the Bandit
The Rescuers
The Jerk
And Justice for All
Caddyshack
Airplane!
The Cannonball Run
Excalibur
Body Heat
Dead and Buried
The Evil Dead
 

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I know here in Virginia stereo sound was rare for most theatres in the mid-70's. The place I saw KK 76 was a tiny little triplex which was equipped for both four track/35mm and six track/70mm in Churchland, a suburb of Portsmouth. They were the first in VA, as far as I know, to install Dolby Stereo with a 70mm showing of A STAR IS BORN in late 76 and then STAR WARS in the summer of '77. Most of the initial showings of SW in Va were mono. Of course within three years this would change, albeit with Dolby sound systems of decidedly variable quality. The Tidewater area was quicker to convert than the Central Va (Richmond) area. I must admit the KK 76 is not a fave of mine, though I do really like the John Barry score.
 

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Some non-U.S. releases drop the "original mono" track since they add various dubs (German, French, Spanish, etc) to the disc. It's very annoying.

I personally like that the original mono (IF it's really the original track and not some downmix or "newer" mix) is included but at the same time I have admit that I usually watch the film with 5.1 surround.
 

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KK76 was not released in Sensurround although the logo is on a promoposter.
 

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Hmm, interesting... There are numerous secondary sources around citing Kong's overseas Sensurround release, including various film books, though I can't find even a single reference to a primary source.

At this point, I'm willing to lay odds that this info originates from the fact that Universal's mid-70s Kong remake (abandoned when Paramount got theirs under way) was slated for a Sensurround release.

Universal, of course, had an exclusive deal with Cerwin-Vega to develop & market Sensurround, so Paramount's Kong being released in this format anywhere is extremely unlikely.
 

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The Naked Gun- ironic since that was the last major release to be produced with a mono soundtrack.
 

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A cheeky leetle bump. ;)

Is that it? If so, the situation isn't quite as bad as I thought, though it does require hunting down BDs from different territories...
 

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Jesse Skeen said:
The Naked Gun- ironic since that was the last major release to be produced with a mono soundtrack.
I thought Woody Allen kept mixing in mono long after that?

Vincent
 

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If there was a stereo mix for the film, even if it went on general release in mono, then stereo's fine, in fact I'm grateful to hear it in stereo for the first time (all those 50's cinemscope movies). But when they muck a mono track around for 5.1, then please give me the option of the original mono track.
 

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Mark-P said:
The Breakfast Club (even though IMBD claims it was Dolby, I'm pretty sure it was originally mono)
Nope; Dolby.
breakfast_club.jpg
 

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I know here in Virginia stereo sound was rare for most theatres in the mid-70's. The place I saw KK 76 was a tiny little triplex which was equipped for both four track/35mm and six track/70mm in Churchland, a suburb of Portsmouth. They were the first in VA, as far as I know, to install Dolby Stereo with a 70mm showing of A STAR IS BORN in late 76 and then STAR WARS in the summer of '77.
Are you referring to the Plaza? If so, I believe those presentations of A STAR IS BORN and STAR WARS would have been 35mm four-channel Dolby Stereo. Dolby's installation records from that time-frame indicate a Dolby CP50 processor was what was installed there in 1976. The Plaza didn't install a CP100 (the processor at the time that could handle 70mm-six-track Dolby playback) until 1978.
 

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