Ultimately, Mr. Warner and Mr. Disney both got the fair ladies they wanted.
One could look at the one I'd vote for, Zorba the Greek.Kevin EK said:The Academy Awards for that year have to be one of the biggest high profile collision situations I could imagine.
I don't mean that there was any enmity at all.
I mean that you're putting both My Fair Lady and Mary Poppins up against each other in the same year and telling the voters: "Choose!"
Oh, and as a side choice you can look at Dr. Strangelove or Beckett.
And then there's the overriding difference in 50 years regarding how many of cinema's secrets have been either exposed, or the general understanding now re technical issues.haineshisway said:It's funny to me, but I read a lot about how people don't like Marni doing Natalie - but during the film's initial release people loved everything about the film including the dubbing. No one made a thing out of it and no one sat there scratching their head because, in fact, Miss Nixon did a perfect job and it's very believable. It's only in the last couple of decades that suddenly people are saying they don't like the dubbing and not only that, the don't like Miss Wood at all. Well, I saw the film every week for heaven knows how many weeks during its original run at the Chinese and everyone loved Natalie Wood in it. And I will defend her from all who NOW say she is not good. I really believe a lot of that comes from people having read Arthur Laurents and Sondheim - I think before they piped up that I hadn't read anything negative about Miss Wood.
Nope, I just think she's a very limited actress. I've never believed her in ANY movie (except a few moments in Miracle on 34th Street). Of course she's perfectly lovely, and I get the sense (often, not always) that she's trying hard, but she never, ever convinces me. (In this way, her acting reminds me of Madonna's. The guard is always up, though at least early Madonna had some lowdown chutzpah in her acting.)haineshisway said:I really believe a lot of that comes from people having read Arthur Laurents and Sondheim - I think before they piped up that I hadn't read anything negative about Miss Wood.
At least Marni Nixon didn't need AutoTune, unlike some whose names I will not drop so as not to take all the glee out of this thread.Michael1 said:Also, while dubbed singing was commonplace back in the day, and people rarely made an issue of it, the practice has apparently become unacceptable since the CHICAGO film.
It can be done, and you did it for the laserdisc and that was before digital editing.much has advanced since then. I've made poor singers sound fine in the recording studio after they left for the day. Audrey can not hit every high note but some more of her voice could be used as an alternate track for those who want a truer experience (Marni's voice seems wrong coming out of Hepburn's mouth)Robert Harris said:Cannot be done.
With all of this discussion regarding Ms Hepburn's vocal tracks, one point is forgotten.
No one is giving proper respect to those who made the film, and the decisions made half a century ago. These people worked very hard with Ms Hepburn to try to get workable tracks, and it could not be done. Her tracks survive and I've listened to them all.
There are notes that could not be hit.
What anyone would come away with after listening her attempts is not only her obvious professionalism, but her respect for all of those working around her, as she tried again and again to create something usable. What her raw tracks exude, is what a truly lovely and extraordinary person she was, in the face of extremely hard work. Every time she would fail at the perfection she desired, she would laugh and apologize to those around her. Never a prima donna. Just a very hard-working professional.
Full tracks do not exist, as they were never completed.
I would suggest that the question of whether her tracks might have been used, come to an end. Those that could be used, were. Others could not. Mr. Warner, Mr. Cukor, and those around them, had done this before, and came to the correct decision.
Let's not continually question their perspective.
RAH
Oh, nobody remembers Pauline Kael but people are still watching West Side Story. So there's that. Meanwhile, they're restoring her movie and Audrey has something to smile about:haineshisway said:It's funny to me, but I read a lot about how people don't like Marni doing Natalie - but during the film's initial release people loved everything about the film including the dubbing. No one made a thing out of it and no one sat there scratching their head because, in fact, Miss Nixon did a perfect job and it's very believable. It's only in the last couple of decades that suddenly people are saying they don't like the dubbing and not only that, the don't like Miss Wood at all. Well, I saw the film every week for heaven knows how many weeks during its original run at the Chinese and everyone loved Natalie Wood in it. And I will defend her from all who NOW say she is not good. I really believe a lot of that comes from people having read Arthur Laurents and Sondheim - I think before they piped up that I hadn't read anything negative about Miss Wood.
"Natalie Wood is full of luster and charm as the nubile Puerto Rican who is poignantly drawn to him." Crowther, NY Times
"Natalie Wood offers an entrancing performance as the Puerto Rican who falls in love with Richard Beymer, forbidden by strict neighborhood ban against group intermingling, and latter impresses with his singing." Variety (obviously the dubbing of Beymer fooled this critic)
Of course, Pauline Kael hated every second of the film, so there's that. But back then the general consensus with audiences and critics was that Miss Wood was lovely and entrancing in the part - and she bloody well is. In fact, I can think of no other actress of the day who would have been anywhere near as good as her.
Clearly the only movie from that Class of '64 of any real importance was Dr Strangelove. I tried to watch Becket recently (the BBC ran a lovely transfer) and it took me three days to get past the two-hour mark. Then I gave up.Kevin EK said:The Academy Awards for that year have to be one of the biggest high profile collision situations I could imagine.
I don't mean that there was any enmity at all.
I mean that you're putting both My Fair Lady and Mary Poppins up against each other in the same year and telling the voters: "Choose!"
Oh, and as a side choice you can look at Dr. Strangelove or Beckett.
When I see this kind of talent being stacked up against each other in the same category, I usually just yell "Car Crash!" and throw up my hands.