Senior HTF Member
- Apr 19, 2000
It is very rare to find someone who has the same opinion of IV that I do...YAY! Hi Colin!
Don't get me wrong...I've owned every version of it, have all the soundtracks, had the comics and novelizations...but I don't hold it in as high a regard as most people do.
The Final Frontier has good moments, 100% right. And then it has things I want to punch in the face because they're so incredibly stupid. I trace all of those things right back to, you guessed it, Star Trek IV. So I guess I blame the absurd comedy in V on the absurd success of IV, leading to my "less than" opinion of the whales.
"Final Frontier" has some cringe-worthy moments, but I also think it's arguably the most thought-provoking of the "Trek" movies.
I find the discussion of how Kirk "needs" his pain to be pretty compelling, and the take on religion also is stimulating.
I don't actively dislike "Voyage Home" but I think the comedy's clunky and Catherine Hicks annoys the crap out of me in that role.
And I suspect you're right that the clumsy stabs at laughs in "FF" are there because comedy made "VH" a hit.
Honestly, "TMP" is the only "Trek" movie I actively dislike.
"Nemesis" and "Beyond" are too mediocre to really dislike, and as much as I dislike parts of "VH", it's still moderately entertaining.
"Insurrection" is also spotty - and philosophically a mess, IMO. I never thought the "good guys" in that one were worth defending!