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It's All Happening At The Zoo

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Scott Merryfield, Jul 7, 2009.

  1. Cameron Yee

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    Wow!
    (Re butterfly shot. )


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  3. Scott Merryfield

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    I love the butterfly!
    The orangutan shots look like they have a green color cast to them, Cameron. It may be my crappy monitor at work, though.
    I'd love to make another trip to the San Diego Zoo. My wife and I visited there probably 20 years ago on our only trip to San Diego. It was an incredible zoo.
     
  4. Cameron Yee

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    Thanks!

    There is a green bias on the orangutan shots, but your monitor may be overemphasizing it. I'll probably revisit the processing on them as it was one of the last ones in a big batch and my judgment is sometimes questionable at that stage. :)

    I wouldn't have gotten that butterfly shot if one of my friends hadn't told me about it. There was a bush where a lot of monarch cocoons had just hatched and it was just hanging out there. I walked right by it earlier and hadn't noticed. Since the butterfly was perched over my head, I couldn't have framed the shot that way with a standard DSLR. So it was good I had both a DSLR and a P&S compact with me.
     
  5. Cameron Yee

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    I made some adjustments to the white balance. I think the glass I was shooting through was creating some of the color cast.
     
  6. Scott Merryfield

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    That does look better, Cameron. Of course, I'm viewing this from my home calibrated monitor now, so I've made an adjustment, too. :laugh:
    Shooting through glass can create all sorts of issues -- glare, killing contrast, color cast, etc.
     
  7. Cameron Yee

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  8. Scott Merryfield

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    Nice, Cameron. That glass/reflection issue is the same thing I battle with the lion exhibit at the Detroit Zoo. Sometimes there is nothing you can do to eliminate them.
     
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    What's wrong, Scott? Have you never heard of hopping over the barricade? :D
    Even with the glass/reflection, nice shot! Oh, and I'm wondering, if you know you're going to a place with a lot of glass, like a zoo or aquarium, would a polarizing filter help?
     
  10. Cameron Yee

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    A polarizer would definitely have helped I think. Strangely enough, I haven't ever made the investment in one (at least for the 77mm filter size).
     
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    Scott, is there a circular polarizing filter you would recommend?
     
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    I have a Hoya and have been happy.
     
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    There seems to be quite a range of prices on the Hoyas. Which model did you get?
     
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  15. Scott Merryfield

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    A polarizer will help, but not always eliminate the reflections. This shot was with a CPL, and you can still see some reflections:
    [​IMG]
    I have this B+W polarizer. It's not cheap, but is an excellent filter. I also own a less expensive Hoya multi-coating CPL filter (can't remember which model). While the Hoyas are decent optically, they are a pain in the rear to clean due to whatever they use for their coating. They smear and streak like crazy.
     
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    Excellent point, Scott.
    What you're showing is the dreaded (by me) rainbow-effect, often associated with CPl filters!

    That's why I never have one "on" by default, just when I think it can make a real difference I screw a CPl on.
    Often then, I either make one or two shots without it as well, or decide not to bother with it at all.


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  17. Scott Merryfield

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    Cees, actually in my example the reddish reflection was from a kid wearing a red shirt. I believe all the other reflections were of people, too, but there could be some rainbow effect. The CPL filter just wouldn't eliminate all the reflections -- it only reduced them.
    I do not use a CPL "by default", either, but only in situations where it will either (1) cut down on reflections or glare, or (2) help enhance some of the colors, such as creating a deeper blue sky or greener foliage. A CPL helps a lot with reflections around water. I think of it as putting sunglasses on my camera. :)
    The example photo was actually the first time I'd used a CPL filter on my 100-400L lens, as this lens is notorious for not handling filters well. Besides, I use the lens primarily for wildlife, so really do not need a CPL filter under normal circumstances. It was an act of desperation to try to get rid of the reflections of the patrons in the glass.
     
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    Scott,

    My post certainly wasn't aimed at criticizing your picture (or the use of the filter in that specific case). If it looked that way, I apologize.
    (And I can see now that the reddish part of the reflection may have been something else than I thought.)

    I just wanted to underwrite your remark that a CPl-filter will not always remove all reflections, and I believed your photo showed another aspect, the rainbow, that can make the use of it problematic.
    Like you, I own one or two CPl-filters, but I'm not terribly fond of them.


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    Following on the lion theme, here is one from behind glass:
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    No need to apologize, Cees. I didn't take your comments as criticism. I was just pointing out where the reflections came from. And even if you, or anyone else, offered constructive criticism on any shots I post, I wouldn't be offended. After all, if I didn't want feedback or a discussion on the photos, I wouldn't post them. :)
    Thanks for contributing, Joe. Nice shot... and no reflections in the glass, either. ;)
     

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