Josh Dial
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Interesting discussion, Colin and Jerry. Reminds me of The Death of the Author: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_the_Author
I can best say that EEAAO is very clearly a multi-verse movie to me. The multi-verse is a strange and wonderful place. It has Raccacoonies and Hot Dog Fingers.I'm certainly not claiming/endorsing the theory I mentioned, but it seemed possible as I watched.
Two reasons I felt that way:
1. Evelyn only accesses the multiverse at her lowest point. Everything's going wrong in her life - it's a coincidence that she suddenly gains understanding of all these different possibilities right then?
2. "Raccacoony"! In "our world", Evelyn goofily believes "Ratatouille" is called "Raccacoony" and the main character is a raccoon, not a rat. There's supposed to be another world where the events of "Raccacoony" actually happened?
Now maybe the movie posits that there are infinite universes so basically all possibilities are real.
Still seems strange to me that something as silly as Evelyn's misinterpretation of "Ratatouille" would actually exist.
Anyway, I might be wholly wrong. Just saw some potential indicators, that's all!
Yes, on the old imdb messageboards, there was a whole cottage industry of folks who would come up with theories about just any offbeat movie that such and such a character was "dead" all along - or, didn't exist at all.I suppose all movies or most could be taken that way, but I didn’t see any evidence or context clues to suggest that would be the case. Given the absurdist nature of the filmmakers’ prior work, I think their intention is for us to take everything at face value.
The Sixth Sense has a lot to answer for...Yes, on the old imdb messageboards, there was a whole cottage industry of folks who would come up with theories about just any offbeat movie that such and such a character was "dead" all along - or, didn't exist at all.
The sheer amount of cinematic creativity packed into 2 hours and 20 minutes cannot be overstated, creativity unbound by standards of decency and good taste, tone, and internal consistency. Nearly every second threw something new at the audience.Utterly inventive.
One of the most common comments I heard coming out of my showing was that it felt a lot longer than it was. I think this is due to the way the movie thwarts our expectations of story and structure. Part I is basically feature-length in and of itself, Part II is probably half that, and Part III is only a couple minutes long.They also could have trimmed 15 minutes from the run time.
I agree that the film takes great pains to be accessible; there is plenty of exposition to tell you what's going on Evelyn's experience evolves. At the same time, I can definitely see why a casual viewer would find the sheer excess of the film and the wild extremes that it touches upon overwhelming.I enjoyed the film. However, there’s nothing about it that I found groundbreaking or challenging. The multiverse concept isn’t new, and is having a bit of a moment in pop culture (with Star Trek, Marvel and other big properties exploring similar themes).
I personally felt that it worked really well on that personal level: Jobu Tupaki is a villain who has laid waste to countless universes only because she is a scared young woman who, faced with circumstances and a perspective beyond human capability, wants the familiar comfort of her mother. At the same time, the experience forced upon Evelyn a sort of immense empathy which allowed her to better appreciate those around her -- even the IRS agent who was making her life hell -- and to bridge the schism of culture and personal prejudices that had come between her and her daughter. I found myself caring about all of those relationships.Scraping away all of the noise, EVERYTHING actually has a very basic premise which could have resulted in some poignancy. A Chinese-American couple, Evelyn (Michelle Yeoh) and Waymond (Ke Huy Quan), are having marital issues which extend to communicating with their daughter Joy (Stephanie Hsu). Adding to the discord are a crusty IRS Agent (an almost unrecognizable Jamie Lee Curtis) who has the family business under audit, and Evelyn's father Gong (James Hong; a fine presence here) -- who she also has parental issues with.
To me it was less repetition than a kind of poetry, with each iteration of each concept rhyming with those before them, while making new points or illuminating new facets of those concepts.Also noteworthy is that any faintly clever notion will be repeated and repeated -- so it's safe to take refreshment breaks.
A straight family drama about a woman who owns a laundromat who is disappointed with her life, frustrated with her unmanly husband, and estranged from both her judgmental father and lesbian daughter could have been made with this cast, and it could have even been a really great movie. But it wouldn't be this movie. The everything plus the kitchen sink ethos is likely the driving force that got this movie made in the first place.Indeed, one could eliminate almost the entirety of the almost two hour SFX sideshow and arrive at the very same life lesson with only a couple of 'verses' - or, even just one.
It was supposed to be completely ridiculous. The idea being that in a truly infinite multiverse, there would even be a universe where the misremembered plot of a Pixar movie is the reality. Would an expensive visual effect have sold that concept any better than what we got? Personally, I don't think so.I guess, because it was so stupid I. actually forgot the raccoon! This, to me was another example of poor execution. We had a very obvious stuffed animal, not a la “Guardians of the Galaxy”.
Agreed on all points.If you wish there were more old-school, campy kung-fu movies like Sammo Hung used to make, this is it.
If you miss the mid-budget scifi movies of the late ‘90s early ’00s before Marvel took over the world, this is it.
If you fundamentally want a movie that makes you *feel” through earned emotions and unexpected experiences, this is it.
It's interesting that you make that comparison, because the family stories being told are remarkably similar and yet I really connected with this movie emotionally, whereas Turning Red left me completely cold.It’s curious how Everything Everywhere All At Once and Turning Red came out the same year. Kinda the same core idea, but wildly different executions and perspectives.
Amen.And I enjoyed watching the actors having a ball with the the material, cinematic joy is hard to find, so embrace it when the universe(s) manifests it into existence.
They're saying it is what it is, and doesn't require an outside explanation to be deciphered.That kinda seems like a copout. They're saying it really happened or it didn't - you figure it out?
Finally saw this last night at a small local theater in the Adirondacks. I was captivated the entire time.
... At the same time, the experience forced upon Evelyn a sort of immense empathy which allowed her to better appreciate those around her -- even the IRS agent who was making her life hell -- and to bridge the schism of culture and personal prejudices that had come between her and her daughter. I found myself caring about all of those relationships.
A straight family drama about a woman who owns a laundromat who is disappointed with her life, frustrated with her unmanly husband, and estranged from both her judgmental father and lesbian daughter could have been made with this cast, and it could have even been a really great movie. But it wouldn't be this movie. The everything plus the kitchen sink ethos is likely the driving force that got this movie made in the first place.
Because art is subjective.How can there be a serious discussion of this dreck?
So people are nuts because they don't share your POV about this movie. Got it!Sorry, but I still feel “Is everyone nuts?”. How can there be a serious discussion of this dreck? It was, as I said earlier, one of worst experiences in a movie theatre I have ever had. It even beats the time a person getting in the seat behind me spilled his entire large heavily buttered popcorn over my shirt ruining it with butter stains!
Sorry, but I still feel “Is everyone nuts?”. How can there be a serious discussion of this dreck? It was, as I said earlier, one of worst experiences in a movie theatre I have ever had. It even beats the time a person getting in the seat behind me spilled his entire large heavily buttered popcorn over my shirt ruining it with butter stains!
I loved the hot dogs and especially the rocks. It was the dildos that I found amateurishly stupid. They didn't fit in with the rest of the film.Some of the ideas are embarrassingly stupid (hot dogs!?) and others are very amateurish (rocks?!).