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Annie- when will the corrected version be released?

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by ScottR, Mar 17, 2002.

  1. ScottR

    ScottR Cinematographer

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    This is the 20th Anniversary year of "Annie"...was wondering if anyone heard if Columbia would be re-releasing this title, or at the very least correcting the framing on the version out now.
     
  2. GlennH

    GlennH Cinematographer

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    I've posted about this issue a few times before. It's now been over a year since the current version was noted as being misframed. The word after that was that Columbia would be addressing it "soon." Something tells me they have just quietly decided to ignore it.
    Here is the dvdfile review where the problems are identified:
    http://www.dvdfile.com/software/revi...o_2/annie.html
    With Columbia's recent foolishness we may just get a new Super Deluxe version instead, but only in 4:3 pan-n-scan. [​IMG]
     
  3. Greg_M

    Greg_M Screenwriter

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    Someone at Columbia Home Video said the problem was fixed last September, but he didn't know how to identify the new disc from the old one. Since the title hasn't been restocked at many outlets, I would guess the old version is still on the shelves.
     
  4. Patrick McCart

    Patrick McCart Lead Actor

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    Perhaps this is a Super-35 film?

    That's the only way I can see how the picture could be screwed up so badly.
     
  5. Julian Lalor

    Julian Lalor Supporting Actor

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    Annie is filmed in Panavision. It was made prior to the widespread use of Super 35.
     
  6. MatthewA

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    This being the silver (25th) anniversary of the original play, why can't C/TS just redo the whole thing as an SE?
     
  7. DaViD Boulet

    DaViD Boulet Lead Actor

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    Well,

    if there is indeed a new corrected version then it should work like it did with Holy Grail...we should be able to exchange our old copy for the new one.

    Anyone have any more info?
     
  8. Enrique B Chamorro

    Enrique B Chamorro Supporting Actor

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    If a new version was made, then the two DVD's would

    most likey have different VOB file dates.

    I will check the date of the VOB files when I get

    home and post them, then others can check thier discs.

    VOB files dated 10/24/2000

    Any info on an updated disc with different VOB files dated.
     
  9. John Berggren

    John Berggren Producer

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    At this point if Columbia decides to rerelease this title, I'm sure it'll be completely MARred. They don't seem to care about OAR in general right now, why do you think they'd care about this misframing?
     
  10. Dave Miller

    Dave Miller Supporting Actor

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    My wife just picked this up last week. If there is a new disc, what should I look for to determine if this is it?

    Peace,

    DM
     
  11. DaViD Boulet

    DaViD Boulet Lead Actor

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    Dave,

    In the "let's go to the movies" musical number, Annie and Grace are doing some dancing routines and then they sit side by side on the makeup stool. As they're singing they push the stool with their feet so it moves across the floor. In the "bad" version, there's a really weird electronic looking pan that happens around this point...sortof like a hand-held cam corder zooming in or something, and for a moment the tops of their heads get cut off the frame!

    This does not happen on the laserdisc issued several years back.

    Would ya check your copy and see if these strange oddities happen on your disc?

    thanks!!!
     
  12. DaViD Boulet

    DaViD Boulet Lead Actor

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    Just sent this email to:
    [email protected]
    I'll let you guys know what response I get.
    Message:
     
  13. Dave Miller

    Dave Miller Supporting Actor

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    Ok Dave,

    I checked my copy of Annie that my wife bought a couple of weeks ago and it has none of the problems yours does. I checked the scene "Let's Go To The Movies" and there was no weird pan, no zooming, no nothing. The scene looked great and was framed properly. I watched that scene in both Widescreen and Full Screen versions and there was none of what you were referring to. The number on the spine

    of the DVD case is 05286 and there are actually two numbers on the inner ring of the disc and they are 025400A1 & 025400B1.

    Peace,

    DM
     
  14. Enrique B Chamorro

    Enrique B Chamorro Supporting Actor

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    Dave, can you check the date of the VOB files?

    Thanks,

    EBC
     
  15. Dave Miller

    Dave Miller Supporting Actor

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    EBC - I will be happy too, but you'll have to tell me what and where the VOB files are.

    Peace,

    DM
     
  16. Enrique B Chamorro

    Enrique B Chamorro Supporting Actor

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    Thanks Dave,

    You need a DVD drive in a computer or laptop.

    After you put in the DVD in the drive,

    don't play the movie, open your Windows Explorer

    and check the video folder on the DVD drive and

    you will see a list of files with a VOB extension.

    The VOB files are the actual MPEG data files that store

    the movie data. Many times, when a change in made and

    a disc is repressed, you can notice a change in the

    date of the VOB data files.

    Examples;

    Criterion's Magic Flute (audio problem)

    Disc 1 old VOB files 03/31/1998

    Disc 1 new VOB files 07/18/2001

    Disney's Dinosaur CE (subtitle problems, etc.)

    Disc 1 old VOB files 12/11/2000

    Disc 1 new VOB files 11/06/2001

    CTHE's Holy Grail (subtitle problems)

    Disc 1 old VOB files 08/30/2001

    Disc 1 new VOB files 09/18/2001

    Good luck, and thanks for the help!
     
  17. Dave Miller

    Dave Miller Supporting Actor

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    EBC - the date for the VOB files on my new copy of Annie is 1/12/2001

    Peace,

    DM
     
  18. Enrique B Chamorro

    Enrique B Chamorro Supporting Actor

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    Thank you very much!

    The VOB file dates is the first concrete proof of a change.

    My old Annie DVD has the same numbers on the inner ring

    025400A1 & 025400B1, so the only way to tell is by the

    VOB files. I will write Columbia and see if the exchange.

    Thanks again.

    Enrique
     
  19. DaViD Boulet

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    I wrote to Columbia but haven't receieved a response. Please let me know if you get any sort of answer from them on an exchange and how to go about it.

    thanks!
     
  20. GlennH

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    I'm also actively following this thread to see what Columbia responds to you guys, so please keep updating.

    Also, if anybody happens to get the new disc and also has access to the old one (different VOB file dates) it would be nice if they could specifically check some of the troublesome scenes to verify for sure that they are corrected. Maybe some kind soul will post some screenshot comparisons. See the DVDFile review (link above) for some examples scenes.
     

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