Plot problem in Toy Story 2 (SPOILERS!)

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Richard Kim, Nov 3, 2001.

  1. Richard Kim

    Richard Kim Producer

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2001
    Messages:
    4,385
    Likes Received:
    0
    After watching Monsters Inc. I would have to agree that its biggest weakness is its plot. I then thought about Toy Story 2 and the ending in which the toys make it back safely back to Andy's room, which I have problems with.
    Firstly, at the yard sale, Andy's mom puts Woody in the cash box after which Al steals him. Now she definitely would have found out that Woody was missing when she opened the box to count her earnings. But then we see her with Andy fixing Woody's arm, as if nothing ever happened.
    Second, what about Jessie and Bullseye? Andy thinks that his mom bought him those toys, but she probably doesn't know anything about them. Imagine the following excahnge:
    Andy: Thanks for the new toys, Mom!
    Mom: I didn't buy you any toys.
    Andy: What the $^#%$?
    Don't get me wrong, I still love TS2, it's just that I've noticed these inconsistanceies, while nobody else has mentioned them. Anyone else bothered by it?
     
  2. Scott Weinberg

    Scott Weinberg Lead Actor

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2000
    Messages:
    7,477
    Likes Received:
    0
  3. Edwin Pereyra

    Edwin Pereyra Producer

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 1998
    Messages:
    3,500
    Likes Received:
    0
    The so called "weakness" in the plot you mentioned didn't bother me at all. If one can accept the toys being able to drive to and back from the airport, the plot points you mentioned are not that big of a deal.
    quote: Firstly, at the yard sale, Andy's mom puts Woody in the cash box after which Al steals him. Now she definitely would have found out that Woody was missing when she opened the box to count her earnings. But then we see her with Andy fixing Woody's arm, as if nothing ever happened.[/quote]
    She was surprised to see Woody at the yard sale to begin with yet you didn't mention that as a weakness in the plot as she never picked him up from the shelf in Andy's room. Surely, she would have remembered doing so if she did. As to whether she would have found out about Woody missing from her cash box, by the time she counted her earnings from the garage sale, she would have forgotten all about Woody even being at the yard sale to begin with.
    As to Jessie and Bullseye, it's one of those endings that is open to interpretation rather than a plot weakness. [​IMG] Since the exchange between Andy and his Mom never took place, we'll never find out what actually happened. Do we?
    Maybe they'll make a Toy Story 3 to clear this all up. Stay tuned. [​IMG]
    ~Edwin
    [Edited last by Edwin Pereyra on November 04, 2001 at 01:33 AM]
     
  4. Calvin Cullen

    Calvin Cullen Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2001
    Messages:
    84
    Likes Received:
    0
     
  5. John Miles

    John Miles Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2000
    Messages:
    236
    Likes Received:
    0
    ROFL! [​IMG] Chomsky himself couldn't have said it better.
     
  6. Inspector Hammer!

    Inspector Hammer! Executive Producer

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 1999
    Messages:
    11,061
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    Real Name:
    John Williamson
    Oh, come on guy's it's all in good fun! But I will say this, Calvin is right about one thing, I think their must be something really wrong with Andy to still be playing with those types of toys at his age in that film, what was he, like, 9 or 10!? [​IMG]
    ------------------
    God bless the USA and the men and women of our military and their families!
     
  7. DaveF

    DaveF Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2001
    Messages:
    17,637
    Likes Received:
    1,437
    Location:
    One Loudoun, Ashburn, VA
    Real Name:
    David Fischer
    These aren't plot problems, to me. A busy, single mother, raising two kids, dealing with a garage sale (and the loons that show up at such things [​IMG] ) would likely not even notice the missing toy until later, and then assume she had already put it away or some such. Think back to Home Alone and the family forgetting Culkin's character; it's funny because it could happen.
    Also, in the DVD commentary, the the film-makers talk about the ending:
    - how in the world did the toys drive the airporet luggage tram back to the home, with no one noticing?
    - how is Al back doing a live commercial, the day after he was flying to Japan?
    - How did the Barbie dolls from the Toy Barn get there?
    They don't know, and don't care. It's a movie, and makes for fun story telling. [​IMG]
     
  8. Morgan Jolley

    Morgan Jolley Lead Actor

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2000
    Messages:
    8,654
    Likes Received:
    107
    I think Toy Story 1 and 2 were kinda like K-PAX: its not getting it that counts, its what you get from it. Only problem is, I got nothing from TS1 or 2.
     
  9. Derek Miner

    Derek Miner Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 1999
    Messages:
    1,663
    Likes Received:
    0
     
  10. DonMac

    DonMac Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2000
    Messages:
    221
    Likes Received:
    0
    The plot flaw that I noticed in Toy Story 2 was Woody was said to be a longtime family toy, apparently passed from father to son, yet he seemed to think Andy was the only owner he ever had. And, when Jessie told her story of being neglected, Woody should have remembered being neglected too, as he most likely spent quite a few years stuffed in the closet between when his original owner (Andy's father presumably) outgrew him and when he was eventually passed down to Andy. Yet Woody was totally unaware that he would be outgrown one day.
    But, although this lapse in logic is definitely a plot flaw, it's still a great movie and, IMO, one of the few sequels that clearly surpasses the original.
    ------------------
    "It is the customary fate of new truths to begin as heresies and to end as superstitions." - T. H. Huxley
     
  11. Jesse Skeen

    Jesse Skeen Producer

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 1999
    Messages:
    4,289
    Likes Received:
    202
    The BIG problem I had with this movie right away was what was Andy doing playing with Woody if he was really a rare collector's item, and for that matter why would they still be making bedsheets and stuff with Woody's picture on them if he'd been discontinued a long time ago? That's even before taking into account the point that if Woody is an old toy he should remember his previous 'owner'.
    They never explain what happened to the dad either, did he run off after the baby was born? They still seemed to have enough money without him, anyway, though they don't explain what mom did for a living either.
    I always think of laserdisc as Woody, and DVD as Buzz Lightyear [​IMG]
     
  12. Todd Hochard

    Todd Hochard Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 1999
    Messages:
    2,312
    Likes Received:
    0
    I'm with the Commie on this one. [​IMG]
    Todd
     
  13. Brian_J

    Brian_J Second Unit

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2001
    Messages:
    418
    Likes Received:
    0
    Calvin, you need a few winks and smileys in your post.
    Brian
    ------------------
    Zed's Dead Baby...
     
  14. Keith Mickunas

    Keith Mickunas Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 1998
    Messages:
    2,041
    Likes Received:
    0
    Clearly when Andy took posession of Woody he took him into town and has his memory wiped. That toy belongs to him now, and nothing more needs to be said on the subject.
    Andy's mom also never repaired Woody. You'd think she'd remember to fix her son's favorite toy.
    Of course, it is just a cartoon. Pretty soon you all will be questioning why the Road Runner could go through tunnels painted on the sides of mountains, but Wile never could. And that would just be sad.
     
  15. Bjorn Olav Nyberg

    Bjorn Olav Nyberg Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 1999
    Messages:
    945
    Likes Received:
    0
    I watched Toy story 1 yesterday. And the thing that dawned on me, was that Buzz never tried to move when Andy was in sight, even though he did not believe he was a toy. It is quite clear that the toys can move in front of people if they want to, so why doesn't Buzz do it? Sub-concsiousness?
    Of course, he doesn't do it in front of anybody until Woody says they have got to break a few rules to teach Sid a lesson and get out, so at least I needed about 10 viewings to catch this...
    ------------------
    Click here if you want to see Looney Tunes on DVD!
    "You're 10 seconds away from the most embarrassing moment of your life!"
    Click here to admit you want to see Ford Fairlane on DVD!
    DVD List LD List
     
  16. Josh LeClair

    Josh LeClair Agent

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2001
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    0
    The real plot problem with TS 1 and 2 was the fact that the toys frickin TALKED. When the heck did this start happening? Do other people's toys talk to them? Is this normal? Did my toys just not like me???
    ARGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
     
  17. Bjorn Olav Nyberg

    Bjorn Olav Nyberg Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 1999
    Messages:
    945
    Likes Received:
    0

Share This Page