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Discussion in 'Movies' started by Jason Whyte, Dec 26, 2003.
Yes, Dana, great job! Your efforts are appreciated. ~Edwin
1. American Splendor (****) 2. Big Fish (****) 3. Whale Rider (****) 4. Spellbound (***1/2) 5. Kill Bill I (***1/2) 6. Return of the King (***1/2) 7. The Station Agent (***) 8. Lost in Translation (***) 9. Mystic River (***) 10. 21 Grams (***)
Great job, Dana -- very interesting! (I've actually seen more 2003 films if I include those seen on DVD; however, my 2003 list only includes those seen theatrically. I DID, however, include "Spider" in my Top 10, the only film viewed on DVD in my Top 10. )
You know me Dana, I love a good list, and I love it even more when some other dumb SOB is doing the work. Last Samurai is another Gladiator for me, its doing much better with other people than me, though TLS is doing worse than Glad. both with myself and everyone else. I thought TLS was mediocre summer popcorn. Kill Bill was the other film that I thought was more style than substance. There it sits at #2 feeling a little bit like a film that would dominate a male film-geek centric HTF poll, yet we do have a great mix of film lovers involved so I'm actually reluctant to make such an assumption...even if it would explain why I'm not so alone with the 2 Matrix films making the HTF top 30 just like they did my list. I'll put it down as good taste and that I just didn't get Kill Bill rather than that its a bunch of film fanboys around here. I'm really pleased to see X2 where its at. I thought it was an outstanding action/adventure film whose plot contained a lot more depth than would normally be required without forgetting that the action sequences were where its bread was going to be buttered.
Seth, You talkin' to me? Well, I'm the only here. Who do you think you're talkin' to? I agree with you on Kill Bill's status on the list (I put it much lower on my list than most here did), but I do think those who rate it high really DO feel it's worthy of that rating, and not just putting it there because they're Tarantino groupies or trying to make a statement on art. My friend Dave thinks KB was the best film of the year ("If it weren't for Return of the King, that is," he then says as a caveat ) I also agree about X2. I can also say the same about Finding Nemo and Pirates of the Caribbean (though I'm really hoping for PotC to grab like #8 or so and knock out Irreversible, another film like KB that I just couldn't rate highly). I'm hoping that Whale Rider goes up in the list before it's all over -- I'd like to see that one get within the top 15 (I think it's a beautiful gem, as much as those who feel Lost in Translation is...and I think Keisha deserves the Oscar ("If it weren't for Charlize Theron," I sez as a caveat ) Elizabeth, please DO add your DVD-viewed films to your 2003 Film List (if they're 2003 releases, of course); just single them out in a different section or something, and I'll add them to your list in my database and your numbers will increase by your name (which will help a little on the FWT column for those films you ranked in your top 10). Everyone else, thanks again for the compliments; you're making me blush :b Another update will come later this week. Stay tuned...
Oh, by the way... Here's the link to last year's Top 30 of our Top 10; the last post I made was in March, right around the Oscars. Sure is fun to make comparisons to last year. Looks like there's a much greater consensus on this year's #1 than last year. Interesting to see the parallels between the 2 years (and the differences). Top 30 of Our Top 10 of 2002
Well, to a certain extent, I don't know as there's anything wrong with being style over substance. Certainly, I wouldn't want nothing but that, but the visuals, choreography, use of music, etc., are all legitimate filmmaking achievements just as impressive as making you identify with the characters. For a movie like Kill Bill, style is substance, and that's fine. To a certain extent, it's tough to avoid discriminating by genre. Kill Bill is a fight movie, but it's a masterpiece of one. Similarly, I kept finding myself questioning how high I was ranking Intolerable Cruelty (I was just stubborn about Finding Nemo) until I sat down and told myself, self, you did not have two more enjoyable hours in a movie theater all year, and quite frankly, comedies have disappointed you much more often than dramas. It's like I have to consciously remind myself that these other genres aren't less important, difficult, or capable of greatness.
I agree and thought that when writing it. Perhaps I could ammend that to say a lack of substance OF style. Just style for style's sake rather than for an intended affect, and not neccessarily a narrative one. You can make mood films, including hip-moods, moods of overt violence, etc. To some degree Pulp did this of course. But Kill Bill, IMO only I realize, simply had no focused vision of mood or style. It didn't feel like the style existed for any consistent reason at all. And that was why I was strongly let down by QTs effort, though at times the film was just what I hoped for. As I said in my top 10 list post, the film felt like QT referencing himself (and I've heard others say that). So I think you and I just disagree on the effectiveness of his use of style in KB, not that using style is inherently wrong. I'm totally with you on the idea that it is about how you feel for the 90-180 minutes in the theater. It doesn't matter WHICH emotion you feel, just that the film can engage you strongly. Comedies make you laugh a lot, thrillers scare the shit out of you, dramas send you into tears or introspection, and kung-fu revenge flicks keep you wanting to see the next fight. QT at times made me think "boring, you are going too long with this" or "gee, is this a reference of a reference". However, I would agree whole-heartedly that the film showed a great deal of creative ambition in trying to be something interesting to watch, reference or otherwise.
Whoops, forgot to put it on my 2003 Film List...I saw it the first few days of January and forgot to notch it in there...should be fixed now. Jason
I've updated my list to include Lost in Translation (finally).
Finally saw Spellbound. Great doc, but not great enough to bump May (my #10 film). Next up, Lost in Translation later tonight.
Here's my Top 10. I didn't exlude anything based on geographic "wide release" dates, but I did see these between 1/1/03 to 12/31/03, all theatrically except Camel(s). 01. Since Otar Left (Julie Bertucelli) 02. Goodbye Dragon Inn (Tsai Ming-Liang) 03. Elephant (Gus Van Sant) 04. Life on the Tracks (Riles) (Ditsi Carolino) 05. Happy Here and Now (Michael Almereyda) 06. Pornography (Jan Jacob Kolski) 07. Pretend (Julie Talen) 08. Raising Victor Vargas (Peter Sollett) 09. Camel(s) (Park Ki-young) 10. Good Morning, Night (Marco Bellocchio)
I've seen Lost in Translation and put it in second place after The Return of the King. I've updated my list. What a wonderful movie! After seeing it, I felt like something is missing in my life (read: Scarlett Johanssen)
1. Finding Nemo (Say what you want, it was a brilliant film and surprised me by how excellent it was! ) **** 2. Kill Bill Vol I **** 3. Pirates Of The Caribbean **** 4. Lost In Translation *** 1/2 5. American Splendor *** 1/2 6. Big Fish *** 1/2 7. Seabiscuit *** 1/2 8. 28 Days Later *** 1/2 9. Lord Of The Rings: ROTK *** 1/2 10. 21 Grams *** DISHONOURABLE MENTION: Bad Boys II
1 - X-Men 2 2 - Lord of the Rings : Return of the King 3 - Matrix : Revolutions 4 - The Last Samurai 5 - Kill Bill : Volume 1 6 - Peter Pan 7 - Pirates of the Caribbean 8 - Terminator 3 : Rise of the Machines 9 - Matrix : Reloaded 10 - Phone Booth
Updated my top ten to include The Fog of War bumping out Bend It Like Beckham. Rob
Updated my Top Ten to include Lost in Translation. ...finally! What a fantastic film. 21 Grams got the bump.
Added American Splendor to my top 10 and did a bit of shuffling after reviewing my list. Main features left to see - 21 Grams, In America Need to also see most of the docs and foreign films.
Forgot to mention, I also caught The Last Samurai but didn't like it enough to put it on my top ten. Tomorrow: Big Fish Saturday: Monster Sunday: In America ...hopefully.