Good biwire cables

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  1. ericanthonE

    ericanthonE Stunt Coordinator

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    Hello, what are some good bi-wire cables(i looked at the monster cable M-series(and you will all probably laugh at me cause of my ineptitude).

    I was going to bi-wire my:
    LEFT MAIN || CENTER || RIGHT MAIN

    I was going to LFE the LEFT || RIGHT also

    any suggestions? Thanks

    or should i tri-wire?
     
  2. Ernest Yee

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    Well, you can look into Canare Starquad 4S11 cable. That's broadcast quality.
     
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    where would i buy that at? how much is it. I would not want it to be more than 8 feet long i don't think for the cable length, for the room will not be huge.

    Thanks
     
  4. Gabriel_Lam

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    I've just picked up a little of this because it's reasonably cheap ($1.40 per foot):

    Twisted 12AWG bi-wire cable

    Also picked up some cheap $3.xx per pair screw type bananas. Here's what it looks like so far. I haven't had a chance to pick up some heatshrink tubing yet, so please excuse the general ugliness:

    [​IMG]

    I'll probably replace it with some locking bananas.
     
  5. ericanthonE

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    heatshrink tubing. What exactly is the purpose of that. i know nothing about wiring really at all. Just that it can make a difference in the sound i guess. Could you explain to me what makes wire cost 100 times the cost of other wire, when it is all copper? because to me it is like feeling my way around a dark room. Thanks

    Eric

    oh and your wire is nice looking, at least i think so and i'm pretty picky
     
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    The arrows point to the heatshrink tubing:

    [​IMG]

    It's basically to make the wire look cleaner, neater. I guess as a side benefit, it helps the wire keep together (so that the jacket does not peel or fray). It's mainly for looks though.

    As to why some wire costs 100x as much, well, I'll let someone else tackle that. [​IMG]
     
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    okay, so those pictures of the same wire that you recommended to me after it was updated? well anyway, the wire that you had the last picture of(pointing toward the heatshrink tubing). did you make that wire? that would be really good for me. could you explain for say(you are talking to someone who doesn't know what they are talking about) BUT NOT ME. How would you explain to that simple minded person how to get all of the pieces/where to get them, and how to put them all together

    okay, okay, so it's me who needs help

    I appreciate it greatly

    Thanks,
    ~Eric
     
  8. Mark C.

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    If you're overwhelmed by do=it-yourself, there's always DH Labs. Check out their web site. The T-14 biwires are very good.
     
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    hi, the EC Bi-Wire Speaker Cable at 6 foot lenght at like 89.00. I like that, is that really good? Could i use that for my center as well?
     
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    and i can get them in spade! Because i wanted spade but monster did not have them until you went into the M series, plus you have to get 10 feet lenght with the monster, and that is just too long. 6 feet is percet.

    If there are any other places that sell cable they make similiar in quality to the EC, please let me know. I will probably just get these though.

    Thanks a TON

    Eric
     
  12. Lam Nguyen

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    The 4S11 cable is a very good cable, they can be use for center. EC offer very good service when I bought IC from them. Most of the custom cable builder provide pretty good service from what I've read on this forum.
     
  13. Gabriel_Lam

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    Here's where I got my 4S11 (14awg based, when twisted together become 11awg) cable from (the 2nd picture):

    http://www.clearcables.com/products.php?id=1

    It comes with nice rhodium over silver plated copper spades or banana plugs.

    If you want to make them yourself, it's more difficult with spades, because very few are screw on, most are crimp or solder, so you need tools.

    If you want to make them yourself (and want them to look pretty) with banana plugs, you just need the speaker wire, plugs, heatshrink tubing, and techflex (the decorative mesh, comes in many colors, even chrome). It's very cheap to do.
     
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    "it's very cheap to do"


    isn't that just about something. Maybe i should sell cables for a living?

    Thanks guys.

    ~Eric
     
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    For instance:

    Canare starquad: 69 cents per foot
    Techflex: $10.33 for a 20 foot long sleeve
    Heatshrink tubing: um, cheap. A few bucks

    The banana plugs I have in my first picture were just over $3 for a pair. You can buy far FAR better locking banana plugs for $2.75 each:

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    But you have to place a price tag on your labor.
     
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    bettercables were recommended to me? they seem very nice(yet again expensive). Does OC cables use the starquad?

    Thanks again..

    Eric
     
  17. Gabriel_Lam

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    BetterCables makes some very very nice cables. I use their DVI cable and their component cable.

    Who is OC?
     
  18. ericanthonE

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    Gabriel

    haha, i'm sorry, i mean ec(element cable). I like these a lot!
     
  19. Robert_Dufresne

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    Eric

    Bi-wiring is a myth, if your cable has the proper caliber bi-wiring wont make any difference. Think about it, with one cable, the 2 binding posts are linked together by a jumper. When you bi-wire, the 2 binding posts are linked together at your amp. If your speaker cable is big enough, there is no difference. Most people cant hear a difference either . Save your money.

    Some wire cost 100x more because some people are willing to pay for them, Thats the only reason.

    Robert
     
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    i cannot believe how nice and helpful everyone is on here! Thank you, it is much appreciated!
     

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