Buffy "Once more ..." pitch observations..

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  1. Dave Mack

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    Hey Y'all,

    Finally got my new Region Free JVC and Buffy Season 6. After reading all the threads re: PAL speedup and the chipmunk effect, (and yes, I noticed it...) I whipped out my gtr. and A/B'd the CD soundtrack vs. the DVD. It's slightly less than 1/2 step up in pitch. For ex... "Something to sing about" apparently is in C on the CD, and on the DVD, it's in approximately D flat. 1/2 step is NOT that dramatic a difference. I have 2 old Queen VHS tapes... Live in Budapest and We Will Rock You (90 min. version) and they are both pitched up. For ex. "Tie Your mother down" is in A, on these tapes it was in Asharp. I noticed this primarily while playing along. Later when the "Rock You.." DVD came out, it was in the proper key.

    Anyways, not trying to start a debate (Honest)! It's just that it's not THAT bad! If you weren't used to hearing the voices, songs correctly, it'd be hard to notice. I would definitely reccomend buying The Buffy musical if 1 were sitting on the fence re: The pitch issues. And with the sound of the voices while speaking, interestingly I noticed the speedup the MOST with Xander.

    Pic. quality is Gorgeous. Great set...!


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  2. Julian Lalor

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    I think the "chipmunk" thing is nothing more than a gross exageration of the effect of PAL speed up. 4% is not 40%. I had no problem with the PAL version of OMWF, and I have Seasons 1-3 on R1.
     
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    The speedup is definitely noticable if you're familiar with the episode and the soundtrack. That being said, it ended up not bothering me anywhere near as much as I'd anticipated, at least not for most of the musical numbers.

    What's interesting is that none of the extras feature any PAL speedup. So once you've watched "Once More With Feeling" at a slightly higher pitch, you can hear all the songs at their regular speed in the various supplements.

    About the only thing that does bug me about the box set is that there's a ton of grain in some of the nighttime scenes and they messed up the end credits for the first and last episodes of the season. Otherwise, it's about on par with Buffy Season 5 and Angel Season 3.
     
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    Are there any region free players available that does'nt have the PAL speed-up problem?
     
  5. Dave Mack

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    Ok, just want to reitterate that it IS noticeable... But nowhere near as bad as I was anticipating! Like I said, I owned 2 Queen VHS's that were 1/2 step pitched up (sharp) and until I actually broke out the gtr. I never noticed. Granted if you A/B it, it IS quite obvious, but for most people, wouldn't be that big a deal. I can also not reccomend my modified JVC 600 more highly! The conversion is flawless. Buffy looks amazing and SMOKES many of my highly regarded (and well reviewed) NTSC discs...! And granted the budget went up on the later seasons, but these transfers look MUCH better than say, my season 3 NTSC box set. No "combing" issues or inappropriate flag issues either, (Sets should have been flagged for VIDEO since they were edited that way... something which IRKED me to NO end with the seasons 1-3 sets and which will probably NOT be resolved with Season 4...)

    Also, I am ordering the well regarded French version of FLASH GORDON. Said to have a good 5.1 mix. Will be interesting since I know Queen so well...

    Anyways, Peace Y'all!
     
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    Are you sure? I had a Sampo player a while ago before it crapped out on me after six months. I never experienced a pitched problem with it. I replaced it with a RJ Tech player, which had A noticable pitch problem. After a couple of months it crapped out on me, so I replaced it with a Daewoo 5000N which also has a noticable pitch problem. There's only one place in my general area that carries region free players & so far i've struck out three times. Any Suggestions?[​IMG]
     
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    I usually don't find PAL speedup to be an issue; the one exception is South Park, where the voices are already sped up, and it's quite fatiguing to listen to the PAL discs.
     
  9. Dave Mack

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    Good observation, Adam! In the doc. it was shot on NTSC video, (probably just a mini-DV) convereted to PAL for the Euro-discs, then RE-converted by my player back to NTSC... EEEK!
    VERY Interesting material, but I'm sure it'll look ALOT better on the Region 1... The actual show however, looks AMAZING!

    Anyone see "Rollerball SE" R2 Japanese version (NTSC) yet..
    I've ordered it from AMAZONjp... but it's gonna take awhile even with the express shipping...

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    Actually, Xander doesn't sound so bad on this set. His voice became slightly deeper in Season 6, either due to age or his weight gain. So now with the PAL speedup, he sounds almost like the Xander from Seasons 1-5.
     
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    I cringed when Dawn started to sing. I was glad they cut her off immediately in that scene. (The "Does anybody even notice" bit.)

    Btw, whatever people may say, I'm realy enjoying S6!
     
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    Crud... I've watched 8 eps now. Oh well. It's still buffy and I'll still enjoy it.
     
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    Don't listen to the naysayers Kai.
     
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    Don't worry. I've continued after ep. 8 and I'm realy enjoying the darkness of it all. The whole Spike - Buffy thing is marvelously weird.
     
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    Good man, you get it.
     
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    Jeesh. That "Normal Again" ep realy creeped me out. I've seen them do the insane asylum thing on TNG, but this one realy hit home. I was kind of hoping for the fake real world to fall to pieces in the end, but it didn't. Heck, even the fake real psychology held up.

    Realy, this is the most disturbing season of Buffy to date. I'm glad they realised their audience aged along with the show. I thought Angel was supposed to cater to the more mature audience. Season 6 is doing a mighty fine job of that too.

    I'm glad Buffy's death meant something. It seems to have been a HUGE turnaround for the entire show. I do miss the happier times, but the gloom and doom things keep me coming back for more too. Just can't stop watching...

    *Edit*

    Well now, I have to stop watching 'cause I'm through. And it's been as much an experience as the previous season. Although season 5 had me in tears more times, season 6 had me in constant shock. With tears in the end. I don't know which is the more powerfull emotion, but they both had me riled up. Can't wait to see the final season.
     
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    Michelle can sing, Ally cannot [​IMG]

     

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