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Reggie W said:
On Bond being...well...a bastard...

I always felt Connery played him as a bit of a bastard and it was perfect. Bond is ruthless, a killer, and uses woman for pleasure and to get what he wants and has no qualms about slapping them around or threatening them...and that's how Connery played him. The Connery version of Bond was heartless and cold and not a fellow that seemed to think of women as anything more than objects. Honestly, he is a secret agent and can't afford to let emotions trip him up and this is how the Craig version works too. I think the Craig version is as close to the Connery version as the series has ever got. What was a bit shocking in On Her Majesty's Secret Service was Bond actually falls in love and the woman becomes a weakness the bad guys can get at him with. I remember watching that film for the first time thinking Lazenby's Bond must have been faking being in love because the Connery version would never have let that happen.
Reggie, I agree with a lot of your comments on the Bond films/actors. The first Bond I ever saw was Connery. I also read most of the original novels, and felt that Connery best personified the character. Connery even resembled the character’s physical description, with “ruthless eyes”, “cruel mouth”, “comma of hair over eyebrow”, etc. Bond was also at least half Scottish. In one novel, someone tells Bond that she thinks he looks a bit like Hoagy Carmichael. If one sets aside Hoagy’s sort of drawling delivery, he actually has a good look for the part:

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I think when it comes to deciding who makes a good Bond, Fleming’s original creation must be considered (I know some disagree with that).

However, I do not quite with your description of Connery’s Bond as a “total bastard”. Certainly Bond is ruthless, but he is supposed to have suavity and urbanity and a quick wit. The early Bond trailers described Bond as the “gentleman secret agent”. Director Terence Young has described how he instilled in the young Connery the suavity the character needed. We know Bond was based to an extent on Fleming himself. Bond’s love of martinis, cigarettes, baccarat, etc were shared by Fleming. If you’ve seen pictures or films of Fleming, he comes off more like Noel Coward than a total bastard. IMO, a good screen Bond should be a convincing mixture of ruthlessness, coldness, charm and style.

This is why I think Connery gave us the best Bond on film. He brought a manly, dangerous presence to the character, and yet was able to stay cool and suave at the same time. Roger Moore, IMO played the character more as if he were Bond’s resourceful valet. I don’t think he ever projected the manliness and love of danger that Connery did. I can totally see Connery falling in love with Tracy because he had depth in his portrayal.

I liked OHMSS, and I think Lazenby had the makings of a good Bond. I do think he was a little amateurish at times, but considering that he took over the lead role in a huge franchise and was essentially trained on the job, he acquitted himself rather well. The film is so well put together that I think it survives Lazenby’s occasional lapses.

I liked The Living Daylights because Timothy Dalton was a breath of fresh air after the Moore years. He was not ideal for Bond, but is a consummate actor, and did a good job of playing Bond even though the role did not fit him like a glove. I liked how intense he was, and how the things in the film appeared to affect him emotionally, driving him onward. This was a great change IMO after the uninvolved acting of Moore. I thought License to Kill should have been good, but wasn’t.

I liked Brosnan in Goldeneye. Had Brosnan played Bond back in his Remington Steele days, I think he would have been a lightweight. I had no problem with his portrayal when he finally started, but the films by that time are all just remakes of You Only Live Twice and Thunderball.

I also disagree with Craig being the best since Connery. I do like how the films have taken on a more serious tone. But with Craig, I think we are back to when Connery was cast, and Terence Young taught him how to behave and dress like a gentleman. Craig, IMO, was allowed to burst forth as a brutal Bond without the charm and style of the character and with no Terence Young to school him in those things. Craig does not quite work for me, but I do like the emphasis on character and action with less gadgetry and comedy. Just my 2 cents.
 

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David_B_K said:
However, I do not quite with your description of Connery’s Bond as a “total bastard”. Certainly Bond is ruthless, but he is supposed to have suavity and urbanity and a quick wit.
Sure, I don't want to say he is a total bastard but he is a bit of a bastard and that to me seems something that Connery infused him with. I think when he is on the job he is pretty much determined to complete the job and make sure he survives it. All other concerns for Bond seem secondary. However when he is visiting the main office, seeing Moneypenny, M, or Q he presents a sort of flippant wit. He does this occasionally in the field as well as he seems determined to let the baddies know he does not think much of them but it often seems intended to insult or demean at that point. I do think Craig comes off as a bit less flippant and a bit more gruff and/or blunt. Still the results achieved with the intended target of his "wit" remain the same. Where Connery Bond seems to enjoy passing out the witty digs and is somewhat amused by them, Craig Bond seems to issue them more as a threat he is going to see through to the end.

Speculation on my part but here is an example of something that I think separates Craig Bond and Connery Bond. Much was made of Bond participating in a game of William Tell with Severine and his quip about wasting the scotch afterwards. To me the difference between Craig Bond and Connery Bond in this scene is it is hard to imagine Connery Bond being so shaken by the situation. Craig Bond is quite rattled by it obviously and seems to really not want to have to take the shot. To me it seems Connery Bond would have brazenly taken the shot and and knocked the glass off of Severine's head...at least as a way of biding time until his next move and prolonging Silva's chance to take a shot at her...which Craig Bond seems to know is coming and knows won't be a good thing. It's a rough scene but to me Craig Bond comes across as much more human and a victim of his emotions. The quip about the scotch seems an obvious attempt to cover up that he is quite shattered about Severine's fate. Connery Bond I think would have just turned angry and disgusted and attempted to brutally dispatch the bad guys...without really giving much thought to Severine's fate. Again obviously that's speculation on my part but I think it holds up. I can see him making the comment about the wasted scotch though but using a different line delivery.

David_B_K said:
In one novel, someone tells Bond that she thinks he looks a bit like Hoagy Carmichael. If one sets aside Hoagy’s sort of drawling delivery, he actually has a good look for the part:

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Interestingly, I can see that and I actually think Craig looks a lot more like Hoagy than any other Bond:

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I much prefer Bond with a knowing smile and a sense of humor. I tried to watch Quantum of Solace, but it was just ugly. I got through Skyfall and enjoyed it, but I like Goldfinger and Live and Let Die better.I think most people today are very serious. They tend to prefer serious movies and consider underlying currents of humor to be a weakness. I'm the exact opposite.
 

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Hmm, the documentary on the OHMSS disc says that the movie was supposed to follow Thunderball. Perhaps it was bumped back twice?
I believe it was .
One of the documentaries definitely has a clip of the original closing credits of Goldfinger with OHMSS at the end but it was changed due to reasons mentioned earlier in the thread .
Of course Thunderball was forced into its slot by the legal problems related to Ian Fleming taking the credit for the original story.

And didn't they deliberately change the fifth film to YOLT in response to Connery announcing it would be his last film?
 

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I much prefer Bond with a knowing smile and a sense of humor. I tried to watch Quantum of Solace, but it was just ugly. I got through Skyfall and enjoyed it, but I like Goldfinger and Live and Let Die better.I think most people today are very serious. They tend to prefer serious movies and consider underlying currents of humor to be a weakness. I'm the exact opposite.
Back in the days up to Licence to Kill Bond was almost unique.
A Bond film was something special because at the time there was nothing else like them . There were the films that tried to copy but none could keep up .
As technology allowed those on lesser budgets to offer spectacle equal to Bond the 007 series seemed to lose its way and instead of offering qualities that you would only find in a Bond film they've reverted to copying the rest .
Up to Goldeneye the films are memorable , but everything since then has been almost forgettable with each film being worse than its predecessor with the exception of Skyfall.
I've seen CR and QoS at least twice each but I couldn't tell you anything about them except that CR has a good car roll.
 

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bigshot said:
I much prefer Bond with a knowing smile and a sense of humor. I tried to watch Quantum of Solace, but it was just ugly. I got through Skyfall and enjoyed it, but I like Goldfinger and Live and Let Die better.I think most people today are very serious. They tend to prefer serious movies and consider underlying currents of humor to be a weakness. I'm the exact opposite.
On the issue of Bond's playful and serious nature, I think of two scenes in Goldfinger, the scene on the golf course and the scene where Bond is watching the laser cutter inching ever closer to cleaving him in half with the worst of it coming first. From sly, clever, charming, even chummy playfulness to the ragged edge of real panic, real sweat, his brain searching, desperate, trying to come up with something, anything to make it stop, all too human but while still maintaining the air of "super hero" movie fantasy. Connery was perfection in both regards.

With all subsequent, post-Connery Bond actors, I try to imagine if they would have pulled off each scene as well, drawn me in like a school chum and made me chuckle on the one hand and made me sweat, filled with dread right along with them on the other and I don't think any of them could. Furthermore, I don't believe there has been a scene in any post-Connery Bond film where I could not imagine Connery coming up with a better way to play it.
 

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Sorry, but "Skyfall" IS one of the best Bond films ever...
On a technical level, it may very well be the best Bond film ever...but the script is awful. Zero logic, zero consistency, and it runs the Modern Action Movie Cliche Playbook cover-to-cover. The technical merits do much to camouflage the inherent idiocy of the screenplay, but on repeat viewings, I find it impossible to ignore how downright LOUSY the storytelling is. Even if the mess IS beautiful to look at.
 

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In my opinion many of the Bond films lack good high definition detail, some are contrast boosted to give the illusion of more detail, i am hoping they re-visit many of them for the 55th anniversary, it's too long to wait for the 60th.
I still think we may see something with 4K blu ray releases in 2015. Whether that will involve new masters or not is a big question too.

Last I read there was more news coming this year into next about a 4K blu ray player?

At any rate, if that happens perhaps they will update the masters for blu ray as well and reissue them with Bond 24?
The HD masters used on the blu ray set are from 2003 or 2004 I believe. The first HV release of the Lowry transfers was 2006 with the UE DVD's.
 

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bigshot said:
I much prefer Bond with a knowing smile and a sense of humor. I tried to watch Quantum of Solace, but it was just ugly. I got through Skyfall and enjoyed it, but I like Goldfinger and Live and Let Die better.I think most people today are very serious. They tend to prefer serious movies and consider underlying currents of humor to be a weakness. I'm the exact opposite.
Yes, everything has to be "gritty" now, as though that makes it somehow more authentic. Even the last Superman movie, featuring a character who should be light and optimistic, was primarily about genocide.
 

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bigshot said:
I much prefer Bond with a knowing smile and a sense of humor. I tried to watch Quantum of Solace, but it was just ugly. I got through Skyfall and enjoyed it, but I like Goldfinger and Live and Let Die better.I think most people today are very serious. They tend to prefer serious movies and consider underlying currents of humor to be a weakness. I'm the exact opposite.
I like the Craig films (including Quantum of Solace), but I watch the Connery and Moore ones a lot more based on EXACTLY what you state.

Casino Royale is the one that is hard for me to watch these days. It's long and just seems over the top violent too. It is a great Bond film, but again I prefer to watch the older ones most of the time..
 

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My favorite Bond films are probably On Her Majesty's Secret Service and Casino Royale. Most likely because they're more "Fleming" than the rest. They take less left turns from the material, whereas many of the films became adaptations in name only. I know there are those who love the over-the-top gadgets and everything that really came to define the series (particularly during the Moore years), but that was never what the books were about, and the books were my introduction to Bond.

And my taste in Bond actors is also largely rooted in how they stack up to Fleming's character, more than anything else. Which is why I find that Connery, Dalton, and Craig have been the most convincing actors in the role. Dalton, in particular, took fidelity to Fleming in his characterization very seriously. Which comes through in his performance, and I appreciate that. I also think Connery set a great tone in the earlier films (particularly the more subdued ones), and that Craig is almost a perfect modern equivalent of what Fleming's Bond was in the '50s and '60s. The others, I don't have much use for. Even Lazenby, who - as stated above - stars in one of my favorite Bond films. Had they been able to make OHMSS with Connery, it could have been a perfect Bond film.
 

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Wasn't the lawsuit finally settled with Kevin McClory and/or his estate, and if so, is there a chance we will see Blofeld and SPECTRE return to the Bond franchise soon?
 

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Wasn't the lawsuit finally settled with Kevin McClory and/or his estate, and if so, is there a chance we will see Blofeld and SPECTRE return to the Bond franchise soon?
I think it's finally been settled. McClory was partned with Sony/Columbia when he tried to make his "Warhead 2000" remake of Thurderball/Never Say Never Again. Now that Sony is the theatrical distributor for 007 movies, I think as part of that deal a lot of stuff got straightened out.

I like that they attemped to make a SPECTRE-like organization in Craig's first two films. Hopefully they will return to that plot thread in a future film.
 

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Oblivion138 said:
On a technical level, it may very well be the best Bond film ever...but the script is awful. Zero logic, zero consistency, and it runs the Modern Action Movie Cliche Playbook cover-to-cover. The technical merits do much to camouflage the inherent idiocy of the screenplay, but on repeat viewings, I find it impossible to ignore how downright LOUSY the storytelling is. Even if the mess IS beautiful to look at.
I feel like "Skyfall" was one of a handful of blockbusters that really seemed to copy "The Dark Knight" playbook maybe a little too much. (And I'm saying this as someone who loves "The Dark Knight" and also enjoyed "Skyfall".) It seemed like every other giant movie coming out after The Dark Knight hit these plot points:

- an unstoppable villain appears out of nowhere to pose a threat to the hero's home city/state/country
- desperate measures are taken to track down the villain, who is arrested and caged at the halfway point
- in a twist, the villain is revealed to have allowed himself to have been captured because his real plan is to cause destruction and/or retrieve something from a secure location that happens to be where the prison cell is
- when the villain's plan works and he escapes, the hero becomes an outlaw and must chase down the villain to the ends of the earth
- etc., etc.

It's such a basic outline that it can apply to a lot of things, but I think that got used a lot after Dark Knight... we've since seen that storyline in The Avengers, Skyfall, Star Trek Into Darkness, and others.

My bigger issue with the Skyfall script is how it's portrayal of Bond basically skips an entire film (or several films) in the evolution of the character. When we start "Casino Royale" he's a new agent, not fully formed, not the Bond we know yet but a rougher, blunter, unrefined version. At the end of the movie, he's become the Bond we know... except, "Quantum of Solace" starts up and he's not that guy yet, and in that movie, he's portrayed as emotional, reckless, filled with grief and rage... and he needs to work through all of that and let it go before he can be the Bond we all know and grew up with... and by the end of the movie, he does get to that point. He's finally Bond. And then "Skyfall" begins, and everyone is saying that he's too old, past his prime, lost a step... and I was just sitting there scratching my head wondering when the hell that happened. Before "Skyfall", his bosses call him too young and too inexperienced, and then magically in Skyfall he's too old? Who thought it was a good idea to skip over his entire prime? I had a hard time accepting that at the beginning of the film, and to a certain extent, that kept me from being as fully invested in the story and the idea as I was with the previous films. I bought everything that happened in Casino Royale and Quantum Of Solace. I have a really difficult time accepting the premise of Skyfall by comparison.
 

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Josh Steinberg said:
I feel like "Skyfall" was one of a handful of blockbusters that really seemed to copy "The Dark Knight" playbook maybe a little too much. (And I'm saying this as someone who loves "The Dark Knight" and also enjoyed "Skyfall".) It seemed like every other giant movie coming out after The Dark Knight hit these plot points:

- an unstoppable villain appears out of nowhere to pose a threat to the hero's home city/state/country
- desperate measures are taken to track down the villain, who is arrested and caged at the halfway point
- in a twist, the villain is revealed to have allowed himself to have been captured because his real plan is to cause destruction and/or retrieve something from a secure location that happens to be where the prison cell is
- when the villain's plan works and he escapes, the hero becomes an outlaw and must chase down the villain to the ends of the earth
- etc., etc.

It's such a basic outline that it can apply to a lot of things, but I think that got used a lot after Dark Knight... we've since seen that storyline in The Avengers, Skyfall, Star Trek Into Darkness, and others.

My bigger issue with the Skyfall script is how it's portrayal of Bond basically skips an entire film (or several films) in the evolution of the character. When we start "Casino Royale" he's a new agent, not fully formed, not the Bond we know yet but a rougher, blunter, unrefined version. At the end of the movie, he's become the Bond we know... except, "Quantum of Solace" starts up and he's not that guy yet, and in that movie, he's portrayed as emotional, reckless, filled with grief and rage... and he needs to work through all of that and let it go before he can be the Bond we all know and grew up with... and by the end of the movie, he does get to that point. He's finally Bond. And then "Skyfall" begins, and everyone is saying that he's too old, past his prime, lost a step... and I was just sitting there scratching my head wondering when the hell that happened. Before "Skyfall", his bosses call him too young and too inexperienced, and then magically in Skyfall he's too old? Who thought it was a good idea to skip over his entire prime? I had a hard time accepting that at the beginning of the film, and to a certain extent, that kept me from being as fully invested in the story and the idea as I was with the previous films. I bought everything that happened in Casino Royale and Quantum Of Solace. I have a really difficult time accepting the premise of Skyfall by comparison.
We're getting to a point now where, if the villain in an action blockbuster gets caught, and he DIDN'T plan it all along, that would be a twist. haha The trope is definitely played out. It worked in The Dark Knight because it was totally unexpected. Now, every time the bad guy gets caught in these films...especially if it seems too easy...one can't help but suspect that it's all part of his plan. And Silva's plan, by the way, is not only logistically impossible, it is also needlessly complicated beyond belief. He could achieve his ends far more satisfactorily by expending a fraction of the effort.

Also, it doesn't help that Bond spends the entire film bungling every task and failing at everything he attempts. The only thing he really succeeds in doing is capturing a villain whose plan was to get captured. Which is no real accomplishment at all. Beyond that, he makes the wrong choice at every turn, dooms the people he tries to protect to certain death, ensures the premature death of everyone he tries to get information from, and unless I missed something, never recovers the intel that Silva hijacked in the first place...the MacGuffin is completely forgotten (not only by the audience, but by the characters, as well) very early on. Imagine if at the end of the first act of The Maltese Falcon, everyone in the film simply forgot about the titular bird. That's how Skyfall handles the stolen intel.

Skyfall sets itself up as a film where Bond is seen as old and obsolete, but he buckles down, does what has to be done, prevails in the end, proves his mettle, and is welcomed back into the fold by those who initially doubted him. Instead, it is a film where Bond is seen as old and obsolete, proves that he is by doing absolutely nothing right, gets his boss killed, and is still welcomed back into the fold by those who initially doubted him. Which makes no sense whatsoever. Surely, Mallory cannot feel secure putting his life in the hands of the man who ushered his predecessor off to bloody Scotland with no backup and got her killed. And let's not even get into the whole "Home Alone" aspect of the big standoff at Skyfall.

In the end, Skyfall is a terrible script elevated by top-notch filmmaking. The direction, cinematography, and editing are all so superlative that the technical brilliance obscures how completely and utterly dreadful the narrative is. And so I say again...imagine if Mendes and Deakins could collaborate on a Bond film with a really good script. :thumbs-up-smiley:
 

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On the comparison to The Dark Knight: 1. I think unstoppable villains that pose a horrible threat were around long before The Dark Knight. Bond films actually had been doing the super villain thing for a long time. So, I think it would be more proper to say The Dark Knight borrows from Bond and Nolan, ever the Bond fan, would agree with that. 2. Desperate measures being taken to track the super baddie is also a pretty old action movie standard and did not come into existence with The Dark Knight. Bond was doing that well in advance of Nolan's Batman series so again who is borrowing from who here? 3. Plenty of films have villains allowing themselves to be captured as part of their plan...again not invented for The Dark Knight. One of the biggies of recent years that plenty of people refer to is
Seven.

4. Plenty of films use the capture and escape of the villain to heighten the drama and make the chase all the more desperate the second time in the film...usually with the capture part going out the window for instead a "stop him at any cost" effort where killing the villain is far more likely. Again, not invented for The Dark Knight.

Personally, The Dark Knight made very little impression on me as it felt like a series of poorly recycled gags and so I did not draw a comparison to Skyfall when I saw it. I guess if you draw that comparison could be directly related to how you felt about The Dark Knight.
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My bigger issue with the Skyfall script is how it's portrayal of Bond basically skips an entire film (or several films) in the evolution of the character. When we start "Casino Royale" he's a new agent, not fully formed, not the Bond we know yet but a rougher, blunter, unrefined version. At the end of the movie, he's become the Bond we know... except, "Quantum of Solace" starts up and he's not that guy yet, and in that movie, he's portrayed as emotional, reckless, filled with grief and rage... and he needs to work through all of that and let it go before he can be the Bond we all know and grew up with... and by the end of the movie, he does get to that point.
This I can see as a valid issue people could have. In Quantum of Solace Bond goes rouge and turns outlaw to finish the job. Once the job is over and he is accepted back into the fold he does seem to have become the fully formed Bond. Ready for action. At the start of Skyfall it does seem to lack continuity that he is suddenly seen as the washed up Bond. However, I don't think the Bond series has ever been big on continuity.

The big difference between Craig's Bond and all the other Bonds is that he is the most emotional Bond of the entire series of films. He feels more than any of the other Bonds...except perhaps Lazenby's Bond who falls in love and gets married.
 

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As I posted in the Skyfall thread, I didn't enjoy the film. I found it derivative and dull and Daniel Craig very wooden as other posters have said. To me (early 50's) there is nothing new in modern films although from a technical viewpoint they are well made. I think the comparisons with the Dark Knight films are interesting because Chris Nolan is the best contemporary film maker. I really enjoyed the Dark Knight trilogy, exceptionally well made, strong characters played by top actors, intelligent scripts with a good ending. All the rest, Avengers, Superman, Spiderman etc, very well made, and possibly entertaining films but no character development.

For what it's worth (not much!) Dalton is the best Bond and closest to the character in the books. Much as I have enjoyed some of the films over the years, unlike the Dark Knight (definitive Batman films), I don't think the definitive Bond film has been made yet.
 

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On the comparison to The Dark Knight:
I didn't mean to suggest that The Dark Knight invented all of those concepts - just that the success of The Dark Knight has encouraged many similar blockbusters to use those particular concepts in that particular order in what seems a disproportionate number of films. And while other movies, like you pointed out with "Seven" did the villain getting caught to advance a master plan... in Seven, it happens towards the finale of the film. In "The Dark Knight" and "Skyfall" and the other films that I mentioned, it's a mid-movie occurance. Again, not saying "Dark Knight" had those ideas and that no one else had ever had them before -- just that the "Dark Knight" execution of those ideas has since been copied frequently. It's not a problem for me to see similar ideas, it's just, as Oblivion138 said, these days its being used so much that a villain being caught not by his own design would be a twist.

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This I can see as a valid issue people could have. In Quantum of Solace Bond goes rouge and turns outlaw to finish the job. Once the job is over and he is accepted back into the fold he does seem to have become the fully formed Bond. Ready for action. At the start of Skyfall it does seem to lack continuity that he is suddenly seen as the washed up Bond. However, I don't think the Bond series has ever been big on continuity.
I'd agree that Bond films have had very little continuity -- only I'd say that the Craig films had been an exception to that. Quantum starts off five minutes after Casino ends. Skyfall, by comparison, doesn't necessarily feel like it's even part of the same world. I'm not expecting Craig's Bond movies to have continuity to the previous actors, but I was hoping for some more continuity within his tenure of the role, and I don't think that was an unreasonable expectation since it was the Bond producers who gave me that expectation in the first place by making Casino Royale and Quantum Of Solace so closely related. It's not so much that Skyfall doesn't call back to Craig's earlier efforts - I'm okay with that. It's that they skipped over the entire period where Bond gets to be Bond. First we see him, he's too young, not ready, and that's the big subtext of Craig's first two outings. Then, we're back in Skyfall, and he's too old, past his prime. Who's brilliant idea was it to do the Bond series in a way where they completely skip over Bond getting to be Bond? I think we needed at least one movie after Quantum and before Skyfall to have happened before they could start playing with that idea. It's almost as if Skyfall pretends Casino and Quantum didn't happen and is meant to follow the Brosnan films.

I've read that Neal Purvis and Robert Wade have left the series - they co-wrote every Bond film from The World Is Not Enough through Skyfall. I believe they wrote the first drafts and story for all the films, and then other writers (Paul Haggis and John Logan, among others) were brought in to rewrite them and polish the dialogue. Anyway, I think the series will be better without them. I think they're responsible for a lot of the goofy, silly plotting that has been a weakness of the Brosnan films, managed to not infect Casino Royale, but came back bigtime in Skyfall. Skyfall is a gorgeously shot, technically perfect, dark-in-tone film, and all of that hides that much of what happens in the story makes no sense. I enjoyed Skyfall, and it's certainly far from the worst film in the series, but I can't get into it if my brain is left in the "on" position.
 

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Personally, I think all the Bond movies are good, but some are clearly better than others. I like the Connery films the best, then Lazenby, and Craig. Roger Moore was the weakest, but he had his moments. The underrated Pierce Brosnan saved the series. Unlike many big budget films, at least with the Bond films you could see where the money went, right up there on the screen.
 

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Josh Steinberg said:
I didn't mean to suggest that The Dark Knight invented all of those concepts - just that the success of The Dark Knight has encouraged many similar blockbusters to use those particular concepts in that particular order in what seems a disproportionate number of films. And while other movies, like you pointed out with "Seven" did the villain getting caught to advance a master plan... in Seven, it happens towards the finale of the film. In "The Dark Knight" and "Skyfall" and the other films that I mentioned, it's a mid-movie occurance.
Not to mention that in SE7EN, the killer gives himself up to the police voluntarily. He does not allow his pursuers to think that they caught him all on their own, with the fact that he engineered his own capture being a major plot point later on. Which is what The Dark Knight did that has been recycled numerous times since.
 

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