Will Sci-Fi Movies ever win an Oscar ??? (1 Viewer)

[Bill J]

I also agree with Walter completely.

 

[Seth_S]

 

[Bill J]

Don't bother trying to defend this point because I'm not going to listen.

Ok, I'll save my energy then.

 

[Seth_S]

But it still carries this overall message that people will do the right thing, and that good triumphs evil.

 

[Bill J]

But it still carries this overall message that people will do the right thing, and that good triumphs evil.

I found the film to be slightly more enigmatic than that, considering the complexity of Oskar Schindler. I did not think that the ending was triumphant, primarily because of the vast scale of evil and injustice that the film portrayed. In my opinion it can almost be described as emotionally "numb," although the outcome is positive to a certain extent.

Obviously the film impacted you in a different way.

 

[Seth_S]

The film didn't really impact me at all. It's horrific imagery, but with little substance. I've probably seen more holocaust films then most people, and Spielberg's depiction of it struck me as a "best of clips" of previous holocaust films. For instance, lots of imagery was just lifted out of Jakubiowska's "The Last Stage" (1948), such as the arrival at Auschwitz (in fact, "The Last Stage" is so realistic that it's been mistaken as real footage shot in Auschwitz and used in documentaries). Furthermore, the film was quite tasteless in parts, such as the "suspenseful" Zyklon-B shower scene - is it going to be gas or water? In reality there was no suspense for the victims. And the end where the survivors and their relatives go to Schindler's grave was cheap melodrama.

Anyway, I recommend post WWII polish films on the subject or more recently "Shoah" instead.

 

[Bill J]

That is true, but I was still not satisfied knowing that countless others were not nearly as fortunate as the Schindler Jews. I can't even begin to imagine how those whom had survived went about living the rest of their lives.

 

[Seth_S]

That's what makes "Shoah" so amazing. It's only interviews.

 

[Dennis Pagoulatos]

Let's get back on topic:

If more sci-fi movies like Mel Brooks trailer parody "Jews in Space" got made, there'd be way more Oscars handed out to the genre.

-Dennis

 

[Eric Scott]

Holadem, It is true that after 9/11 I was fully immersed in behavior that I cannot mention here at HTF, do to it’s political and sexual content.

However, I have returned and intend to incite and extract the most outrageous and repugnant comments ever heard from Steve Christou!

 

[Steve Christou]

Wow and this thread started off as an innocent 'Will SF movies ever win any Oscar besides friggin' best effects? thread, how did it get so bent out of shape? Hmmm is it because Eric the Scott has dropped in after skiving off for a whole year? No... I don't know... all I can say is... I'm in the 'Minority Report isn't a dream' camp, watched it again recently and I can't see any reason why El Spielbergo would want it to end that way, no point at all, sorry. I'm still waiting for some guy to come out with the alltime classic 'The Matrix was all just a dream within a dream within...zzzzzz [falls asleep and dreams of typing this post....]

 

[Dan Rudolph]

So what some people are saying is that Spielberg sucks because his movies aren't depressing enough?

As far as sci-fi movies getting major Oscars, A Clockwork Orange was at least nominated.

 

[TheLongshot]

Seth,

Point taken, but the way I took it

Was the arrogance of the time and place. The fact that there was no way Anderton was going to get close anyways to do something like that. I've also worked at places that still had user accounts from people who are long gone.

Anyways, it is always a possibility that the bad guy left things in place on purpose so that his senario played out, without any huge roadblocks.


I still think it was one of the best films of last year.

Jason

 

[Bill J]

Re: Minority Report


That is exactly how I saw it.

 

[Seth_S]

Anyways, it is always a possibility that the bad guy left things in place on purpose so that his senario played out, without any huge roadblocks.

 

[TheLongshot]

As I said, when you are expecting a certain level of protection, there may be carelessness and holes inside. I work at a secure facility, and while the security outside is tough, there are some things that they really trust the people inside and are not as secure as you might think. It is the same way I felt about the retinal scanners, which is tough enough to stop most people, so what is beyond is weakened.

You convienently ignored my other point, which I could see being easily ignored, since it would probably happen automatically and people would assume the access was revoked. There is a lot of assuming that goes on, rather than real thinking.


Jason

 

[Seth_S]

Jason, sorry, I didn't highlight down far enough.

Allowing Cruise to break in seems to big of a risk, in fact, because he broke in, he was able to put together the evidence that solved the whole puzzle (which he could have done had he just thought a little harder during the greenhouse scene.)

Come to think of it, I'm also probably tainted by the fact that my brother works in the Aerospace industry. Whenever he leaves his office, he's searched for computer discs, and needs clearance to bring any documents out of the office. When someone is fired there, they escort you out of the building, practically strip search you, and pack up your belongings for you. It's just impossible for me to accept such an oversight of security, especially when all someone as to do is point and click on a computer to void his clearence.

 

[Bill J]

I have heard numerous people criticize Minority Report primarily for the alleged retinal scan plot hole, but many of those same people (nobody in particular) regard Raiders of the Lost Ark as being among Spielberg's best work. The interesting thing about that is that Raiders of the Lost Ark, in my opinion includes one of the largest plot holes I have ever seen (which is always overlooked).

Someone please explain to me how Indiana Jones could survive on the exterior of a submerged German U-Boat on a journey hundreds of miles across the Mediterranean Sea.

 

[Seth_S]

I think the plot hole in MP is harder to overlook because the movie hinges on its high concept plot and technology like the retinal scan. Maybe if Spielberg hadn't spent so much time pointing that the technology had become such an integral part of life in the year 2054 I wouldn't be bitching so much.

 

[Bill J]

The only thing is, as Jason implies above, the retinal scan incident could happen, although it may seem very unlikely. However, the scene in Raiders is as close to impossible as it gets.