Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018) (3 Viewers)

[Wayne_j]

Rian Johnson is the director that fragmented the fan base. They shouldn't put all the focus on his trilogy.

 

[Jake Lipson]

Rian Johnson is the director that fragmented the fan base.

George Lucas already did that with the prequels.

 

[TravisR]

Rian Johnson is the director that fragmented the fan base. They shouldn't put all the focus on his trilogy.

That was just an explosion of impotent rage and racism looking for a place to happen and The Last Jedi caught it because it killed off Luke and because it had the audacity to feature 'minorities' in the majority of roles. As always, that's not all the people that didn't like it but it sure seems like it's the most vocal and most insane of the group.

 

[SamT]

'Multiple films' still in 'Star Wars' pipeline, sources say

Reports of the death of future standalone films from that galaxy far, far away (like "Solo," "Rogue One" and a rumored -- but never-announced -- Obi-Wan Kenobi project) appear to be premature, and speculative at best.

 

[Tino]

From ABC news.....owned by Disney!

 

[TravisR]

From ABC news.....owned by Disney!

I doubt sources as much as anyone but I see no more reason to trust an anonymously sourced clickbait story on Collider. If Disney wanted to falsely combat that story, they'd call Entertainment Weekly or some other non-Disney-owned news outlet and tell them everything was A-OK.

 

[Edwin-S]

That was just an explosion of impotent rage and racism looking for a place to happen and The Last Jedi caught it because it killed off Luke and because it had the audacity to feature 'minorities' in the majority of roles. As always, that's not all the people that didn't like it but it sure seems like it's the most vocal and most insane of the group.

I thought the film was garbage because it was badly written, not because it had minorities in most roles. In fact, I think the film was an insult to minorities. It made the women look incompetent and the casino planet story thread played the two leads as bad comic relief.

All of them should have demanded an apology from Johnson.

 

[Edwin-S]

George Lucas already did that with the prequels.

Lucas broke the fandom. Johnson finished the job by crushing it.

 

[TravisR]

There's no need to waste either of our time going in circles about The Last Jedi but this:

It made the women look incompetent...

Huh? Rey has an incredible ability with the Force and she's able to master it, she has the courage to confront Snoke which leads to his demise, she resists a powerful offer to join Kylo Ren, her actions help get Luke off the sidelines and save the Resistance & she rescues the remaining members of the Resistance. Leia leads and eventually helps save the Resistance after a bad defeat. Rose is the brains of the outfit on Canto Bight and she saves Finn from needleesly killing himself. Holdo chooses to remain with her ship to allow the Resistance to escape and then she flies her ship into Snoke's Mega Destroyer saving the Resistance. The ladies in The Last Jedi have it together far more than the men (which was something that was also a source of irritation for many fans).

 

[Jake Lipson]

Lucas broke the fandom. Johnson finished the job by crushing it.

By making a movie that a lot of people liked and a lot of people didn't like? I I don't see how Johnson did any further damage than the prequels, or even Return of the Jedi and the childish emphasis on the Ewoks. There are parts of the saga that I like more than others, and I'm sure that's true of everyone. But we all still like Star Wars.

Even the people who hated The Last Jedi and want to remake it must still like something about Star Wars, or they wouldn't be so deeply offended if they didn't like the source material.

Star Wars is bigger than any one single film now. It survived differing opinions of the prequels. It will survive differing opinions on The Last Jedi. It will survive the underperformance of Solo. It means a lot of different things to a lot of different people who have very different experiences with it. The galaxy is wide enough for us all to find something we like in there.

Pleasing everyone is impossible, so all that can be asked of a given filmmaker is for them to do the best job they can in telling what they think is the best story they can tell. Rian Johnson did that with The Last Jedi. It didn't work for some people, and that's okay. There's a lot of people it did work for, myself included. But whichever side of the debate you fall on, there's always something else coming.

 

[Jake Lipson]

There's no need to waste either of our time going in circles about The Last Jedi

You wrote this simultaneously as I was writing my last post. I'm going to leave my last post there because I stand by what I said in it, but since you said it, I agree fully with you that continuing to argue over it isn't going to do anybody any good, so I'm done with that now too.

 

[SamT]

Lucasfilm "Licking Their Wounds" But Not Halting 'Star Wars' Development

 

[Carabimero]

I asked this question earlier in this thread, and apparently here is the answer: no.

http://collider.com/star-wars-spinoffs-on-hold/

I don't see how Johnson did any further damage than the prequels, or even Return of the Jedi and the childish emphasis on the Ewoks. There are parts of the saga that I like more than others, and I'm sure that's true of everyone. But we all still like Star Wars.

It is the opinion of many fans that Johnson did critical damage to Star Wars by his treatment of Luke Skywalker. People may not have loved the prequel movies, but they didn't go against the Skywalker type. Johnson did, and in my opinion, and the opinion of many others, he didn't believably motivate it (I am not going to detail this again as I have made post after post about it). So to claim that we all still like Star Wars is not a claim I would make. I can't speak for others, only for myself. I still like Star Wars. But a lot of people I know, at least for the moment, seem to side with Mark Hamill in saying, "I don't care anymore."

 

[Keith Cobby]

The original trilogy has been debased by the subsequent films, and we have George Lucas and the money machine to blame for this. I prefer the Back to the Future films to Star Wars, and their creators have, thankfully, left them alone.

 

[Greg.K]

TBH, I'm more upset with TFA's treatment of Han. Going back to his smuggling ways with Chewie after stepping up to help save the galaxy? Bah.

Luke's arc in TLJ worked much better for me.

 

[Edwin-S]

If SOLO is any indication then STAR WARS is finished as a franchise. The film was well constructed, but couldn't overcome the Fan barrier that Han Solo could be played by anyone other than Harrison Ford. Most fans of STAR WARS went to Rian Johnson's film because Luke Skywalker and Leia were still in it. They were going to the film to see how Luke and Leia's stories would play out and most of them were vastly disappointed by the result. The entire original cast is now gone, leaving only a dull collection of characters to carry on into the next one. I mean who really cares what a colourless character like Rey does in the next one? And she was the best one of the sorry lot.

 

[Tino]

most of them were vastly disappointed by the result

I don’t think that’s true at all.

Some but certainly not most. And I think Solo’s problems extend way beyond recasting Han.

 

[Edwin-S]

I don’t think that’s true at all.

Some but certainly not most. And I think Solo’s problems extend way beyond recasting Han.

By that do you mean the non-argument that the story never needed to be told or made into a film?

 

[Tino]

By that do you mean the non-argument that the story never needed to be told or made into a film?

Partly. Mostly my problem was the writing by the Kasdans. And some of the casting.

And the story never needing to be told is partly valid. It would have been irrelevant tho if the writing was better.

 

[Jake Lipson]

Mostly my problem was the writing by the Kasdans.

+1 for this. In particular, the "how Han got his last name" thing is the stupidest thing I've seen in a movie since the Martha scene in Batman v. Superman.

So to claim that we all still like Star Wars is not a claim I would make. I can't speak for others, only for myself. I still like Star Wars. But a lot of people I know, at least for the moment, seem to side with Mark Hamill in saying, "I don't care anymore."

Of course the people who don't like The Last Jedi due to its treatment of Luke still like Star Wars. They like, at the very least, the original trilogy depicting the version of Luke that they feel is "correct," for lack of a better term. For comparison's sake, I hate Harry Potter and the Cursed Child. But it doesn't at all impact my affection for the books or the films. And I'm still on board for the Fantastic Beasts sequel coming in November, because that's a separate thing.

I also expect some people who are mad will actually still end up going to see Episode IX, especially if Mark Hamill appears as a Force ghost, which I also fully expect. Some won't, but the appeal of seeing Hamill in the role again will be too tempting for many to pass up.