Horror of horrors! New Annie (1982) Special Edition P&S only!

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  1. William Miller

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    The Columbia press release states that the new Annie (1982) Special Edition will be P&S only.

    This can't be true. They wouldn't do this to a Panavision movie, would they?

    The first release, which contained a 2.35 version, had some framing problems in a few scenes. I guess there won't be any problem with the new version since the whole thing will be mis-framed.

    What is in these studio's mind when Family films are not letterboxed? Do they think that letterboxing is for "adults only"? Do they think that if children see black bars on a TV screen that they will go into catatonic fits and have to be sedated? No! It's a lot of older adults that react this way and not kids. Kids are much more hip to 21st century technology.

    Very depressing.
     
  2. DaViD Boulet

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    I was just going to start a thread on this myself. Thanks for doing it.

    DVDfile details:

     
  3. MatthewA

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    I tried emailing them but they said: "Relay access denied"
     
  4. Bingo

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    DTS and Pan&Scan?!?!?!?

    Yeah...cuz THAT makes sense......

    [​IMG]
     
  5. MatthewA

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    Furthermore, the extras they have announced are terrible. A pop version of the song (Disney's influence no doubt)? Sing-alongs? Act-alongs? What in God's name is going through their heads?

    In another thread we pondered the existence of some substantial extras. The existence of a one-hour PBS documentary is well-known.

    I tried emailing them again, but again it was rejected by their mail system.
     
  6. DaViD Boulet

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    Matthew,

    once you find a working email please share it with us here.

    quick info to get everyone started:

    Columbia TriStar Home Video
    10202 W. Washington Blvd.
    Culver City, CA 90232-3195
    [INCORRECT PHONE NUMBER REMOVED AT STUDIO'S REQUEST. SEE MY POST. SORRY, DAVID!]
    E-mail: [email protected]

    Anyone want to volunteer to start an on-line Peition? Already one going for Matilda!

    dave
     
  7. MatthewA

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    I think this calls for a song:

    From Sony we get such sorrow
    With some discs I wouldn't even borrow
    From a friend.

    With "Annie" we'll get some sorrow
    For it's pan and scan and that means sorrow
    Don't pretend

    That "Matilda" should be a TV-movie
    In the shape of a square, how dare
    They try! Oy!

    It's causing us pain and sorrow
    To see discs of films that come tomorrow
    We can't buy.

    Such sorrow! Such sorrow!
    These discs that cause sorrow
    Should not see the light of day!

    Such sorrow! Such sorrow!
    These discs that cause sorrow
    Should not see the light of day!
     
  8. Roger Rollins

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    I really despise this movie....

    However, what I despise even more is the stupidity of Columbia putting out a non-OAR special edition of this title. This is absolutely twisted and stupid. For those of you who do like this movie (and I know there are many), I can only recommend that you do indeed contact the company and voice your complaints. Even though this isn't a film I would buy, as a matter of responsibility I feel I need to write to Columbia in protest.

    This sets a terrible and dangerous precedent![​IMG]
     
  9. EdwardKarlinski

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    Since Annie is a title which only appeals to a small audience, this decision is insane. To me, Annie is a marginal film. While I might have purchased a special edition in widescreen to increase my musical selection, I don't like the film enough to buy a pan and scan version.
     
  10. Joshua Clinard

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    Good that this movie got it's own seperate thread. I didn't start one, since this movie already had a widescreen edition, but since it was mis-framed, I think it deserves one. Can someone call the number listed and verify that it works? If so, I will call and voice my displeasure about both Annie and Matilda.

    Your song is great, Matthew!
     
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    They corrected the framing problems on the first one.
     
  14. DaViD Boulet

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    Did they?

    DVD file said they would announce it if Columbia corrected the problem...and no announcement was ever made. If Columbia *did* correct the problem, then why didn't they tell me so after I sent them *several* emails (which were all ignored) asking if they would and if I could exchange my defective copy for a corrected one?

    -dave
     
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    Even if they did correct the framing problem on the previous release, it's out of print anyway. So those who were holding out for a special edition may be out of luck.

    I know this film wasn't exactly a huge hit at the box office, but's gained something of a cult following in the years since. It's a splashy, big-budget, old-style, Hollywood musical, filmed anamorphically, and it looks horrid cropped.

    I kind of like the film (laugh at me all you want; maybe it's nostalgia), and I'd been trying to track down the previous movie-only release. When I heard about the SE, I thought I might get that. But I won't buy it if it's P&S only.

    Although I can vouch for the fact that some of today's kids can and do enjoy this movie (I know one 10-year-old in particular who's a big fan), the majority of people who are going to be interested in it are adults. And anyway, as some have already pointed out, most kids don't worry about the black bars.

    I'll gladly sign a petition if anyone wants to start one. I realize a lot of people hate the film, but you have to at least agree with the principle here. I don't want to jump on the "I hate Columbia Tristar" bandwagon, because they really do put out some quality releases, but this is blowing my mind. Even Universal has been putting out dual releases of some of their catalog titles (many of them family films, no less).

    I guess we'll see what happens on this.
     
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    To clarify, I do not hate them. I just think some of their decisions leave a lot to be desired. They championed the DVD format in the past, and they have released some really good DVDs. This is why it really hurts when these studios make poor decisions.

    Even "Gigli" got a widescreen transfer.
     
  17. Greg_M

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    Pan and Scan?

    Widescreen - this film was 2:35

    "Lights, Camera, Annie" -Original hour long PBS Documentary on the making of the film

    Original shot numbers "Easy Street" "Maybe" "Your Never Fully Dressed Without a Smile" (These were all restaged and rehoot months after filming waas completed.

    Original opening - with Annie escaping from the orhange and getting caught

    Radio City film premiere
    History of the Broadway show
    trailers

    These would make the release turly "Special"

    Maybe the people at SONY don't know this stuff is out there?
     
  18. Greg_M

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    The framing problem was corrected and the DVD looks great - but there was never any mention of the correct.
     
  19. jonathan_little

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    I never bought the old release of Annie because I could never find out if it had been fixed. Now the old release is apparently out of print and the used prices are at ridiculous levels.

    Barnes and Noble lists the new release as "wide screen" on their site, but I don't know if that means anything.
     
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    I have the corrected version and it does look great.
     

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