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Lake Jon

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Hello everyone, new guy here. I love music, video and music videos. My preference is for less expensive but loud/vintage equipment that shakes the walls as opposed to really expensive high end stuff. My current home audio equipment consists of a Yamaha pre-amp, NAD 2200 power amp powering two Pioneer HPM 100s and two Cerwin Vega E-712 towers. My living room is approximately 28x30+ with a 16 ft vaulted ceiling (really open and odd shape) and this setup fills the large open room and is good base-wise when you sit in the immediate living area. Not having a wife I have the benefit of using my living room however I want instead of a basement! I also have Carver and Yamaha amps, two Gemini ASBLU-15LT PA speakers/built in 2000 watt amp combos at my disposal, and some other speakers.

But this isn't about that.

I have a 23x47 = 1,081 sq. foot commercial space I'm turning into an event center/private club and want concert level sound/feel and video/lights. I will also be able to stay there when I want. Right now the ceiling and old walls have been demo'd so it's basically a blank slate, with open walls and ceiling. The ceiling is currently 9'6" and I looked into raising the roof 3-4 feet and it would cost over $50,000 so no. It's going to have to work with a 9'6" to 10' ceiling. I have so many questions in areas I have little knowledge in. Below is a diagram of the layout, the bar is already there. A separate bedroom and storage room are behind the stage, but I'm only concerned with the home theatre part.


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Areas of questions include:

Sound proofing: the front wall -closest neighbor is about 75 yards away across the street
Speaker Wiring, type and max distance
Wireless HDMI for about 6-8 TVs
Wireless cable TV or DirecTV
Projectors vs TVs
Patch together what audio I have/with a new sub, or get concert equipment
DMX Concert lighting combined with video and traditional lighting
One audio/video source going into three amps
Different video for different TVS
Power for 1) audio/video, 2)lighting, 3) all other stuff I assume different runs for each?
 

Dave Upton

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Hello everyone, new guy here. I love music, video and music videos. My preference is for less expensive but loud/vintage equipment that shakes the walls as opposed to really expensive high end stuff. My current home audio equipment consists of a Yamaha pre-amp, NAD 2200 power amp powering two Pioneer HPM 100s and two Cerwin Vega E-712 towers. My living room is approximately 28x30+ with a 16 ft vaulted ceiling (really open and odd shape) and this setup fills the large open room and is good base-wise when you sit in the immediate living area. Not having a wife I have the benefit of using my living room however I want instead of a basement! I also have Carver and Yamaha amps, two Gemini ASBLU-15LT PA speakers/built in 2000 watt amp combos at my disposal, and some other speakers.

But this isn't about that.

I have a 23x47 = 1,081 sq. foot commercial space I'm turning into an event center/private club and want concert level sound/feel and video/lights. I will also be able to stay there when I want. Right now the ceiling and old walls have been demo'd so it's basically a blank slate, with open walls and ceiling. The ceiling is currently 9'6" and I looked into raising the roof 3-4 feet and it would cost over $50,000 so no. It's going to have to work with a 9'6" to 10' ceiling. I have so many questions in areas I have little knowledge in. Below is a diagram of the layout, the bar is already there. A separate bedroom and storage room are behind the stage, but I'm only concerned with the home theatre part.


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Areas of questions include:

Sound proofing: the front wall -closest neighbor is about 75 yards away across the street
Speaker Wiring, type and max distance
Wireless HDMI for about 6-8 TVs
Wireless cable TV or DirecTV
Projectors vs TVs
Patch together what audio I have/with a new sub, or get concert equipment
DMX Concert lighting combined with video and traditional lighting
One audio/video source going into three amps
Different video for different TVS
Power for 1) audio/video, 2)lighting, 3) all other stuff I assume different runs for each?
Do you plan to install seating and a proper recliner/couch, or just treat this as an open area?

How many viewers?

Do you have a budget in mind?

How many channels of audio are you looking for?
 

Lake Jon

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Do you plan to install seating and a proper recliner/couch, or just treat this as an open area?

How many viewers?

Do you have a budget in mind?

How many channels of audio are you looking for?

Yes, sofas, sectionals, love seats, tables/chairs, bar height tables/stools a variety

1 to 70

nope, but casual not extravagant

youtube/netflix/blue ray/dvd
 

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I'll try to address your questions one by one.

Sound proofing: the front wall -closest neighbor is about 75 yards away across the street
- Look at the soundproofing company. You can use a combination of green blue/double drywall if you need to do anything significant. Depends how loud you plan to listen. The more bass, the more isolation required.

Speaker Wiring, type and max distance
- I'd aim for 12ga so you can run whatever length is needed up to 150ft or more

Wireless HDMI for about 6-8 TVs
- Wireless HDMI is a nonstarter. Go with HDBaseT or optical HDMI cables with a distribution switch. Monoprice sells most of this gear.

Wireless cable TV or DirecTV
- Up to you. I'd probably base it on cost. Whatever you pick should support multiple TV's.

Projectors vs TVs
- I'd suggest a combo. Perhaps 1-2 projectors with high light output for larger screens and a few TVs also. Check out the 5000+ lumen options from BenQ, Epson etc.

Patch together what audio I have/with a new sub, or get concert equipment
- What do you have? For this sort of space I'd recommend pro amps (Crown/QSC) and some sort of sound reinforcement type speakers from a vendor like JTR or Power Sound Audio. https://www.jtrspeakers.com/pro-audio

DMX Concert lighting combined with video and traditional lighting
- Not much of a lighting guy. @Wayne A. Pflughaupt might have some input here.

One audio/video source going into three amps
- This is no problem, you'll need an AV processor no matter what. Something like a Marantz AV8805 or similar.

Different video for different TVS
- HDBaseT distribution system will typically handle routing of sources to displays. Something like this: https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=27842

Power for 1) audio/video, 2)lighting, 3) all other stuff I assume different runs for each
- Generally yes. Power amps should all be on a 30A or 2 20A circuits. The rest of the equipment isn't as critical.
 

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I'll try to respond, but there are some things/links you mentioned I've got to check out.

Soundproofing I'll probably pass and just get the best drywall. The best 5/8 drywall is $11, but soundproof is $53 a sheet.

12 ga for any runs over 50 ft

No wireless for anything

For the TVs my current plan is one projector;
ViewSonic PX800HD 1080p Ultra-Short Throw Home Entertainment Projector
Multiple 43" screens, 1-2 small screens

I'll have a smart Blue Ray? HDMI output and regular cable HDMI going into an HDMI splitter. The single output of the splitter will go into an HDMI to Ethernet converter/splitter/extender like below
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The current audio I have is above. I'm just going to have to get this all built and set up and see if more power/speakers are needed. I've got multiple places so nothing will be wasted, it's just a matter of what goes in what space/house.

The second HDMI output from the smart blue ray player will be for audio. I'll convert the HDMI to RCA, then split the RCA 4 ways into 2 amps and the 2 Geminis.

Thats the rough plan. I'm sure a lot of testing and some modifications will be involved.
 

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