Kyrsten Brad
Senior HTF Member
First time viewing now, roadshow version.
Nice way to spend a stormy Florida afternoon.
Nice way to spend a stormy Florida afternoon.
It might have been in this thread but it The Rich Man's Frug out of sync?
An update...
I ended up buying the Kino Lorber SWEET CHARITY even though I though the French release (and my hybrid putting back the entr'acte and exit music) would suffice. Some observations:
* The scene missing from the DVD is back in the "roadshow" version, but it is NOT in the alternate version. I'm assuming a reel from the shorter cut was used when making the DVD and that would explain its absence. The scene is presented here:
* The sound synchronization on the last two sections of Rich Man's Frug look perfect on Kino's release whereas those same sections are off a bit on the French Blu-ray.
* The new commentary track is only on the shorter alternate cut of the film. The commentator makes no more of the extended dialogue scene missing on that cut.
* The trailer and bonus vintage featurettes are the same standard definition, dot crawl filled transfers as were on the DVD.
* The intermission card created for video stays on the screen for nearly 30 seconds with no audio. As the entr'acte is missing, the audio suddenly fades in as the second half of the film begins.
* The gate weave that has always been in the opening credits has been stabilized.
* Opticals still stick out but the difference between them and the surrounding footage is less pronounced when compared to prior releases.
* The contrast for the feature is a bit lighter, revealing a bit more to see in the darker areas of the frame and black costumes.
* The feature has a less gritty look now, which is pleasing and subtle. The grain is now quite slight and the lower contrast reveals a bit more details in the costumes. Solid colors (like the hot red background during The Rich Man's Frug sequence) no longer have the noticeable swimming grain breaking up the hue as before.
An update...
I ended up buying the Kino Lorber SWEET CHARITY even though I though the French release (and my hybrid putting back the entr'acte and exit music) would suffice. Some observations:
* The scene missing from the DVD is back in the "roadshow" version, but it is NOT in the alternate version. I'm assuming a reel from the shorter cut was used when making the DVD and that would explain its absence. The scene is presented here:
* The sound synchronization on the last two sections of Rich Man's Frug look perfect on Kino's release whereas those same sections are off a bit on the French Blu-ray.
* The new commentary track is only on the shorter alternate cut of the film. The commentator makes no more of the extended dialogue scene missing on that cut.
* The trailer and bonus vintage featurettes are the same standard definition, dot crawl filled transfers as were on the DVD.
* The intermission card created for video stays on the screen for nearly 30 seconds with no audio. As the entr'acte is missing, the audio suddenly fades in as the second half of the film begins.
* The gate weave that has always been in the opening credits has been stabilized.
* Opticals still stick out but the difference between them and the surrounding footage is less pronounced when compared to prior releases.
* The contrast for the feature is a bit lighter, revealing a bit more to see in the darker areas of the frame and black costumes.
* The feature has a less gritty look now, which is pleasing and subtle. The grain is now quite slight and the lower contrast reveals a bit more details in the costumes. Solid colors (like the hot red background during The Rich Man's Frug sequence) no longer have the noticeable swimming grain breaking up the hue as before.
I watched this on our “everyday” TV which only has a sound bar, and noticed no deficiency in the sound what so ever. Now, lately we have been going to bed too late. I start a movie, and my wife, who is only 1/2 watching anyway, falls asleep. Then I put the sound way down and turn on the subtitles. Perhaps that was also the case this time, so I didn’t notice.I find it astonishing that you don't mention the lower than low sound - it's so obviously botched. Yes, you can turn it up about 10db and it will match the French Blu or any other movie, but something clearly went wrong and no QC was done at all.
I watched this on our “everyday” TV which only has a sound bar, and noticed no deficiency in the sound what so ever. Now, lately we have been going to bed too late. I start a movie, and my wife, who is only 1/2 watching anyway, falls asleep. Then I put the sound way down and turn on the subtitles. Perhaps that was also the case this time, so I didn’t notice.
Ya think? Because if you put on any other movie and set a comfortable sound level and then put on this disc if you don't notice it then new ears are in order - it's BLATANT - it's not just a db or two lower - it's TEN db lower.
I’ve gotten to the point with the way that tracks are being mastered, along with some corporate logos, ie the occasional Lionsgate (that comes on way above normal levels) that I no longer look at levels as a norm.
I had no sound issues with “Oklahoma.”Sounds like the volume issues with the Todd-AO version Blu ray 'Oklahoma'.
Perhaps, some of us normally have the volume set higher than others? That may explain why some of us didn't notice such sound issues.I had no sound issues with “Oklahoma.”
I’ve gotten to the point with the way that tracks are being mastered, along with some corporate logos, ie the occasional Lionsgate (that comes on way above normal levels) that I no longer look at levels as a norm. On my system, I’m generally running anywhere from 58-73.
I’ll have to recheck SC, and see where it falls.
Mr. Harris, what is your opinion of the quality of the sound as originally recorded?
I didn't need to adjust my volume when sampling this Blu-ray. It's at the same volume level as when I played "Reap the Wild Wind" this afternoon.There's nothing really wrong with the sound on the Kino other than some person decided to make it ten db lower than most Blu-rays. No reason to do so and perhaps an error, but it's really annoying.
I didn't need to adjust my volume when sampling this Blu-ray. It's at the same volume level as when I played "Reap the Wild Wind" this afternoon.