Why do people hate upgrading DVDs?

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  1. David Ruiz

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    Why do all the people in the world hate upgrading DVDs? Don't you guys *like* to see your favourite movie remastered to LOOK better and SOUND better? There are so many people that are 100% against upgrading their movies, but they are constantly upgrading their speakers, and their TVs! It seems like a waste to upgrade your TV, if the DVD you play on it, is going to look awful, unless you upgrade to the next SPECIAL EDITION or SUPERBIT DVD.

    I for one, LOVE to hear that a movie that I enjoy, is going to be re-mastered. I nearly had a heart-attack, when I heard that "The Net" was going to have a new 16X9 HD Transfer! I went out and got it, immediately. Yes, I had the original DVD, but all I did, was sell it on Ebay. Now, I have my Special Edition DVD that looks and sounds better than the previous one. No harm done!
     
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    Urm, I think that maybe, its that we don't like buying the same movie twice, or even 3 times in some cases. Its a pretty simple explanation: money wasted. And selling on eBay takes effort (however slight), and you never get all your money back.

    Of course you're gonna be pleased that a favourite movie is being re-done, but your pleasure might be diluted by frustration if you only just bought the original inferior disc. Pretty obvious really.
     
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    What some here would like is a clear differentiation between DVDs that are re-released for special features (which I NEVER watch), and DVD's that have a DRASTIC improvement in Sound and Video quality (for the average system...not the high end system.)
     
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    Take Black Hawk Down for an example. We've known for months that Ridley is working on a kick-ass SE, and guess what...they announce a basically bare-bones edition for June. Why can't they just wait a few months and only release the SE.

    As others have pointed it...this has nothing to do with us not wanting our favorite films to be the best DVDs possible, it has to do with the fact that studios are milking our wallets with it.
     
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    Although I have yet to buy a new edition of an older title which I own already (I do have a fandful of SE reissues, but never owned the originals.) I look at getting an SE as upgrading from Windows98 to WindowsXP. Sure, it costs more, but it's better.
    I'm pretty sure Amadeus: SE will be my first re-buy since it's one of my favorite movies of all time. [​IMG]
     
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    Yes, do it right the first time. I don't have money to burn on inferior products. If they can do it properly later, they can do it sooner.
     
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    I think repurchasing favorite movies is just part of the hobby element of the process.

    Just as we all strive for the unreachable goal of a "perfect" Home Theater setup, so, too, do we strive for the "perfect" transfer of one our favorite films.

    The best that any of us can ever hope for is to be temporarily satiated in this regard.

    As long as a new transfer of a favorite movie provides something substantial in the way of additional supplements and/or quality, then I have no problem with a re-purchase.

    In most cases, my first DVD of the title in question was in a form that provided many hours of enjoyment that I wouldn't have had had I waited for the "Upgraded" version.

    Those hours of enjoyment have to be factored in to the true cost of the upgrade.

    "Hours of Enjoyment Provided" + "Dollars accrued from selling the used disc" usually more than equal "An unparalled bargain" for any hobbyist.

    Besides, nobody is forcing anybody to purchase an enhanced version of a favorite film!

    THE BOTTOM LINE is that in most cases this situation represents a "win-win" scenario for both the studio and the consumer.
     
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    Much like the rest of you, I hate the "sneak move". If there's going to be an eventual SE, simply announce it. Those "milder" fans who mainly care about owning the movie can happily pick up that edition, and a specific film's more "hardcore" fans can wait for the "bells and whistles" version.
    If that method is good enough for Cameron Crowe, Christopher Nolan, and Peter Jackson - it's good enough for me.
    "Surprising" fans with an unexpected SE (OOOH, The Mummy Ultimate Special Collector's Edition with new end credits music!) is a cheap, money-grubbing ploy.
     
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    Yah...I think I'm anti most of the Ultimate Edition releases for that reason. They act like it's a fantastic 2 disc set...but the second disc is always a Pan and Scan version of the film...Wow, what an extra.
     
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    For me to poop on. [​IMG]
     
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    I dont mind paying for upgraded discs that are 4-5 yrs old (such as a Batman, Pulp Fiction, etc.) These badly need to be re-done. However, it's when studios, within a year or two, re-release the title is what makes me mad.

    At least Columbia has announced there will be a SE of Black Hawk Down . This gives me the knowledge to make a choice, something most other studios haven't done very well.
     
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    Whilst the want for them to get it right first time is most on my mind, I do appreciate studios like Fox, Disney, Columbia...etc fixing their past mistakes, as it's better late then never in this case. We're not forced to buy the re-issues.

    Universal's Ultimate Editions have been a bit of a farce for the most part, the idea of them bugged me, fixing things that were never broken to begin with. Same can be said for Sony's new MIB and Stuart Little re-issues, quick sequl cash ins like some of Universals UE releases.

    Sony's late descision to do Superbit releases with the extras on a 2nd disc could also be highlighted, but at least it didn't tak so long for them to figure this was a good way to go I guess.

    Dan
     
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    I make a distinction between money grubbing upgrades and needed upgrades. I bought Die Hard and Die Hard 2 fully knowing that one day I would have to buy a better version. I was willing to buy it twice. That's the case with a lot of my non-anamorphic discs. I bought them knowing I'd have to buy them again. Kudos to Fox and other studios for replacing their inferior products.

    What upsets me, like others, are the upgraded discs that aren't needed. I bought the Mummy UE for the DTS track and free movie ticket, but why couldn't they have included the DTS track in the first place? I know the reason - the studio could make more money releasing it later. That's their perogative, but as a consumer I don't have to like it.

    Upgrading discs that don't need to be upgraded diverts valuable studio resources from putting out other titles, especially those from their catalog. That's what upsets me the most.
     
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    In the past I have only upgraded two DVDs...
    - Halloween 4
    Bought the first edition for $12 at Best Buy (Christmas 1999) -> sold it on eBay for $16 (August 2001) -> got limited edition tin for birthday (my mom paid around $23, November 2001).
    - Almost Famous
    Bought the movie-only edition for $19 from DVD Empire (early 2001) -> sold it on eBay for $17 (November 2001) -> bought Bootleg Edition for $25 at DVD Empire (December 2001).
    For Halloween 4 I upgraded for the new anamorphic trasfer (and the craptastic tin) and for Almost Famous I upgraded for the extended cut of the movie (along with all the other extras).
    Sometimes I will not upgrade to a new version. I bought the Goodtimes release of Halloween II back in 1999 for $10 when it's SRP was $24.99 at the time. It would've cost me $20 (double for what it cost for the old version) to get the new version which just included a new transfer. Or the new Starship Troopers DVD. The current DVD imo is pretty damn good, I don't need to upgrade to get a new commentary track, an isolated score, and some featurettes.
    But then there are sometimes when I do feel the need to upgrade (like the upcoming Memento DVD) just cause I love the movie and I want more special features.
     
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    I have the following DVDs which I may have to upgrade, even though I wish I didn't have to...

    Memento

    The Usual Suspects

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