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Billy Batson said:
I was looking at an old 1960 Films & Filming magazine, & it opened at the Metropole on December 7th. It was in the West End for ages, over a year I think, & even then it didn't go on general release, it was released first in various cinemas on hard ticket prices where you could book, that's where I saw it (Odeon Westbourne Grove), I think I still have the souvenir booklet somewhere, but I haven't seen it for a few years. How different today! A film opens in all cinemas from day one, & you know if it's going to be a hit or not after two days. I suppose that's why you don't get so many thoughtful films made, they'll disappear in the blink of an eye.

You made a very important point, IMO, when you said "A film opens in all cinemas from day one, & you know if it's going to be a hit or not after two days." I'm old enough to have experienced the time when the movie studios used to release major films much less widely than today, opening many movies first in major cities, before gradually adding more theater engagements, with movies sometimes not reaching smaller cities and towns until months after their initial release. An exception to that kind of movie marketing, however, was the James Bond series, the films of which, always seemed to open everywhere. But the more gradual kind of release pattern, common in the 1960s, made a movie release seriously vulnerable to being destroyed by bad word of mouth, a risk that today's studios don't want to take. Today, the studios have to worry about the absurd amounts of money invested in even run of the mill films like the sci-fi movie Tomorrowland, which cost about 180 million dollars. Contrast that with 1957's Bridge on the River Kwai which cost 2 to 3 million, even with the bridge taking months to build. 1969's Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid cost $5 million, and even a large production like 1972's The Godfather cost just $6.5 million. (BTW, The Godfather initially opened in only 5 theaters!! I guess Paramount had little fear of bad word of mouth with that one.)


These days, by releasing movies on thousands of screens at once, the studios succeed in greatly minimizing the damage that negative word of mouth could do to their huge investments, because Monday morning when folks in a company's break room are talking about how bad the weekend's new movie release was, it's already too late to warn a lot of people about the stinker, because more than half of the office's regular movie goers probably just paid their admission over the weekend.
 

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This is interesting, as in 1967 the film was cut for reissue to about 161 minutes. I'd bet that rejuvenated prints were shipped.

To me, cutting a movie, then releasing it in a version shorter than its original form, actually constitutes a form of fraud. Because the movie company knows that many paying customers will be drawn to see the movie after friends or family who saw the original release, have recommended it to them. So an unwary new customer is simply not being sold the same product that he had heard so much about. I just think that such a practice is very sad.
 

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To me, cutting a movie, then releasing it in a version shorter than its original form, actually constitutes a form of fraud. Because the movie company knows that many paying customers will be drawn to see the movie after friends or family who saw the original release, have recommended it to them. So an unwary new customer is simply not being sold the same product that he had heard so much about. I just think that such a practice is very sad.
The phrase "now at popular prices," had far more meaning than the words themselves.

The third itineration of Lawrence, was all but unintelligible.

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The phrase "now at popular prices," had far more meaning than the words themselves.

The third itineration of Lawrence, was all but unintelligible.

RAH

Yes, I saw a re-release of Lawrence, (in summer of 1971, I think) that if memory serves, had more

than an hour hacked out of it.
 

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Billy Batson said:
Oh yes I knew that, I was just showing off that I'd found the exact date of the London opening. Funny, but I don't remember the reissue of Spartacus at all. I remember seeing Ben-Hur at the Casino Cinerama in the early seventies (I think) & around that time, Cleopatra at the Odeon Marble Arch.
Me too. Shame the 70 print of Cleo was cut down. I recall the splices going thru.
 

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I travel past the site of the Metropole every weekday and I stall remember going up the box and seeing those lovely
DP70s on a steep rake also I saw the winch they had to use to get the 70mm transit cans up the box.
My favourite memory of the Metropole was El Cid.

I saved up my pocket money for a 7shillings and sixpence front stalls ticket for a Saturday matinee early January just after it had opened.

I went on the tube and in those days you came from below ground right opposite the front of the theatre.

As I walked up the steps to ground level,suddenly the top of the theatre came into view and as you progressed you saw more and more.

The whole front of house, some 2 or 3 stories high, was covered with a massive 3 dimensional logo of the El Cid "mountain " with great golden letters spelling out the title.Visually it was a knock out.

Loved the film too.

To my mind the best epic, even better than Ben, if only just!

Oh for a decent BD.
 

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Yes, I saw a re-release of Lawrence, (in summer of 1971, I think) that if memory serves, had more
than an hour hacked out of it.
35 minutes. Would have seemed like an hour.
 

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The British re-release in 1970 of Lawrence, which ran at the Dominion, Tottenham Court Road, was the 202 minute version that made its debut at the Metropole Victoria on February 7th, 1963. The cuts made in 1970/71 were for the US.

I was at Pinewood working on post production of 'Ryan's Daughter' when David Lean went over to Shepperton Studios to further cut Lawrence for the US only.
 

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Hi Douglas,


Do you remember what UK cinemas this played at.


thanks
Re: Spartacus. The earliest reissue I can find in the UK in 1970 is May 17th, but on the ABC Circuit North London. It shared theaters with "The Adventurers":





Re: The King & I. Reissue was on the ABC Circuit in 1970 on March 8th:


 

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Ha, when I think of all those double bills I grew up watching. I haven't the energy or the inclination to do that these days, it's one film per session...fancy seeing even a cut down Spartacus as part of a double bill, oh dear!
 

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The British re-release in 1970 of Lawrence, which ran at the Dominion, Tottenham Court Road, was the 202 minute version that made its debut at the Metropole Victoria on February 7th, 1963. The cuts made in 1970/71 were for the US.
I was at Pinewood working on post production of 'Ryan's Daughter' when David Lean went over to Shepperton Studios to further cut Lawrence for the US only.
DL agreed to the cuts, being told that they were ONLY for a U.S. television sale. There is actually one very inventive cut, which is an interesting dissolve.

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Billy Batson said:
Ha, when I think of all those double bills I grew up watching. I haven't the energy or the inclination to do that these days, it's one film per session...fancy seeing even a cut down Spartacus as part of a double bill, oh dear!
That wasn't a double bill of SPARTACUS. It meant cinemas were showing special programmes outside the usual weekly run, including THE ADVENTURERS or SPARTACUS.
 

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Stephen PI said:
Re: Spartacus. The earliest reissue I can find in the UK in 1970 is May 17th, but on the ABC Circuit North London. It shared theaters with "The Adventurers":

Yes, That confirms what I said that SPARTACUS had a wide reissue in 1970, although I'm sure that most showings throughout the country were on the Rank circuit (especially the 70mm ones). ABC obviously also had selected showings in 35mm in the London suburbs. My memory is that the film was not cut for that reissue.
 

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"I'm Spartacus" Spartacus (1960) on itv4

PCM Dolby Stereo matrix - P/S no scope justice for films on this channel.


Hard to say what print not seen any reel change over dots, thou that would be rare as most are like DVD or bluray copies on tv today.


Colour wise it doesn't look distracting just the P/S that bothers me in this day-age of digital tv its still like watching analog broadcasts. The more things change. The more they stay the same.


Sound Dolby Stereo. I can hear the dialogue pans over matched LCR.


Details on the channel

Running time 3hrs 50mins.


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It's the same as the awful blu ray, colours off, lack of fine detail and edge enhancement, anyway Andy as already, countless times, pointed out to you, although you refuse to understand and prefer to take the mick, calibration of your greyscale and colours are important or you will see things wrongly, for example you may see blue tints in white light or other such issues.

andySu said:
Colour wise it doesn't look distracting just the P/S that bothers me in this day-age of digital tv its still like watching analog broadcasts. The more things change. The more they stay the same.
 

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Cool with way the string movement is playing when the Dolby Stereo SR logo appears. My cat liked it had best seat in the house and didn't complain.


The scene that makes me cry is when all of Spartacus men stand up, "I'm Spartacus!"


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It's the same as the awful blu ray, colours off, lack of fine detail and edge enhancement, anyway Andy as already, countless times, pointed out to you, although you refuse to understand and prefer to take the mick, calibration of your greyscale and colours are important or you will see things wrongly, for example you may see blue tints in white light or other such issues.
The greyscale is not really the main issue if you watch that cropped itv4 version instead of the upcoming reference quality Blu-ray.
 

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The greyscale is not really the main issue if you watch that cropped itv4 version instead of the upcoming reference quality Blu-ray.

The calibration part is more a reference to other titles and Andy knows what i mean, it's in regards to a conversation we had.
 

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andySu said:
Cool with way the string movement is playing when the Dolby Stereo SR logo appears. My cat liked it had best seat in the house and didn't complain.


The scene that makes me cry is when all of Spartacus men stand up, "I'm Spartacus!"


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Absolutely! "I'm Spartacus" is one of my all-time favorite scenes.
 
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