HowardGjr
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Damn, I can't believe I caught this Home Theater Bug. I really was just going to buy the Bose Lifestyle system. :b
Given the equipment in my system, my upgrade plans, and my constraints, should I go with the the Integra 6.3 or the Outlaw 950/755 combination? Which will it sound better with my system? Which will work better with my proposed updates? Any help is appreciated.
If you have any other comments about my proposed setup, let me know.
First, I know it's a strange comparison, but, I'm a newbie so please bear with me.
Background:
I've heard/seen all of the individual pieces in my setup. However, I've yet to experience them together. I initially picked Integra over Yahmaha because I liked the sound of the 6.2 better (yes the rooms were different and so was the speaker system but you've got to start somewhere). I had read that the Denon setup and operation are somewhat difficult because of the remote. Since my wife made me swear that she would be able to at least watch TV on the system before giving me the go ahead on the purchase, I shied away from the Denon.
I originally planned to buy the Integra 6.2 but a friendly HTF (Selden Ball) member pointed out that the 6.2's fixed crossover wouldn't work very well in my system and that I couldn't route the preamp outputs through the ICBM and back through the receivers amplifier section like I had planned. What's a little feedback loop between friends. :b
Thanks for the help Selden.
You'll see from my equipment list that the system is somewhat biased toward music. As I was demoing equipment, most of the systems in my price range handled the HT task very well. However, I did notice a difference when I played music.
Issues and Constraints:
1. My wife has to be able to operate it.
2. The speakers needed to be "invisible." No black boxes need apply. (WAF). I compared a lot of sattelite systems and liked the gallo the best.
3. My upgrade includes the possible purchase of 4 Ohm speakers (Gallo Due).
4. Price is not hyper critical, but I prefer spending less over more . Of course, the pre/pro amp combination is more expensive.
5. I really like Outlaw's technical support. Scott has answered all my questions in less than a couple of hours. For some reason, I seemed to get more information from HTF then Onkyo's support.
6. I'd like to have receiver before 2010.
Room:
It's a relatively small room 15x14x9 (roughly -- it's not very rectangular). The walls are plaster over wood lathe. The room has lots of upholstered furniture and a very large bay window (fabric window treatments) with window seat, Berber carpet floors. TV sits in an 8 foot wide notch (floor to ceiling). I'm guessing it used to be either a "walk-in" fireplace.
Equipment and the room:
1. 5 Gallo Micros with 1 passive subwoofer acting as a woofer for front L/R. FWIW...the passive subwoofer combination with the micros sounds much better than the active subwoofer for music to my ears. This configuration also gives me the benefit of placing the relatively unobtrusive passive subwoofer between L/R channels. Since the crossover point for the micros is 120 HZ, I'm concerned that putting just a powered subwoofer off in the corner might REALLY muddy up the directional bass frequencies.
Micros will be mounted on walls except for center channel. It will sit atop the entertainment center housing the TV.
2. 1 MPS 150 Powered Subwoofer. Since I have the passive subwoofer, this is dedicated to the LFE channel and bass from the rear channels. If I find with multi-channel music, I don't like the MPS 150, I'll just go get another passive subwoofer. Initial plan is to corner load this subwoofer and use it primarily for HT effects.
3. Integra DVD 7.2 w/ DVD Audio. Still, not sure how to deal with having both SACD and DVD Audio. Wiring a "zillion" cables into a switchbox or the Sony TAP9000ES doesn't seem like a very elegant solution. If I go with a receiver, this device will probably be only used as a DVD Player not as a DVD Audio player.
4. Sony Wega 32" TV. Works great and it's all that will really fit.
5. Sony SCD-555ES. On order. Sounded great in store. Let's me load up 5 CD's worth of music. Less strain on DVD player. SACD.
6. Older Technics (circa 1982) Turntable -- Not sure whether or not it's worth it to add this to the mix. Didn't think to find model number.
7. IR Repeater stuff -- equipment is not located in the entertainment center. It'll be stored in a rack (Salamander?) in the back of the room.
8. Dedicated 20 amp circuit installed for HT.
9. Sony VCR. Don't remember the model number.
10. Cabling: Haven't purchased it yet probably the belden/Canare stuff. Probably go with Rhino Cables.
11. Speaker Wire: Leaning toward the 12 Ga Sound King Parts Express stuff with banana plugs.
12. Home Entertainment Center. Houses TV and holds VCR Tapes, DVDs etc...Doesn't contain any audio equipment.
13. Radio Shack Analog SPL and Avia disk.
Possible Purchase:
1. Passive subwoofer to support rear channel. Do the rear channel's get a lot of bass information?
2. Sony TA-9000ES or a multi-channel audio switchbox I saw in a thread in HTF.
3. Salamander Synergy Rack -- well I'll definitely be buying some kind of rack.
Upgrade Plan:
1. Move to Plasma display within next 2 years.
2. Upgrade front speakers to Gallo Due' -- better frequency response at high end. Sounded better than micros after a
short audition but not quite as invisible (to the eye).
3. Replace Receiver/Pre Pro as necessary as formats change.
4. Possibly replace powered Sub with SVS Sub.
5. Once plasma display is in place, I might be able to convince my wife that w/o the "home entertainment center" and be able to go with bigger speakers.
Given the equipment in my system, my upgrade plans, and my constraints, should I go with the the Integra 6.3 or the Outlaw 950/755 combination? Which will it sound better with my system? Which will work better with my proposed updates? Any help is appreciated.
If you have any other comments about my proposed setup, let me know.
First, I know it's a strange comparison, but, I'm a newbie so please bear with me.
Background:
I've heard/seen all of the individual pieces in my setup. However, I've yet to experience them together. I initially picked Integra over Yahmaha because I liked the sound of the 6.2 better (yes the rooms were different and so was the speaker system but you've got to start somewhere). I had read that the Denon setup and operation are somewhat difficult because of the remote. Since my wife made me swear that she would be able to at least watch TV on the system before giving me the go ahead on the purchase, I shied away from the Denon.
I originally planned to buy the Integra 6.2 but a friendly HTF (Selden Ball) member pointed out that the 6.2's fixed crossover wouldn't work very well in my system and that I couldn't route the preamp outputs through the ICBM and back through the receivers amplifier section like I had planned. What's a little feedback loop between friends. :b
Thanks for the help Selden.
You'll see from my equipment list that the system is somewhat biased toward music. As I was demoing equipment, most of the systems in my price range handled the HT task very well. However, I did notice a difference when I played music.
Issues and Constraints:
1. My wife has to be able to operate it.
2. The speakers needed to be "invisible." No black boxes need apply. (WAF). I compared a lot of sattelite systems and liked the gallo the best.
3. My upgrade includes the possible purchase of 4 Ohm speakers (Gallo Due).
4. Price is not hyper critical, but I prefer spending less over more . Of course, the pre/pro amp combination is more expensive.
5. I really like Outlaw's technical support. Scott has answered all my questions in less than a couple of hours. For some reason, I seemed to get more information from HTF then Onkyo's support.
6. I'd like to have receiver before 2010.
Room:
It's a relatively small room 15x14x9 (roughly -- it's not very rectangular). The walls are plaster over wood lathe. The room has lots of upholstered furniture and a very large bay window (fabric window treatments) with window seat, Berber carpet floors. TV sits in an 8 foot wide notch (floor to ceiling). I'm guessing it used to be either a "walk-in" fireplace.
Equipment and the room:
1. 5 Gallo Micros with 1 passive subwoofer acting as a woofer for front L/R. FWIW...the passive subwoofer combination with the micros sounds much better than the active subwoofer for music to my ears. This configuration also gives me the benefit of placing the relatively unobtrusive passive subwoofer between L/R channels. Since the crossover point for the micros is 120 HZ, I'm concerned that putting just a powered subwoofer off in the corner might REALLY muddy up the directional bass frequencies.
Micros will be mounted on walls except for center channel. It will sit atop the entertainment center housing the TV.
2. 1 MPS 150 Powered Subwoofer. Since I have the passive subwoofer, this is dedicated to the LFE channel and bass from the rear channels. If I find with multi-channel music, I don't like the MPS 150, I'll just go get another passive subwoofer. Initial plan is to corner load this subwoofer and use it primarily for HT effects.
3. Integra DVD 7.2 w/ DVD Audio. Still, not sure how to deal with having both SACD and DVD Audio. Wiring a "zillion" cables into a switchbox or the Sony TAP9000ES doesn't seem like a very elegant solution. If I go with a receiver, this device will probably be only used as a DVD Player not as a DVD Audio player.
4. Sony Wega 32" TV. Works great and it's all that will really fit.
5. Sony SCD-555ES. On order. Sounded great in store. Let's me load up 5 CD's worth of music. Less strain on DVD player. SACD.
6. Older Technics (circa 1982) Turntable -- Not sure whether or not it's worth it to add this to the mix. Didn't think to find model number.
7. IR Repeater stuff -- equipment is not located in the entertainment center. It'll be stored in a rack (Salamander?) in the back of the room.
8. Dedicated 20 amp circuit installed for HT.
9. Sony VCR. Don't remember the model number.
10. Cabling: Haven't purchased it yet probably the belden/Canare stuff. Probably go with Rhino Cables.
11. Speaker Wire: Leaning toward the 12 Ga Sound King Parts Express stuff with banana plugs.
12. Home Entertainment Center. Houses TV and holds VCR Tapes, DVDs etc...Doesn't contain any audio equipment.
13. Radio Shack Analog SPL and Avia disk.
Possible Purchase:
1. Passive subwoofer to support rear channel. Do the rear channel's get a lot of bass information?
2. Sony TA-9000ES or a multi-channel audio switchbox I saw in a thread in HTF.
3. Salamander Synergy Rack -- well I'll definitely be buying some kind of rack.
Upgrade Plan:
1. Move to Plasma display within next 2 years.
2. Upgrade front speakers to Gallo Due' -- better frequency response at high end. Sounded better than micros after a
short audition but not quite as invisible (to the eye).
3. Replace Receiver/Pre Pro as necessary as formats change.
4. Possibly replace powered Sub with SVS Sub.
5. Once plasma display is in place, I might be able to convince my wife that w/o the "home entertainment center" and be able to go with bigger speakers.