Jesse Leonard
Second Unit
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I have seen several different order preferences on different Prisoner fan sites. Is there a "correct" order?
The other episodes are patchy in quality, and add little to the overall narrative.
I must say old chap, but that's a wee bit harsh don't you think?
Yes, a few already mentioned episodes are a bit "pathcy," and as I stated previously, "ridiculous," but overall, every episode adds to the series' mythos and constitute the sum of the Prisoner universe in all its brilliant, goofy, frustrating, "ridiculous" glory.
Prisoner is one of my top 5 TV series of all time, but even so, I have many criticisms of the show, but still accept it as a flawed masterpiece, and would not leave one episode out of my collection.
My biggest fault with the series is that it was written into a corner, requiring an ending that means nothing and everything all at once. Ambiguity is fine, but the last episode, "Fall Out," IMO never lives up to the brilliant set up of "Once Upon a Time." In many ways it seems like a missed opportunity to me for reasons I can never quite articulate or reconcile (which McGoohan would probably say, "...is the point," but that is still a waaayyyay too pat answer for my humble intellect).
I've simply decided that "Once Upon a Time" tells us that the story of the Prisoner is nothing more than a fairy tale, and therefore, the last episode does not have to be grounded in any particular vein of "classical" reality or make logical sense.
However, one does often wonder, is the butler is related to the dancing small person (trying to be PC for any overly sensitive forum members) in the Black Lodge of Twin Peaks?
it's far easier to follow what's going on. The other episodes are patchy in quality, and add little to the overall narrative.
Cheers,
Joseph
The notion of filtering out 'unnecessary' episodes for sake of academic cohesion and aherence to the show's main theme strikes me as a little bit like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
In McGoohan's list order, which I respectfully accept as his vision of the episodes that "really count," I see nothing more than him attempting to get at the answer of what the Prisoner is all about. After all, he created it and he knows what is what.
That said, I am also glad that the show ran 17 entertaining (for the most part [and far more than anything currently on the telly]) episodes. As I said above, I would not leave one out of my collection.
However, my idea of putting the core episodes on one disc was only offered to get new viewers into the fold and interested in experiencing the entire series, while at the same time honoring McGoohan's orginal intent.
This proposal leaves only winners, and I see no downside. As things currently stand, people can choose to watch or not watch. A collection or "filtering" down to core episodes is only one option of "Many Happy Returns" to a television materpiece.
P.S.: Has anyone noticed that the green smiley face looks a little like Mickey Rooney in "Breakfast at Tiffany's?"
I bet this guy was a big fan of the idea that they were always dead on “Lost”.I think the official site is: http://www.netreach.net/~sixofone/
There are umpteen theories about what The Prisoner is about. The first time you watch them, I'd suggest you try to do it without reading up on it too much and try to decide for yourself.
If you want a 'quick fix', then the following explanations are amongst those advanced over the years:
(1) the Prisoner is a spy (possibly the character John Drake from and earlier series starring McGoohan called 'Danger Man' who has been placed in a camp for ex-spies because he knows too much.
(2) the Prisoner has gone mad and it's one long psychotic episode
(3) the Prisoner is in fact the one testing the others who think they're in control
(4) the Prisoner has no coherent explanation because the series had to be finished at great speed, preventing McGoohan from wrapping things up properly
(5) like Tristram Shandy, the whole thing is a great big shaggy dog story which is intentionally inexplicable
(6) my own hunch is that the Prisoner is killed right at the start, and the episodes represent his dying thoughts. The Prisoner was a spy who resigned (presumably over a matter of principle) who is then killed because he knew too much. In his dying moments he enters a journey of self-discovery, first asking what others know of him, before addressing the more important issue of who he really is as a person. There are reasons for thinking this:
(a) the title shot could represent his death (maybe the undertakers are literal)
(b) the production company was called 'Everyman' - there is a well-known mediaeval poem of this title all about the thoughts of a dying man
(c) a popular near-contemporary novel was William Golding's 'Pincher Martin', all about a shipwrecked sailor - at the end of the novel it turns out that his elabourate thoughts of living on an island are his dying thoughts as he drowns. Patrick McGoohan is an intelligent, spiritual man, and both this point and (b) would be known to him.
(d) at one point, one of the interrogators tells the Prisoner he's dead.
(e) the final episode is full of Freudian imagery as the Prisoner attempts to at last discover himself as opposed to the previous episodes where others have tried to discover not him, but the information he holds. E.g. there is the trial, with the black and white masked jury, representing the absolute judgements of the superego; and the gorilla lurking underneath the surface represents the id. In the middle is the Prisoner himself, representing the ego trying to balance the id and superego. In the end he rises above this, and thus comes back to where he started in his own home - i.e. his period of fantasy has ended, and he can now die in spiritual peace.
I realise this is as daft as the other explanations, but at least it is internally consistent, since no matter what happens in the episodes it can be explained as dying thoughts, which don't have to be either consistent or make sense.
Incidentally, the last explanation is also the only one which I've ever known Patrick McGoohan avoid addressing in an interview. I'll be v. happy to be corrected on this, since it'll stop me boring people at parties.