Star Wars: The Onkyo Menace.

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  1. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

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    Hey Folks,
    Well I went to work last night and when I opened my locker
    there was a tray full of home made cookies and a present
    from my co-worker (she treats me too good!) I unwrapped the
    present and woo hoo it's TPM on DVD! [​IMG]
    I saw TPM on VHS a while ago and to say it was lacking would
    be an understatement. How did we watch movies before DVD?
    So I loaded the movie and kicked back this morning and now I
    can see why some are hailing this DVD as "The Sub Killer"
    That THX Intro is nuts!
    I eventualy had to go into my 787's Bass management and turn
    the bass down because I couldn't keep my Receiver from kicking
    off every time there was a explosion or something (every 5
    seconds or so! [​IMG]
    I NEED more power.. And WOW what a DVD!
     
  2. Patrick Sun

    Patrick Sun Studio Mogul

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    Actually, that DVD is recorded low, I have to boost my overall volume to get decent volume levels in the room.

    The true sub-killer is the DD LD version of TPM.
     
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    You are correct Patrick.

    The LD rocks!!!
     
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    Ummm... ok none of you guys have mentioned this as yet but Brett.... you didn't HAVE TPM on DVD ALREADY??

    I guess there always has to be a first...
     
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    Actually, I've heard the DVD has lower bass info than the LD by far. I thought TPM DVD was the best DD track I've ever heard.
     
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    Dustin B Producer

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    Yes Brett. Where's the sub? That intro is something entirely different with a sub that can produce sub 20hz at a reasonable volume.

    Time to get cracking on a Tempest Sonosub or a monster BP1803 :p)
     
  8. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

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    Hey fellas... I have 2 subs capable of 100+ Decibels @ 32Hz
    They just need to be driven properly! And I swear even with
    the small amount of power I am sending to them, they sure
    seem like they go lower than 32Hz (Thought probably at a low
    decibel level)
    I will eventualy get a dedicated sub but not untill I get my
    4 monoblock amps and a tube preamp first.. I am going to
    work on the music side of the system first. For movies I can
    live with it the way it is "for now" [​IMG]
    As for LD's I have no idea I never did and do not plan on
    getting involved with that media. It's nice to know the movie
    producers are still making new releases available on LD
    because with the way DVD has taken over and become the
    standard I am suprised they didn't ditch LD all together.
    You know they usualy put out what they think they can sell
    the most of.. It's refreshing to see that this is not the
    case entirely with LD's or at least for now anyway.
     
  9. Dustin B

    Dustin B Producer

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    I'm 99% sure you will hear a night and day difference between the two 10" drivers in your AR9 mains and a ported EBS Tempest. A Tempest with an AVA250 could be built for less than $500 USD and provide you over 105dB down to 18hz at your listening position.

    For reference the Klipsch RF-7 towers have two 10" drivers in them (and list the same 32hz-20khz rating your AR9 does). Recently the same 10" drivers that are in those towers were available at Parts Exrpess so I got to see there T/S specs. Needless to say there high excursion 10 inch was anything but. It would have taken 10 of those drivers to equal one Tempest above 30hz and it wouldn't have mattered how many you had below 30hz. I would think it's a save bet that the AR9 10"ers are similar.

    Have you measured 100 dB at 32 hz? If you personally have I'll believe it, if you are going off manufacture specs then I highly doubt they actually can.

    Not to knock the AR9 (I wish I had them for mains) but given your equipment I'd be after a sub before the monoblocks. If you let the sub take over the
     
  10. Brett DiMichele

    Brett DiMichele Producer

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    Dustin,
    No I have not personaly measured them to be 100DB @ 32Hz
    but in a prior sub related post, Towers Vs. Subs Tom V of
    SVS posted test specs of subs and towers and the AR9 lived
    up to the manufactuers specs 100% producing 100 DB at 32..
    Astounding if you ask me.. I have some bass tracks that sweep
    as low as 15Hz and while I will never say these are capeable
    of lows, that low.. I will say I beleive they dip down below
    32Hz and like I said above, even if they dipped down to say
    29Hz I am sure it would only be 50Db if that..
    But for now they do quite well but they need alot more power
    that what my 787 can serve them with. I assumed because Onkyo
    has a High Current Amp and because they do tend to rare thier
    Receivers close to thier actual output that 100w would be
    adequate to drive my AR9's. And I have to say that it is
    adequate for all but the most intense of sound tracks.
    My plans are to go with 4 monoblocks for music only and add
    a powered sub for H/T and music. I am sticking with AR which
    for $500.00 gets me the ARS500 which is the 500 Watt RMS
    Carver Sunfire amp coupled with a high excursion 15" in a
    dual slot loaded cabinent. AR claims 18Hz for this sub and
    if they are right (they were with the AR9's) then that's a
    hell of a sub for 5 bills.
    And as for the high excursion part, Thier subs do move.. I
    should pull a sub out and measure the excursion.. It's no
    Shiva but the sucker moves [​IMG]
     

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