Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse (1 Viewer)

[Alex...]

Storyboard art and a bit of a spoiler as well

Spoiler

 

[TonyD]

Guess I’ll block that Twitter account. Took a quick glance and looks like it’s loaded with spoilers.

 

[Jake Lipson]

I deleted my Twitter account shortly after it changed ownership last year, so I don't need to block it. I'm not going to look behind Alex's spoiler. However, I do think it's especially weird for people on places like Twitter to be posting spoilers for a movie that apparently has a lot of work left to be done and doesn't have a release date right now. I understand some people want to know what happens next and if spoilers are their thing, that's fine. But the movie isn't even coming particularly soon as far as we know. It's a shame the filmmakers can't just work on the movie without worrying about these kind of leaks.

 

[Alex...]

 

[Jake Lipson]

Respectfully, I'll believe that when news like it comes from legitimate sources. That feels like clickbait.

We know these films take a long time to make. The filmmakers are in the process of making it. I don't see any reason to be concerned at this point.

 

[Jake Lipson]

Chris Miller and Daniel Pemberton felt the need to respond to that clickbait from yesterday. It is false.

‘Spider-Verse’ Producer Chris Miller Denies Report That Sony ‘Scrapped Most’ of Third Film: ‘The Reels Are Coming Along Nicely’

'Spider-Verse' producer Chris Miller is hitting back at a report that most of the third film, 'Beyond the Spider-Verse,' had been 'scrapped' by Sony.

variety.com

 

[Sam Favate]

Why do people invent these kinds of lies? What's the purpose? To be mischievous? Malicious? I don't get it.

 

[Jake Lipson]

What's the purpose?

Because people will click on the link, which will generate traffic and revenue to the website. People saw the article and talked about it, so the clickbait worked. The fact that the filmmakers felt the need to respond to it speaks to how widely the faulty information spread so quickly. That's why it is important to consider the source of the information and why I called it out for being clickbait yesterday.

There was another rumor a while back that Disney was refusing to take the Russo Brothers' calls and would not work with them again. That got traction too. Then they came out at Comic-Con and were announced as the directors of the new Avengers films. But people still clicked on that junk that said Disney wouldn't take their calls, which is still a victory for the site that posted that garbage.

 

[Desslar]

I liked the first film (still need to see the second). Even though this rumor was false, I actually wouldn't mind if they set aside the multiverse gimmick and just gave us a straight up Spiderman story.

 

[Edwin-S]

I liked the first film (still need to see the second). Even though this rumor was false, I actually wouldn't mind if they set aside the multiverse gimmick and just gave us a straight up Spiderman story.

It's not a gimmick if the vehicle is instrumental to the story and, in the case of these films, it is a major part of the stories being told.

 

[Sean Bryan]

I actually wouldn't mind if they set aside the multiverse gimmick and just gave us a straight up Spiderman story.

That would make no sense based on the story they have been telling over the first two movies.

 

[Josh Steinberg]

Why do people invent these kinds of lies? What's the purpose? To be mischievous? Malicious? I don't get it.

The news business was tremendously hurt by the rise of the internet - the kind of daily trade papers (Variety, etc) and weekly/monthly magazines (Entertainment Weekly, Premiere, etc) used the combination of issue sales and advertising to pay for quality journalism. That revenue has largely dried up.

One of the only mechanisms left for monetizing journalism is internet ad sales. To oversimplify, the advertisers you see on any webpage pay the website a fraction of a cent each time a page they appear on is clicked.

This has caused publishers to seek out clicks to their pages above all else because that’s the sole source of revenue. And the way to get people to click on things they might otherwise not is to provide headlines that seem so urgent that your brain’s discretion filter is overridden by your desire to see what’s on the other side of the link. Negative stories and things that provoke outrage and arguments generally draw more attention than positive stories and reasonable takes on a situation.

Combine that with the lack of funds to pay journalists to develop relationships with sources and take time to properly research and vet stories, and you wind up with what we have now: a race to the bottom to get people to press a button.

The people whose salaries depend on that button being pushed can no longer afford to care about anything at all other than getting you to press it. Every hour of every day, these sites are paying a very small number of people to trawl social media for things that might get attention, and then those people take that Twitter or Facebook or TikTok post, have an AI chatbot turn it into something that looks like an article, add an incendiary headline, and publish it.

These sites are so prevalent that they drown out actual journalistic sources and have become the key source of information for vast numbers of people across the globe, most of whom are unaware that they’re not reading well sourced, well researched, verified stories. Our informational ecosystem is in tatters. This is a huge problem across the world that is only getting worse as it fuels misinformation, disinformation, division, anger and hatred across the globe.

There’s a lot of blame to go around. The people who perpetuate these sites deserve a lot of it. But the general public that used to pay fifty cents a day for a newspaper or a dollar a week for a magazine, who are now unwilling to spend a cent on quality information, also share some blame.

 

[Desslar]

It's not a gimmick if the vehicle is instrumental to the story and, in the case of these films, it is a major part of the stories being told.

That's fine. I'm just saying once that story is done, let's have a single reality Spider-man story.

 

[Jake Lipson]

The vast majority of the first hour or so of Across the Spider-Verse is a single reality Spider-Man story with Miles. It takes a while for the multiverse hopping to begin in earnest.

I do think that the multiverse is a significant part of the appeal of these movies, as opposed to the various live-action ones Sony has done. (No Way Home is an exception.)

 

[Adam Lenhardt]

That's fine. I'm just saying once that story is done, let's have a single reality Spider-man story.

I'm hoping that the next live-action Spider-Man movie will be set in a single reality, but my guess is that if Beyond the Spider-Verse is not the end for this iteration of Spider-Man, the multiverse is still going to play some role.

For one thing, Spider-Gwen is Miles's main love interest, and she's from another universe. Likewise, his mentor Peter B. Parker is also from another universe (that is pretty akin to the MC2 universe in the comics).

 

[Jake Lipson]

if Beyond the Spider-Verse is not the end for this iteration of Spider-Man

As a disclaimer, I can't source this, and my memory might not be exact. I'm definitely paraphrasing from memory, which should not be taken as gospel. Like I said, it's always important to consider the source, including when the source is a post of mine.

That being said, I remember someone on the filmmaking team saying they intended it as a trilogy during some interview last year during press for Across. Maybe it was Lord or Miller. I think it probably was. Anyway, I think they are indeed looking at Beyond as the conclusion of this iteration.

Of course, what Lord and Miller want and what Sony wants might be two different things. Sony, of course, owns the property.

 

[Adam Lenhardt]

I seem to remember something about a female-led spinoff directed by Lauren Montgomery and written by Bek Smith, which would make Hailee Steinfeld's Spider-Gwen the main protagonist with Issa Rae's Jessica Drew Spider-Woman in a supporting role along with Cindy Moon/Silk.

 

[Alex...]

Bob Persichetti and Justin K. Thompson To Direct.

‘Spider-Man: Beyond The Spider-Verse’ Taps Bob Persichetti and Justin K. Thompson To Direct

ob Persichetti and Justin K. Thompson are set to direct the conclusion to the studio's Spider-Verse trilogy, Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse.

deadline.com

 

[Jake Lipson]

The timing of this seems odd to me. The film has already been in production. It seems like Sony ought to have known who the directors are before now. Maybe they did, but why draw attention to it with an announcement at this time?

I have no problem whatsoever with Bob Persichetti returning. I am not questioning his ability at all. It just seems like an odd time to put out news like this.

Joaquim Dos Santos, Justin K. Thompson, and Kemp Powers were originally announced to co-direct both Across and Beyond. This makes me wonder what happened to Dos Santos and Powers and why they aren't continuing.