Carlo_M
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Apple did exactly what they should have done, and did nothing wrong. They owe me nothing as my 2015 Macbook Pro is 1 month out of AppleCare warranty.
I just wanted to put that front and center so people don't think I'm an entitled/disgruntled customer.
Now some brief history about my relationship with Apple products. In 2006 I made the switch from Wintel to Apple (at the same time Apple switched from Motorola to Intel CPUs). Windows was in a bad place then, and there was something sexy about the Apple ecosystem that didn't exist in Wintel's. Their products "just worked" in a way that Wintel machines often didn't. The Apple experience was just buttery smooth, even if you couldn't run all the programs that you could on the Windows side...there was just something about Apple that felt "premium" and you just put up with the trade-off. I bought 15" Macbook Pros in 2006, 2011 and 2015. All around that $2500 price-point. My 2006 MBP had a logic board problem, which I helped to diagnose with the Apple store (based on web research on the symptoms) and not long after that visit to the Genius Bar (level 2 support, not the blue shirt guy but the black shirt) I received a free invite into their developer program and have been testing beta Mac OS (and iOS) builds ever since. I also purchased iPhones pretty much from its inception and upgraded every 2 years. I owned several iPods and an iPad Air and iPad Pro. I even have a 3rd gen Apple TV and a HomePod.
I thought my Windows days were behind me. Despite using it for work, my workplace is a technological wasteland so I'm still running a 2011 Winblows 7 machine which only serves as a daily reminder at how awesome MacOS and associated hardware are, in comparison.
Today I went into an Apple Store because one of my 2015 MBP's rubber feet fell off. I didn't realize a couple of things. 1) my AppleCare was up last month (where does the time go?) and 2) according to the Genius, Apple doesn't sell just the rubber pad/feet. It's part of the whole bottom plate, for which I would have to pay $115 if I wanted to get a new one. I asked when AppleCare ran out, and he said "oh last month, otherwise I might have tried to go that route for you and get you a new bottom plate".
Again: to reiterate, he followed company policy and my AppleCare was up. He did the right thing.
But as someone who has spent $7500 on laptops, and who knows how much on iPhones and iPods/iPads, it kind of rubbed me the wrong way to get rejected on this, and by one month's expiration no less. I wasn't trying to "pull one over on them" in the sense that I baby my machines, and it's obvious when you see them. They look almost as good as the day I bought them despite thousands of hours of use. This foot fell off because their adhesive failed, not because of machine abuse. For a $2500 machine I would expect more attention to detail. Let's not even get into the keyboard fiasco.
Also Apple has, what, over $100 billion in cash overseas? They can afford to give their Geniuses a little leeway to make calls on exceptions. I oversee CSRs in my workplace and while we have rules, we also allow our staff to make judgment calls on things that won't break the bank, and where the customer does seem to have done nothing wrong.
Meanwhile, as you may have seen in another thread, I recently bought a Wintel gaming machine for $1600. A comparable modular Mac Pro (if they still built those) would likely have cost $1000 - $1500 more for similar specs. I can say this with some reasonable certainty as I used to ogle Mac Pro builds when they were still offered (and I couldn't afford both that and a MBP at the time).
Oh. My. Goodness.
Windows has come a long way. Windows 10 has been a pure pleasure to use. It's not perfect, no OS is. But it's no longer a subpar experience in comparison to MacOS. Judging Wintel by my aging work PC has been an egregious error on my part. It takes 11 seconds to get from pressing the power button to asking for my passcode. It takes 4 seconds from passcode to desktop readiness. This is even faster than my MBP with SSD. Programs are snappy. And the GTX 1080 card makes games absolutely fly, even in 4K with high or max settings. The gaming keyboard and mouse are super cool looking and offer a markedly different experience from Apple (not better or worse, that's in the eye of the beholder, but different in a good way for my experience). The only program I will miss from my Mac is Logic Pro. Everything else, like Office, Adobe Creative Cloud, etc. has Windows counterparts that are as good or better (especially in the case of Office) than their Apple counterparts. I can now use Visio again for work (no Mac counterpart). And my XBox One X plays very nicely with my new PC.
My MBP still works. I will see if I can hunt down a replacement adhesive pad on the web (iFixit save me, you're my only hope!). I'll still use it as my daily work driver because my Wintel work machine blows. I'll use it as my on-the-go obviously because I'm not lugging around my IBuyPower box.
But the subpar experience in the Apple Store now has me rethinking: what am I paying the price premium for now with regards to Apple computers/laptops? What loyalty do I owe them? What special treatment does that extra money give me? Judging by my experience today: the answer is nothing on all counts.
Apple isn't going to miss my $20K (or however much I've spent on them). They're well on their way to a trillion dollar valuation. But I will stop evangelizing for them. Over the years, I can't count the number of friends and family I've steered to their products. That ends today. Not that I have a vendetta, but rather my enthusiasm for their products has been tempered. I won't talk down their products, but I'm less likely to have their products be the first recommendation out of my mouth.
I've played with Android phones and I'm pretty sure I'll still stay in the iPhone ecosystem for the near future, but for computers...I'm thinking probably not. In 1-2 years, when my MBP is getting a little long in the tooth, I'll see where PC laptops are at and be sure to give them a long, hard look.
Which is something that just yesterday (or heck, even this morning!) I never thought I would say.
I just wanted to put that front and center so people don't think I'm an entitled/disgruntled customer.
Now some brief history about my relationship with Apple products. In 2006 I made the switch from Wintel to Apple (at the same time Apple switched from Motorola to Intel CPUs). Windows was in a bad place then, and there was something sexy about the Apple ecosystem that didn't exist in Wintel's. Their products "just worked" in a way that Wintel machines often didn't. The Apple experience was just buttery smooth, even if you couldn't run all the programs that you could on the Windows side...there was just something about Apple that felt "premium" and you just put up with the trade-off. I bought 15" Macbook Pros in 2006, 2011 and 2015. All around that $2500 price-point. My 2006 MBP had a logic board problem, which I helped to diagnose with the Apple store (based on web research on the symptoms) and not long after that visit to the Genius Bar (level 2 support, not the blue shirt guy but the black shirt) I received a free invite into their developer program and have been testing beta Mac OS (and iOS) builds ever since. I also purchased iPhones pretty much from its inception and upgraded every 2 years. I owned several iPods and an iPad Air and iPad Pro. I even have a 3rd gen Apple TV and a HomePod.
I thought my Windows days were behind me. Despite using it for work, my workplace is a technological wasteland so I'm still running a 2011 Winblows 7 machine which only serves as a daily reminder at how awesome MacOS and associated hardware are, in comparison.
Today I went into an Apple Store because one of my 2015 MBP's rubber feet fell off. I didn't realize a couple of things. 1) my AppleCare was up last month (where does the time go?) and 2) according to the Genius, Apple doesn't sell just the rubber pad/feet. It's part of the whole bottom plate, for which I would have to pay $115 if I wanted to get a new one. I asked when AppleCare ran out, and he said "oh last month, otherwise I might have tried to go that route for you and get you a new bottom plate".
Again: to reiterate, he followed company policy and my AppleCare was up. He did the right thing.
But as someone who has spent $7500 on laptops, and who knows how much on iPhones and iPods/iPads, it kind of rubbed me the wrong way to get rejected on this, and by one month's expiration no less. I wasn't trying to "pull one over on them" in the sense that I baby my machines, and it's obvious when you see them. They look almost as good as the day I bought them despite thousands of hours of use. This foot fell off because their adhesive failed, not because of machine abuse. For a $2500 machine I would expect more attention to detail. Let's not even get into the keyboard fiasco.
Also Apple has, what, over $100 billion in cash overseas? They can afford to give their Geniuses a little leeway to make calls on exceptions. I oversee CSRs in my workplace and while we have rules, we also allow our staff to make judgment calls on things that won't break the bank, and where the customer does seem to have done nothing wrong.
Meanwhile, as you may have seen in another thread, I recently bought a Wintel gaming machine for $1600. A comparable modular Mac Pro (if they still built those) would likely have cost $1000 - $1500 more for similar specs. I can say this with some reasonable certainty as I used to ogle Mac Pro builds when they were still offered (and I couldn't afford both that and a MBP at the time).
Oh. My. Goodness.
Windows has come a long way. Windows 10 has been a pure pleasure to use. It's not perfect, no OS is. But it's no longer a subpar experience in comparison to MacOS. Judging Wintel by my aging work PC has been an egregious error on my part. It takes 11 seconds to get from pressing the power button to asking for my passcode. It takes 4 seconds from passcode to desktop readiness. This is even faster than my MBP with SSD. Programs are snappy. And the GTX 1080 card makes games absolutely fly, even in 4K with high or max settings. The gaming keyboard and mouse are super cool looking and offer a markedly different experience from Apple (not better or worse, that's in the eye of the beholder, but different in a good way for my experience). The only program I will miss from my Mac is Logic Pro. Everything else, like Office, Adobe Creative Cloud, etc. has Windows counterparts that are as good or better (especially in the case of Office) than their Apple counterparts. I can now use Visio again for work (no Mac counterpart). And my XBox One X plays very nicely with my new PC.
My MBP still works. I will see if I can hunt down a replacement adhesive pad on the web (iFixit save me, you're my only hope!). I'll still use it as my daily work driver because my Wintel work machine blows. I'll use it as my on-the-go obviously because I'm not lugging around my IBuyPower box.
But the subpar experience in the Apple Store now has me rethinking: what am I paying the price premium for now with regards to Apple computers/laptops? What loyalty do I owe them? What special treatment does that extra money give me? Judging by my experience today: the answer is nothing on all counts.
Apple isn't going to miss my $20K (or however much I've spent on them). They're well on their way to a trillion dollar valuation. But I will stop evangelizing for them. Over the years, I can't count the number of friends and family I've steered to their products. That ends today. Not that I have a vendetta, but rather my enthusiasm for their products has been tempered. I won't talk down their products, but I'm less likely to have their products be the first recommendation out of my mouth.
I've played with Android phones and I'm pretty sure I'll still stay in the iPhone ecosystem for the near future, but for computers...I'm thinking probably not. In 1-2 years, when my MBP is getting a little long in the tooth, I'll see where PC laptops are at and be sure to give them a long, hard look.
Which is something that just yesterday (or heck, even this morning!) I never thought I would say.