RAINTREE COUNTY on Blu?

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Thank you for compiling that information from The Alamo thread, Andy!

Call me delusional, but with WAC tackling some more challenging restorations of films that never had a DVD release, I still remain hopeful that we'll see a release of the 35mm theatrical cut of Raintree County.
 

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Thank you for compiling that information from The Alamo thread, Andy!

Call me delusional, but with WAC tackling some more challenging restorations of films that never had a DVD release, I still remain hopeful that we'll see a release of the 35mm theatrical cut of Raintree County.
Just work from the 35mm roadshow prints in that case.
 
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Just work from the 35mm oadshow prints in that case.
I could be misremembering, but I thought that when Warners reconstructed the roadshow version of Raintree County for its last VHS release, they used a faded collectors print for the deleted scenes? I assumed that getting those scenes up to par might be cost prohibitive and a release of the 35mm theatrical cut would be more viable a la Kino's recent Song of Norway.
 

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I could be misremembering, but I thought that when Warners reconstructed the roadshow version of Raintree County for its last VHS release, they used a faded collectors print for the deleted scenes? I assumed that getting those scenes up to par might be cost prohibitive and a release of the 35mm theatrical cut would be more viable a la Kino's recent Song of Norway.
It has been done with other faded prints on a very limited budget, like this for example:

I have the Blu-ray and it looks pretty good, you would not think that it came from a faded print when you look at the colors.
There are other issue certain aspects of the release should be done to a higher standard but the overall budget could still be very modest.

With regard to Raintree County apart from having the superior long version another benefit would be to preserve the roadshow version in case the large format elements are lost.
 
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Elizabeth Kernan, who was Elizabeth Taylor's stand in on Raintree County, has died at age 80. She was a member of the Raintree Facebook page and shared her memories of working on the film, as recently as just a week before she died. She will be missed.

 

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I could be misremembering, but I thought that when Warners reconstructed the roadshow version of Raintree County for its last VHS release, they used a faded collectors print for the deleted scenes? I assumed that getting those scenes up to par might be cost prohibitive and a release of the 35mm theatrical cut would be more viable a la Kino's recent Song of Norway.
Sorry, I guess I'm greedy. I want to see the full MGM Camera 65 70mm image from Raintree County released on Blu-ray.

Below is a screen shot from a TCM broadcast of Raintree County, about 2.35:1. Below that is the same scene from How The West Was Won, about 2.85:1. Many of the scenes in the Civil War section of How The West Was Won came from Raintree County.
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Sorry, I guess I'm greedy. I want to see the full MGM Camera 65 70mm image from Raintree County released on Blu-ray.

Below is a screen shot from a TCM broadcast of Raintree County, about 2.35:1. Below that is the same scene from How The West Was Won, about 2.85:1. Many of the scenes in the Civil War section of How The West Was Won came from Raintree County.
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Believe me, in a perfect world where money was no object, I would also love to see a restoration of the 70mm version of Raintree County, so the film could finally be enjoyed for the first time the way it was intended to be seen. But I'd be quite content with a Blu-ray derived from a 35mm print... to my mind it's not like Warners would be depriving viewers of anything, as the 70mm version of the film has never actually been released theatrically,

However, I do appreciate you posting those screen grabs so we can see the information that's missing from the 35mm version.
 

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At times, it seems to me that WB is using digital downloads as a dumping ground for dated masters. I could be wrong, but I think that there's a 4:3 pan-and-scan streaming print of The Battle of the Villa Fiorita starring Maureen O'Hara and Rossano Brazzi on Vudu. If this is true, I can't see why Raintree could be available to own on streaming devices at least. At least there's an HD version, and it's allegedly decent.
 

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Thanks Roland for those comparison pictures. I can't believe how much more picture in available. I didn't know about How The West Was Won using shots from Raintree County. Very cool. It might be time to check out my disc of HTWWW again
 

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At times, it seems to me that WB is using digital downloads as a dumping ground for dated masters. I could be wrong, but I think that there's a 4:3 pan-and-scan streaming print of The Battle of the Villa Fiorita starring Maureen O'Hara and Rossano Brazzi on Vudu. If this is true, I can't see why Raintree could be available to own on streaming devices at least. At least there's an HD version, and it's allegedly decent.
On iTunes The Battle of Villa Fiorita.....is 1:85
 

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Thanks Roland for those comparison pictures. I can't believe how much more picture in available. I didn't know about How The West Was Won using shots from Raintree County. Very cool. It might be time to check out my disc of HTWWW again
I looked at HTWWW and I think it's only about a minute that came from Raintree. So I guess you could say that it has been released on Blu-ray if only for a minute.

In July of 1957 at the LA Melrose theatre, a demonstration of a 3-panel extraction print of Raintree County was shown. I guess you had to wait till 1962 when was it actual done for a movie. Other scenes from How The West Was Won were filmed in Ultra Panavision/MGM Camera 65 and extracted to 3-panel Cinerama.

The picture below comes from Widescreenmusem.com. It shows the extract of 3-panel Cinerama from MGM Camera 65 negative. The A, B, C is for the Able, Baker and Charlie projectors in a Cinerama theatre. It implies that here is additional picture image on the negative that is not picked up by the extract. I don't know if this is true or if that information was ever meant to be seen.

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