RAINTREE COUNTY on Blu? (1 Viewer)

[john a hunter]

It was after Esther had been given her freedom and announced her marriage.
I think it was a toast to her future. The sound had been erased and rerecorded for channel identification.
Nothing really remarkable.

 

[john a hunter]

Must have been the Cinerama edition then. I just remembered that they had some special edition about large format film that was pretty impressive.

It had the only description of Fred Waller's second generation Cinerama camera which ,of course, never saw the light of day.,

 

[OliverK]

It was after Esther had been given her freedom and announced her marriage.
I think it was a toast to her future. The sound had been erased and rerecorded for channel identification.
Nothing really remarkable.

Impressive, you have quite the collection there! What content did you have from TGSET? I take it that this would have been contact printed and without the distortion that was later employed to adapt it to Cinerama screens.

 

[john a hunter]

It was one of the rushes of a sequence inside the Temple set.
Not sure whether it was corrected or not, Oliver.
Possibly it was,as it was given to me by the projectionist at the Casino Cinerama.
It was sent to them to help them install their single lens setup for when HTWWW finished.
Would make sense to have a rectified print.
Was fun to see a clapper board in 70.

 

[ptb2020]

I’m amazed the movie was never released in Camera 65! Why not? Why spend all that money then dump it onto 35mm. Though I know they did that with Zulu too though that was shot Super Panavision 70.

 

[Andrew Budgell]

I’m amazed the movie was never released in Camera 65! Why not? Why spend all that money then dump it onto 35mm. Though I know they did that with Zulu too though that was shot Super Panavision 70.

Apparently at the time of its release, the projectors that could show 70mm films were still tied up with showings of Around the World in 80 Days, that little film made by Elizabeth Taylor's husband, Mike Todd.

 

[RolandL]

I’m amazed the movie was never released in Camera 65! Why not? Why spend all that money then dump it onto 35mm. Though I know they did that with Zulu too though that was shot Super Panavision 70.

Zulu was shot in Technirama. See specs below from Widescreenmuseum.com

Specifications at a glance - Technirama®​

Process Developer: Technicolor Corporation / Technicolor Italiana Year of Introduction: 1957 NEGATIVE SPECS: Film Gauge: 35mm Direction of travel: Horizontal - eight perforations - 24 fps Camera Optics: 1.5X Anamorphic Aperture Dimensions: 1.496" x .992" Max Aspect Ratio: 2.25:1 PRINT SPECS: 35mm Anamorphic Reduction Print Film Gauge: 35mm Direction of travel: Vertical - four perforations - 24 fps Projector Optics: 2x Anamorphic squeeze Aperture Dimensions: .839" x .700" nominal Max Aspect Ratio: 2.35:1 (with squeeze) Sound Format: "Magoptical" Four Track Stereo as per CinemaScope, plus half width mono optical - CS perforations Alt Sound Format: Optical monophonic - Standard perforations PRINT SPECS: 70mm Roadshow Print - Super Technirama 70® Film Gauge: 70mm Direction of travel: Vertical - five perforations - 24 fps Projector Optics: Spherical Aperture Dimensions: 1.912" x .870" nominal Max Aspect Ratio: 2.21:1 Sound Format: Magnetic Six Track Stereo - L, LC, C, RC, R stage channels and mono surround channel 70mm print conforms identically with post 1956 Todd-AO specifications. A few films were shown in Europe in 1957 using an 8 perforation horizontal contact print.

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©1998 The American WideScreen Museum

 

[john a hunter]

Apparently at the time of its release, the projectors that could show 70mm films were still tied up with showings of Around the World in 80 Days, that little film made by Elizabeth Taylor's husband, Mike Todd.

Ironic perhaps as Mike Todd was at the time married to her and it was his success with 80 Days that impacted on the release of Raintree. The then most talked about couple made many trips to 80 Days premieres giving the film tremendous publicity.

 

[RolandL]

Apparently at the time of its release, the projectors that could show 70mm films were still tied up with showings of Around the World in 80 Days, that little film made by Elizabeth Taylor's husband, Mike Todd.

I am surprised that since it was only released in 35mm cropping the sides of the MGM Camera 65 negative, they made the text for opening titles for the full image.

"edee LASS"?

Should be Pedee Class

"FREE MEN.."?

When it is released on Blu-ray, I want the full MGM Camera 65 image

Not the cropped one

 

[cinemiracle]

I’m amazed the movie was never released in Camera 65! Why not? Why spend all that money then dump it onto 35mm. Though I know they did that with Zulu too though that was shot Super Panavision 70.

I saw ZULU in 70mm on a 62 ft wide screen when it was first released. So why do you say that 70mm prints were 'dumped' for 35mm release only?

 

[cinemiracle]

Apparently at the time of its release, the projectors that could show 70mm films were still tied up with showings of Around the World in 80 Days, that little film made by Elizabeth Taylor's husband, Mike Todd.

Also another reason was that few countries had 70mm installation when the RAINTREE COUNTY was released.

 

[OliverK]

It was one of the rushes of a sequence inside the Temple set.
Not sure whether it was corrected or not, Oliver.
Possibly it was,as it was given to me by the projectionist at the Casino Cinerama.
It was sent to them to help them install their single lens setup for when HTWWW finished.
Would make sense to have a rectified print.
Was fun to see a clapper board in 70.

Great story and I agree that it would have been rectified to allow them to dial in the presentation. Hope you get to that garage to find all of this!

 

[OliverK]

I am surprised that since it was only released in 35mm cropping the sides of the MGM Camera 65 negative, they made the text for opening titles for the full image.

"edee LASS"?


Should be Pedee Class


"FREE MEN.."?


When it is released on Blu-ray, I want the full MGM Camera 65 image


Not the cropped one

I completely agree about going for a proper Blu-ray that shows the whole frame, the same goes for Fall of the Roman Empire.
Both movies were conceived and designed with the ultrawide roadshow presentation in mind starting with the titles.

 

[john a hunter]

Peter where did you see Zulu in 70?
The UK release was 35 mm only.
About a year after the UK release a 70 print was made for,of all places, South Africa and the Cinerama Theatre in Cape Town.

 

[cinemiracle]

Peter where did you see Zulu in 70?
The UK release was 35 mm only.
About a year after the UK release a 70 print was made for,of all places, South Africa and the Cinerama Theatre in Cape Town.

I saw ZULU at the Embassy Cinema in Wellington,New Zealand - they had the largest screen for 70mm projection in Australasia. The film was shown in 70mm also in Auckland and Christchurch. It was also shown in Sydney,Australia when re-issued or 12 July 1968.

 

[ptb2020]

Zulu was shot in Technirama. See specs below from Widescreenmuseum.com

Specifications at a glance - Technirama®​

Process Developer: Technicolor Corporation / Technicolor Italiana Year of Introduction: 1957 NEGATIVE SPECS: Film Gauge: 35mm Direction of travel: Horizontal - eight perforations - 24 fps Camera Optics: 1.5X Anamorphic Aperture Dimensions: 1.496" x .992" Max Aspect Ratio: 2.25:1 PRINT SPECS: 35mm Anamorphic Reduction Print Film Gauge: 35mm Direction of travel: Vertical - four perforations - 24 fps Projector Optics: 2x Anamorphic squeeze Aperture Dimensions: .839" x .700" nominal Max Aspect Ratio: 2.35:1 (with squeeze) Sound Format: "Magoptical" Four Track Stereo as per CinemaScope, plus half width mono optical - CS perforations Alt Sound Format: Optical monophonic - Standard perforations PRINT SPECS: 70mm Roadshow Print - Super Technirama 70® Film Gauge: 70mm Direction of travel: Vertical - five perforations - 24 fps Projector Optics: Spherical Aperture Dimensions: 1.912" x .870" nominal Max Aspect Ratio: 2.21:1 Sound Format: Magnetic Six Track Stereo - L, LC, C, RC, R stage channels and mono surround channel 70mm print conforms identically with post 1956 Todd-AO specifications. A few films were shown in Europe in 1957 using an 8 perforation horizontal contact print.

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©1998 The American WideScreen Museum

OK Technirama 70 not Panavision 70 but 70mm all the same. They didn’t make 35mm réduction prints from 35mm negatives.

 

[ptb2020]

I saw ZULU in 70mm on a 62 ft wide screen when it was first released. So why do you say that 70mm prints were 'dumped' for 35mm release only?

Never shown in U.K. in 70mm. Lucky you seeing it the way intended.

 

[john a hunter]

Never shown in U.K. in 70mm. Lucky you seeing it the way intended.

The reissue certainly was.In Cinerama no less!

 

[RolandL]

The reissue certainly was.In Cinerama no less!

 

[OliverK]

UK 70mm reissue screenings of Zulu as mentioned here:

rorkesdriftvc.com :: View topic - 'ZULU' sceenings info across the world - Interesting read.

Feb 1972 Casino Cinerama, Old Compton St London UK In 70mm
Feb 1972 ABC Derby UK Big Screen 70mm
April 1972 ABC-Cinebowl Hanley UK In 70mm
April 1972 Regal Leamington Spa UK 70mm
May 1972 Granada Bedford UK In 70mm & Stereo Sound
June 1972 ABC1 Leeds UK 70mm
July 1972 Cinema East Kilbride UK 70mm
Aug 1972 Carlton Swansea UK 1st screening in Swansea in 70mm
Sept 1972 Playhouse Perth UK 70mm Screen
Sept 1972 Godiva Coventry UK 70mm - On the Giant Screen - Full Stereophonic Sound
Oct 1972 Astra Colwyn Bay UK In 70mm
Nov 1972 Palladium Blackpool UK 70mm Stereophonic Sound
Jan 1973 Classic Westcliffe UK 70mm
Jan 1973 Royal St. Ives (Cornwall) UK 70mm Stereophonic Sound
Sept 1973 Camelot Newquay UK 70mm 6-track Stereophonic Sound