Jay_H
Auditioning
- Joined
- Oct 21, 2002
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I use my stereo nearly exclusively for music. HOWEVER, one of the things I discovered when I first took the plunge into home theatre components is how vastly superior surround-sound decoding can be for music, especially the addition of a hard center channel. (I listen to basically everything, including romantic and modern orchestral, classic and modern jazz, classic and modern rock, and rap/hip-hop.) Compared to a 3-channel DPL front stage properly set up but made of modest speakers, I find even well-placed 2-channel front stages consisting of truly outstanding speakers (the likes of Audio Artistry Dvoraks, Avalon Avatars, Acapella Violons, or Tannoy D700’s) lacking in key areas. Now I want to improve it further by adding discrete surround capability.
I had hoped to simply add a processor to my existing pre/proc, but that does not appear to be possible. (If it is, and you have a suggestion, I would still prefer to go that route.) My budget is strictly three-figures USD. I would love to use Meridian’s or Lexicon’s latest-greatest, but that’s not in the fiscal cards. The only thing that might make me consider jumping up to the extremely low four figures is dual-voltage capability, should I go continent-hopping again.
I’ve been looking in local stores, but the high-end places seem to have very limited selections, and the big box stores have both personnel that is limited in knowledge and also no way to really ascertain the quality of the products. Reading product descriptions in Crutchfield or OneCall make me realise I don't have the handle on all this stuff that I once did. So I ask y’all to help me out.
Within my budgetary constraints: here are things I need:
-Good sound. If it doesn’t sound good, it isn’t good. Period.
-Low noise floor. I’ll never use this thing with a pair of speakers less than 90dB/w/m efficient, and my upgrade path will lead me to speakers between twice and four times as efficient as that! (93-96dB/w/m). Hiss isn’t a big issue when you’re dealing with ScanSpeak 8545-based 2-ways, but on efficient speakers, it’s a killer.
-Either a headphone jack or two sets of L/R outputs. I must be able to connect my headphone amp to my stereo without unplugging my mains amp.
-Solid build. I don’t need Krell overbuilding, but I don’t want it to be made out of sorry materials that even GM would reject for their vehicle interiors, either.
-Full assembly. I can solder a passive xo, but anything tougher is beyond my abilities. So a DIY pre/proc (not that I've seen any anyway) is out of the question.
-Compatibility with all important 5.1 and 6.1-channel formats.
-Ability to balance all channels in increments of 1dB or preferably better.
-No Atari-like displays or wild colours. Only clean, understated elegance, please.
-Either native support for DVD-A/SACD or analogue inputs to allow for those formats.
-Coaxial digital input. No special prejudice against optical, just that I already have coaxial cable that can do the job and I’d rather not spend more money on wires.
And things I’d like:
-HDCD decoding. At worst, though, I’ll connect the DVD player to both digital and analogue inputs, using the analogue ones for discs encoded in HDCD.
-Upgradability. This matters less the cheaper the thing is.
-A good tuner, or no tuner. If I have a good tuner, I can put my current pre in another room. Otherwise, I’ll use it as the tuner.
-A display dimmer. It’s definitely relaxing, but not a deal-breaker.
-Dual voltage capability. Current usage would be 120V, but I want to be flexible.
-Phono preamp. If I can take a box out of my cabinet, that’s wonderful.
Things I’m not too concerned about:
-Bass management. As long as I can route the 0.1 channel to the front mains, “collecting all the bass”, I’ll then shunt it to the subwoofer with my current xo/bass processor. I don’t need any other options.
-Remote control. I’ll waste a day reprogramming my current one.
-More than two digital inputs. One for the source I have now, one for upgradiblity.
-Sophisticated video switching. I don’t have sophisticated video. Just analogue cable, VCR, and DVD.
-Newness. I’ve bought used stuff before (including my current pre), so I have no hang-ups in that regard.
-DSP soundfield modes. Don’t have ‘em now, don’t miss ‘em.
-Support for more than 6.1 channels. I just don’t want more speakers in the room.
So, what should I look at?
For reference, my rather eclectic current system is as follows:
Digital source: Toshiba 6-disc DVD with HDCD decoding and an onboard DD decoder than I can’t use, model SD-4109X or something like that.
Analogue source: B&O TT with B&O MMC1 cart, 1980s-vintage H/K integrated as phono stage. (It’s big and ugly but sounds better than the Rotel or Parasound standalone phono stages.)
Preamp/processor/tuner: Marantz AV600 (DPL/THX) with the RC2000 Mk. II remote.
Bass managament/processing: AudioControl PCA3. (think of it as an adjustable LR4 xover with AudioControl’s car Epicenter processor sharing a power supply but not inputs.)
Amps: Adcom GFA-535II (60x2 front), Adcom GFA-2535II (60x4 configured bridged 200w to the center, 60 to each surround), mid-1990s vintage Kenwood receiver (250x2 into the 4ohm nominal impedance of the subs) for the sub.
Speakers:
-L/R: KEF Q15. (6.5” dual-concentric)
-C: KEF Q95C. (6.5” dual-concentric)
-SR/SL: Mirage M590i bipoles (5.25”/.75” 2-ways).
-Sub: Custom-made, two 12” woofers (DEI CS4124), Qtc=0.577 sealed.
(If I went with a 6.1-channel, I would either make Adire Audio HE10.1’s or buy Tannoy Saturns for the front, and move the KEFs rearward. Actually, one of those two upgrades is in the cards regardless.)
TV: A hand-me-down decade+ old 31” Panasonic. It doesn’t get that much use outside of football season, although I will swap it out for a thin widescreen when they get mass-market cheap.
Other: Headroom Total AirHead amp and Sennheiser HD-580 headphones, adequate cables/interconnects, Rat Shack analogue SPL meter.
Except for the pre/proc, and new speakers, and perhaps more environmentally-friendly amps (Tripath or some such), I don't have any upgrades planned. Despite its electicity, the system actually sounds quite good.
Peace,
Jay
I had hoped to simply add a processor to my existing pre/proc, but that does not appear to be possible. (If it is, and you have a suggestion, I would still prefer to go that route.) My budget is strictly three-figures USD. I would love to use Meridian’s or Lexicon’s latest-greatest, but that’s not in the fiscal cards. The only thing that might make me consider jumping up to the extremely low four figures is dual-voltage capability, should I go continent-hopping again.
I’ve been looking in local stores, but the high-end places seem to have very limited selections, and the big box stores have both personnel that is limited in knowledge and also no way to really ascertain the quality of the products. Reading product descriptions in Crutchfield or OneCall make me realise I don't have the handle on all this stuff that I once did. So I ask y’all to help me out.
Within my budgetary constraints: here are things I need:
-Good sound. If it doesn’t sound good, it isn’t good. Period.
-Low noise floor. I’ll never use this thing with a pair of speakers less than 90dB/w/m efficient, and my upgrade path will lead me to speakers between twice and four times as efficient as that! (93-96dB/w/m). Hiss isn’t a big issue when you’re dealing with ScanSpeak 8545-based 2-ways, but on efficient speakers, it’s a killer.
-Either a headphone jack or two sets of L/R outputs. I must be able to connect my headphone amp to my stereo without unplugging my mains amp.
-Solid build. I don’t need Krell overbuilding, but I don’t want it to be made out of sorry materials that even GM would reject for their vehicle interiors, either.
-Full assembly. I can solder a passive xo, but anything tougher is beyond my abilities. So a DIY pre/proc (not that I've seen any anyway) is out of the question.
-Compatibility with all important 5.1 and 6.1-channel formats.
-Ability to balance all channels in increments of 1dB or preferably better.
-No Atari-like displays or wild colours. Only clean, understated elegance, please.
-Either native support for DVD-A/SACD or analogue inputs to allow for those formats.
-Coaxial digital input. No special prejudice against optical, just that I already have coaxial cable that can do the job and I’d rather not spend more money on wires.
And things I’d like:
-HDCD decoding. At worst, though, I’ll connect the DVD player to both digital and analogue inputs, using the analogue ones for discs encoded in HDCD.
-Upgradability. This matters less the cheaper the thing is.
-A good tuner, or no tuner. If I have a good tuner, I can put my current pre in another room. Otherwise, I’ll use it as the tuner.
-A display dimmer. It’s definitely relaxing, but not a deal-breaker.
-Dual voltage capability. Current usage would be 120V, but I want to be flexible.
-Phono preamp. If I can take a box out of my cabinet, that’s wonderful.
Things I’m not too concerned about:
-Bass management. As long as I can route the 0.1 channel to the front mains, “collecting all the bass”, I’ll then shunt it to the subwoofer with my current xo/bass processor. I don’t need any other options.
-Remote control. I’ll waste a day reprogramming my current one.
-More than two digital inputs. One for the source I have now, one for upgradiblity.
-Sophisticated video switching. I don’t have sophisticated video. Just analogue cable, VCR, and DVD.
-Newness. I’ve bought used stuff before (including my current pre), so I have no hang-ups in that regard.
-DSP soundfield modes. Don’t have ‘em now, don’t miss ‘em.
-Support for more than 6.1 channels. I just don’t want more speakers in the room.
So, what should I look at?
For reference, my rather eclectic current system is as follows:
Digital source: Toshiba 6-disc DVD with HDCD decoding and an onboard DD decoder than I can’t use, model SD-4109X or something like that.
Analogue source: B&O TT with B&O MMC1 cart, 1980s-vintage H/K integrated as phono stage. (It’s big and ugly but sounds better than the Rotel or Parasound standalone phono stages.)
Preamp/processor/tuner: Marantz AV600 (DPL/THX) with the RC2000 Mk. II remote.
Bass managament/processing: AudioControl PCA3. (think of it as an adjustable LR4 xover with AudioControl’s car Epicenter processor sharing a power supply but not inputs.)
Amps: Adcom GFA-535II (60x2 front), Adcom GFA-2535II (60x4 configured bridged 200w to the center, 60 to each surround), mid-1990s vintage Kenwood receiver (250x2 into the 4ohm nominal impedance of the subs) for the sub.
Speakers:
-L/R: KEF Q15. (6.5” dual-concentric)
-C: KEF Q95C. (6.5” dual-concentric)
-SR/SL: Mirage M590i bipoles (5.25”/.75” 2-ways).
-Sub: Custom-made, two 12” woofers (DEI CS4124), Qtc=0.577 sealed.
(If I went with a 6.1-channel, I would either make Adire Audio HE10.1’s or buy Tannoy Saturns for the front, and move the KEFs rearward. Actually, one of those two upgrades is in the cards regardless.)
TV: A hand-me-down decade+ old 31” Panasonic. It doesn’t get that much use outside of football season, although I will swap it out for a thin widescreen when they get mass-market cheap.
Other: Headroom Total AirHead amp and Sennheiser HD-580 headphones, adequate cables/interconnects, Rat Shack analogue SPL meter.
Except for the pre/proc, and new speakers, and perhaps more environmentally-friendly amps (Tripath or some such), I don't have any upgrades planned. Despite its electicity, the system actually sounds quite good.
Peace,
Jay