Panny xr 50

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  1. RyanHud

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    What are the departments that this reciever lacks in
    i'd like to know all the cons before purchasing
    thanks in advance
     
  2. Joe Mihok

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    www.audiocircle.com

    Those guys have TONS of experience with digital recievers it seems. You'll probably have better luck and more replies going there. Good luck!
     
  3. Kevin Alexander

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    As an owner, I've heard experiences of the Panny having a difficult time driving low ohm/low sensitivity speakers (in the mid to lower 80's). And other than the lack of some of the nice features in the analog counterparts (auto setup and true 7.1), my wallet and I are happy, and I feel (actually know) that I have THE BEST possible sound right now.
     
  4. Nigel Hooper

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    Weak soundstaging and it tends to bring certain frequencies to the forefront where it shouldn't. It foreshortens depth and eliminates most imaging cues. It's a pretty weak unit for those who truly know sound. Bear in mind people tend to get overexcited regarding new purchases and need to justify it in their minds.
     
  5. DorianBryant

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    Nigel,

    Looking for a flameout?

    The Panny does in fact have a very detailed sound with great clarity and imaging. Decent power but lacks in features.

    I found it was not a great match for music for JBL's-IMO-but greta for HT. I sold mine and got an HK-235 but only for 7.1, Logic 7, DPL IIX, etc.
     
  6. Nigel Hooper

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    There's a difference between detail you are meant to hear and detail that sticks out more than the artist intended. They are not accurate whatsoever.
     
  7. DorianBryant

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    I disagree about the detail aspect but we all have different opinions

    Ryan,

    Regardless of any opinions expressed, the deciding factor should be your ears. Try it out.
     
  8. Kevin Alexander

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    [shakes head]Nigel, Nigel, Nigel......[/shakes head]
     
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    Real Name:
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    I love the receiver..only thing I don't liek is the loss of my 5 channel stereo..it has a party mode, but doesn't do 5 channel like I am used to..oh well the PL2 and dts neo more than makes up for it from my old receiver..I was also worried about the lack of power from reviews..this unitdoes not lack power at all..it powers all my speakers very well..
     
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    I suppose it lacks "bloom" and a "sweet upper range" [​IMG]
     
  12. Nigel Hooper

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    If it was in the original recording yes.
     
  13. BruceD

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    Nigel, you need to qualify outrageous statements like that, as they are not categorically true. If they are your personal views from auditioning, say so, and describe the setup.

    The TI "Power DAC" amplifier chips used in the Panasonics (and the more expensive TACT products) are sensitive to the impedance characteristics of the speaker. The chipsets are voiced for 6-8 Ohm speakers in the Panasonics, and therefore may not sound their optimum with 4 Ohm speakers (a tip-up in the high frequency response). The chips can be voiced to specific output characteristics.

    By the way, I don't own a Panasonic digital receiver or have any work relations with them, but your comments fly in the face of 99% of the user and professional reviews which disagree with your statements.

    There are numerous examples of audiophiles who replaced $4-10k of prepros and amps with a Panny (XR-45) and exclaim improved sound quality.
     
  14. Nigel Hooper

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    And numerous examples of people coming to their senses and switching back. Every "pro" review has been less than enthusiastic including a very recent one. All soundly trash them. I have owned the 10, 45 and the 50 and extensively tested them. The 50 is the biggest mess of all of them. Check these reviews for a reality check. All are from respected British magazines.

    http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-...?reviewid=3003

    http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-...?reviewid=5074

    http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-...?reviewid=4738


    http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-...?reviewid=3923
     
  15. DorianBryant

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    Nigel,

    Delivery is everything.

    "for those who truly know sound"- are you one of those who does?

    Also, what makes your opinion more valid than those who have used them?

    I have had the 25 and 50- far from a mess. About personal taste. Simply say they are not for you. Don't trash people or insult their intelligence.
     
  16. Nigel Hooper

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    Don't care about delivery I care about the truth. Bruce D said all pro reviews were positive and I have yet to see one even remotely good or even fair.
     
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    Nigel, you are hereby banished to the dungeon of irrelevancy.
     
  18. AlbertD

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    Funny. When somebody finally comes up with authoritative reviews of this equipment, he gets banished?! I guess only ancedotal data is accepted in this thread. I have no ax to grind, as I am probably going to purchase a digital receiver (Sony) but jumping on Nigel because he has a differing opinion and offers sound reviews to back it up is not right.
     
  19. Nigel Hooper

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    Kevin is still in the I got a new toy and I have to convince myself it's gooooooooooooooood mode. He'll quickly learn. I jumped on these two years ago and got the 10 the day it came out, the 45 the day it came out and the 50 the first week. It's not a new thing Kev.
     
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