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DTS versus DD 5.1

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by ken t, Aug 12, 2001.

  1. ken t

    ken t Agent

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    I did an A/B test of the Ice Ring scene (chapter 16) in Titan A.E. Well, the DTS version doesn't compare; it didn't have the depth or detail of the DD track. Surprising since I've read that DTS provides a "fuller" bass than DD. Well, I've heard for myself and it is not even close! DD wins by a landslide. I can hear more detail overall; especially in the surrounds which unveil details that DTS fails to reproduce.
    Curious if I am doing something wrong. I chose the DTS soundtrack on the disc and it plays through the coaxial connection through my receiver. My receiver doesn't have a DTS encoder, but this shouldn't make a difference since the DVD player has the decoder, right???
    I know this is an ongoing debate, but unless someone can tell me that I'm doing something wrong, the controversy is over for me: Dolby Digital over DTS is an easy call...
     
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    dts RULZ!
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  3. ken t

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    I have a Marantz SR780 which is a Dolby Digital receiver only - no DTS. My DVD player is the Panasonic RP91 and it's connected via coaxial cable only - no other audio connection to the receiver.
    I chose the DTS tracks in 'Big Trouble in Little China' and 'Titan A.E.' and they played without a hitch.
    isn't the DVD player decoding the DTS bitstream and transferring that information through the coax cable? I know it is preferable to have the receiver do the digital decoding, but my receiver cannot do DTS decoding...
     
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  5. Rob Gillespie

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    The only time DTS (or Dolby Digital or PCM) can pass through optical or coaxial digital connections is when it's in it's un-decoded datastream state.
    If your receiver can't decode DTS and you're only connecting via coax, then you're not listening to DTS.
    The digital connection only carries raw data. It's up to the decoder at the other end to turn it into the signal ready for processing and amplification.
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  6. John Morton

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    I prefer DTS over DD in all but 1 case (Jurasic Park).
     
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    Ken, does your receiver have '5.1 external decoder inputs'? If so, set up the Panny to decode DTS tracks and send the decoded signals to your receiver via six analog cables.
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    John,
    Pick up a copy of the new JP dts repressing. It is way better than both the old JP dts and dd versions.
     
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    KEN,
    I have to say that your setup is not logical at all,especially when you want to experience DTS surround sound with your DTS enabled decoding player and a non DTS enabled decoding receiver.
    There are some titles that requires you to use the external DTS decoder to decode the DTS digital signal into 5.1 surround sound.(THE ROCK:CRITERION COLLECTION is one of this title,cos my DVD player,a PHILIPS DVD951 cannot process the digital stream into 5.1 analogue audio.DTS titles from other studios,such as FOX and UNIVERSAL have no such problem at all)
    TITAN A.E DTS rocks my ht system,DD loses out.
     
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    THE ROCK:CRITERION COLLECTION is not the only one that have this kind of problem.HONGKONG's UNIVERSE LASER's DTS DVD releases also do have this problem with the player.(My player is the EURO MODEL DVD957)
    You mentioned that it could be the player's issue...but the player works very fine with FOX,UNIVERSAL,DREAMWORKS,ARTISANT,CTHV(MEN IN BLACK) and DISNEY releases.
    So if others works fine,my player shouldn't show "2CH DTS" on screen when i played THE ROCK,ACCIDENTAL SPY and TAXI 2.The LED indicator of my player also show only 2channels only.
    The final question is...
    Is there any difference between the DTS encoding process or the location of the DTS track that may have cause this common problem???
     
  12. John Morton

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    Greg_t
    Thanks for the reply!! I did so, you're right, way better!!
    All things being equal, DTS rules (IMO).
     
  13. Lewis Besze

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    Ken even if you hooked up your rig right[which you didn't] you shouldn't base a final conclusion on 1 title alone.Try Dinosaur for kicks, another "controversial" title.Many people prefer the DD on this one.
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  14. ken t

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    yes, I've figured this problem out, thanks. I can't hook this up properly with my current equipment - have to wait for my next receiver...
     

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