Ok, I have decided. IT's either the Pioneer VSX-811S or the Panasonic SAHE 100S. Here's where Im at right now. __________________________________________________ _ Pioneer Pros: Pre-Outs, No speaker Clips-All Posts, LEARNING REMOTE!!!! Pioneer Cons: Power? Power Quality? Build Quality? __________________________________________________ _ Panasonic Pros: Power! Power Quality! Lower Price. Panasonic Cons: NO LEARNING REMOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I have no $$ for a Pronto or anything right now.) __________________________________________________ _ Please let me know what you think. I can't demo either of these, so Internet is my only research tool. Would love to hear from people who have Demo'd BOTH! That would be great! P.J.