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A Few Words About A few words about...™ Sweet Charity - in Blu-ray

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Robert Harris, Aug 2, 2019.

  1. warnerbro

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    Yes, it is a shame the entr'afe wasn't done correctly. It's disappointing that these studios keep messing these types of things up (WEST SIDE STORY comes to mind). To correctly label a release "road show" they should get these things right.
     
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    The more I think about it, the more pissed I get that this is touted as being the Roadshow edition so vociferously. What exactly do they think that term means?
     
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    The sad fact is that the people who are creating these discs probably do not have any concept of what a roadshow was. Aside from the recent HATEFUL EIGHT release, films released using the road show concept have been extremely rare since the early 1970's. Add to this that a term like "entre' acte" is largely unknown. I remember a recent blu ray review (not on this forum) where the writer talked about how much he liked the "entre' acte at the end of the film." Utterly clueless, but at age 65 I realize that there are a lot of things have been lost to time. Still I don't understand if the SWEET CHARITY dvd included the entre' acte music why they would drop it for the blu ray.
     
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    Thoroughly Modern Millie (also from Universal) actually gained exit music when it came out on DVD. I had the laserdisc, and it had overture and intermission music, but not exit music. I nearly fell off my chair when I first got the DVD when that music started to play after the end title. And not only, that but the exit music on the DVD is different from what is labeled as exit music on the soundtrack LP. So I suppose it depends on who is doing the mastering since it seems inconsistent from one edition to another.
     
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    Let’s start a “When I Fell Off My Chair” thread. My experience came when after seeing “Kid Millions” a dozen times on an old black and white TV, I finally saw it on a new colour set when I moved away from home. I did not know that the final real was in brilliant eye hurting technicolor! At last Eddie and Ethel were revealed! (A lot of heavy make up though!) I basically gave a big hoot and felt like audiences in the theatre must have at the time.
     
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    Doesn’t Camelot have an “Overture” title card in the same type at the title/credits? Or was that just created for home video?
     
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    With awareness towards the Kino Lorber thread having its strict guidelines, I wonder if it is permissible and within the boundaries to ask "Insider" if they are aware of the missing Entr'acte and Exit Music; as well as asking if they might be willing to postpone the release of "Sweet Charity", until Universal could re-instate the missing musical portions onto a corrected transfer and BD? Any suggestions from a Moderator? After all, "Sweet Charity" has not yet been officially released; according to the cited street date; so, perhaps, its not too late for the corrections to take place.
     
  8. Robert Harris

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    I’m unaware of any roadshows that had cards identifying music.

    How might one run/see them?

    With the curtains closed.
     
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    Although I'm also disappointed with the potential lack of entr'acte/exit music, I assume by "roadshow version," what they're referring to is the long version with all the montages as opposed to the shorter general release version.
     
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    Scrim

    I definitely remember an overture of a roadshow film having an overture with some hind of image under a scrim in one of the old theaters in Baltimore in the 60's. Could have been The Ten Commandments or Ben Hur.
     
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    And you were able to mix the sound of the bells to flow right into the title bells? That's amazing.
     
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    I wish I could like this movie more- Sweet Charity- but Chita Rivera and Paula Kelly just completely steal the film in every scene they're in. I find the rest of the movie kind of ridiculous but will still get it for their 2 numbers alone and the noted reference quality as stated by RAH..
     
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    I saw "Sweet Charity" in December 1969 in 70mm at the Cinema 70 in St. Cloud, Minn. I was 14 and completely dazzled by the film. The sound was spectacular! The intermission had been seamlessly edited out. So, no entr'ate. Otherwise the complete roadshow with overture and exit music. I was surprised to see it when I bought the laserdisc in 1992. With the laserdisc I was able to make a really complete soundtrack album on my computer and burn it to a CD. Now it's a prized part of my iTunes.
     
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    Neither of those films had overture images - I don't know a single roadshow film that did. Movie theaters did not have "scrims" - they had curtains.
     
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    West Side Story and Star! are the only ones I recall that did, oh, and the short passage in My Fair Lady before the Warner Bros. Logo. That’s all I know and Bruce is correct, Ten Commandments and Ben-Hur were black screens so the curtain could be over them. Ten Commandments had a small overture, just over a minute, then CB DeMille had his on screen intro.
     
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    The Overture credit was added by Warner Bros. For home video.
     
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    OK, Overture titles were added for home video so people wouldn’t get confused over hearing music and seeing a black screen. Same with the Entr'acte and Exit Music titles. Only West Side Story, Star! And My Fair Lady had an image during the Overture. I am sure RAH and Bruce can correct me if I’m wrong.
     
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    Didn’t you read what RAH said earlier? My Fair Lady had overture images- flowers.

    And a scrim is a second layer that coexists with a curtain and I am almost certain that layout existed in Baltimore where one theater actually had a curtain (only) that raised from the bottom up. It was either I think The New or The Hippodrome.
    Does anyone remember whether the Ziegfeld in NYC had such a two curtain process- a big velvet red curtain with a secondary scrim underneath?
     
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    Well, see, I don't really consider that a standard overture - same with West Side - those two were DESIGNED to have the curtains open so those designed sequences could be seen.

    I understand exactly what you're saying about two curtains - I believe the Paramount (now the El Capitan) had a front curtain that went up and then a secondary curtain that parted to the side. But that's not what a scrim is - a scrim isn't really a curtain, at least I've never heard it described thusly - it's a live theater thing, something that when lit from the front is opaque and when lit from the rear can be seen through.
     
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    Could have been a slide
     
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