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A Few Words About A few words about...™ Sweet Charity - in Blu-ray

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Robert Harris, Aug 2, 2019.

  1. JohnMor

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    Thanks Chuck. I had forgotten that the Entr’acte is indeed on the dvd. My bad. But it does NOT appear on the French blu-ray. I just checked. The blu-ray features the Intermission card silently for about 30 seconds but does not not feature the musical Entr’acte.
     
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    Good to have all those videos. Perhaps someone should forward them to Kino.
     
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  3. Chuck Pennington

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    Ah, then I must've retained the Entr'acte on my hybrid from the DVD. I didn't remember that as clearly as I did adding back the exit music from the Laserdisc.

    What gets me is that I messaged Kino about the incomplete French Blu and warned about what was missing. The fact that their release was delayed and commentary tracks added I thought was a good sign. Surely the people recording and preparing commentary knew the film in question well enough to ensure it was the full roadshow release as advertised, but apparently not.

    It sounds like the master used for the feature film on Kino's disc matches the French Blu from a year ago. In which case, I can stick with my full roadshow hybrid.
     
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    For the special laser disc edition of Picnic (1955), Caps also created an "overture" which was never part of the actual film.
     
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    If only I could get an HD Scrooge with its wonderful Overture.
     
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  6. Chuck Pennington

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    Another Blu-ray for which I created my own hybrid to have complete when the official release didn't suffice.
     
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    Your wish is my command. The musical interludes in question have been uploaded to YouTube from my hybrid Blu-ray and are in a post above.

    There isn't intermission music, but there is a substantial entr'acte and exit music that appear to be missing from Kino's forthcoming Blu-ray.
     
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    I believe Gypsy (1962) also has a 'title' overture, as well as Star! (1969).
     
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    It does though it's shortened from what was on the WB soundtrack LP (which was the original stage overture).
     
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    I haven’t finished watching disc 2 “alternate version”. I wonder if this has your missing music, or a comment about why it’s not there.
     
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    Lars von Trier's DANCER IN THE DARK starring Bjork has a beautiful quasi-overture sequence (with hypnotic images) which does exactly what an overture is supposed to do: help the audience transition from whatever real world they entered the theatre, into the world of the movie.

     
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    Can there be such a thing as a "Roadshow" in the absence of an Overture, Intermission, Entr'acte and its Exit Music?
    If not, then this 4K of "Sweet Charity" needs to have its "Roadshow" banner yanked from all its advertising and descriptive casings.
    Just keeping it honest; as an MSRP of @ $40.00 adds to the misleading aspects of an non-existing "Roadshow".
    I don't expect Universal will rectify their omissions of these boffo Ralph Burns arrangements;
    and, quite frankly, I don't believe they will even withdraw the "Roadshow" banner from its now established marketing;
    but the price of 40 bucks needs to be harnessed in and leveraged back down to 30 bucks or less.
     
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    There definitely was an Entr'acte and Exit music in the Roadshow. DVD included it. Might pass on this one, especially with that price point.
     
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    The alternate version was for general release and would not have the roadshow music.
     
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    Check your DVD. The exit music is not on it, neither is over a minute of dialogue from a key scene when Oscar leaves Charity at city hall.
     
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    Well, your description of how the intermission appears but without the entr'acte and with 30 seconds of silence is exactly what is on the French Blu-ray.

    This isn't the first time Universal has messed up the release of this title, going back to 1969. I would've hoped the people at Kino would've heeded my warning about the missing entr'acte and exit music, but oh well.
     
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    My time estimates are showing that Kino's "Sweet Charity" has up to 6 minutes and 49 seconds of missing "Roadshow" footage; that being the Entr'acte and Exit Music, as based on everyone's HTF postings.

    I'll bid 30 bucks for their providing us with a 4K restoration;
    but deduct that other $10 from the MSRP of $40 in response to those missing "Roadshow" elements.

    What's in your wallet?
     
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    Yes!--Universal and Kino should definitely create a MILLIE Blu-ray--long overdue! However, STAR! is a Fox film, and I have had several message exchanges about it with Twilight Time. TT owns the rights to STAR!, and they intended to release the film on Blu-ray for the film's 50th anniversary...but Fox's HD mastering stalled, and so far this has not come to be, sadly. Now that Fox is owned by Disney, I suspect there will even be less effort put into restoring/preserving/digitizing non-Disney catalog titles. What a shame; STAR! is not a perfect film, by any means, but it contains some of Julie Andrews' best musical performances, and it was shot in gorgeous Todd-AO. And there's a newly restored 70mm print that's made the rounds, so you'd think the mastering job has been largely done. If any of you have clout with Fox, hound them!
     
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    It really is a shame that the entr’acte was left off. It’s a great lead into the second half of the film.
     
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