1916 NY Giants Win Streak ???

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Bill Harada, Sep 4, 2002.

  1. Bill Harada

    Bill Harada Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1997
    Messages:
    86
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    After watching Miguel Tejada, nearly single-handedly, give way tonight's game, then watch Hatteberg hit the game winning home run to set the AL win streak record I need a beer to wind myself back down!!![​IMG]
    Anyway, my question is, should the 1916 NY Giants be credited with their 26 game win streak when they actually tied their 13th game into it. I mean, if you tie you don't win, so how can that not count within the streak. The records skip right over that game and consider their 14th game their 13th straight win. To me it should have been a 12 game streak followed by the tie, then another 13 game streak.
    In any other situation in sports, a tie is always counted below a win (but above a loss). So since the record is for consecutive wins, not consecutive games without losing, I think the A's should only be two games away (instead of seven) from setting the all-time MLB win streak record.
    Anyway, time to get that beer. Thanks for listening...
    Bill
     
  2. Bill Harada

    Bill Harada Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1997
    Messages:
    86
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Nevermind. I went back and checked the records and the tied game was replayed as part of a doubleheader the next day. So in actuality, there wasn't an official tie, just a game that was called after 8 innings, tied at 1-1. I don't know why it's even mentioned since it wasn't an official game.

    And Ive now downed my beer so it's off to bed I go.
     
  3. Cam S

    Cam S Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2002
    Messages:
    1,524
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    So how many games are they at right now? I havn't had time to watch the sports highlights.
     
  4. Bruce Hedtke

    Bruce Hedtke Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 1999
    Messages:
    2,249
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    They are at 19 straight wins. Unbelievable streak.

     
  5. Scott_J

    Scott_J Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2000
    Messages:
    2,631
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Actually it's 20 now - a new AL record. Amazing game yesterday that I caught the last couple innings of. The A's went up on the Royals 11-0 after 3 innings. The Royals tied it at 11-11 after the top of the 9th. Bottom 9, 1 out, bases empty - Scott Hatteberg, pinch hit, GW walk-off solo HR to win it, and the crowd goes ballistic. Unbelievable. Well worth staying up till 2AM to catch the end of it, even though I have a 9:45 class this morning. [​IMG]
     
  6. MikeM

    MikeM Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 1999
    Messages:
    1,203
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Yeah, 20 wins in a row is pretty amazing. As a true fan boy for the Oakland Athletics, this is a special time. Tejada made some costly errors, but he usually backs it up with some amazing clutch hits right when the A's need it most.
    Should the A's make the playoffs, I don't think any team right now would like to stand in front of this runaway train! [​IMG]
    Go A's!!! [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  7. Ashley Seymour

    Ashley Seymour Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2000
    Messages:
    938
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Tie-ing? Tie-ing? There's no Tie-ing in baseball! Err unless it's an exhibition all star game.

    Tejada has been proposed as an MVP candidate. Given the A's won the game, their 20th, but a performance like his last night could sour the sportwriters. Plus he has 19 errors that is second highest in the leagure.
     
  8. Bill Harada

    Bill Harada Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1997
    Messages:
    86
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Well, Tejada won't be winning any Gold Gloves, that's for sure, but he definately means the world to the team this year. Watching last night's game nearly slip away in the top of the 9th, all I could think of were the 6+ runs that Tejada's sloppy play allowed. Well, as Madden says, "winning is the greatest deoderant," which is good. Wouldn't want that kind of a loss hanging over Miggi's head the rest of the season.

    Now it's on to the meat of the September schedule. If they can play +.500 ball the rest of the way the playoffs should be a lock. Go A's!!!
     
  9. Denward

    Denward Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2001
    Messages:
    552
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    In baseball, I don't think a tie should count against a winning streak because the game is not designed to end in ties. Ties only happen due to weather interruption and there's no chance or reason to make up the game. I don't even think ties are recognized as official games for the teams although statistics count for individual players.
     
  10. Bill Harada

    Bill Harada Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1997
    Messages:
    86
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Thinking about it in present day terms--with games being suspended then resumed at a later date--then there should be no references to ties, unless the game is never resumed due to insignificance in the standings. Since the Giant's tied game was replayed the following day it's a moot point. But the standing at the date never reflected a tie (i.e., 71-62, not 71-61-1) so technically (as far as win-loss record goes) it never existed.

    Of course, this morning's paper is now referring to the streak as consectuve games without a loss so my original comments are moot, also.
     
  11. KyleS

    KyleS Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2000
    Messages:
    1,232
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
     
  12. MikeM

    MikeM Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 1999
    Messages:
    1,203
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The last three A's games, all having the A's winning in the bottom of the 9th, have been some of the most exciting baseball games I've ever seen. Just think if the strike came along right as this win streak was at its peak. I wonder if the strike would have killed the streak, anyone know?
     
  13. KyleS

    KyleS Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2000
    Messages:
    1,232
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Would the strike have killed the streak... To answer your question I dont think it would have unless baseball didnt continue.(like forever) If I am not mistaken the streak doesnt have to be within the same season or there is nothing that says it has to be. So if they won the last 10 games of the season and started the next year off with 16 more then that would count. (though IMO it wouldnt be near as exciting)

    KyleS
     
  14. Ashley Seymour

    Ashley Seymour Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2000
    Messages:
    938
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    They should have forced those pitchers to finish the game.
    Kyle,
    Like having Mark Grace pitch the 9th inning of the Dodgers 19-0 blowout of Arizone a couple of nights ago. That was fun to watch until the Dodger pitcher gave up a run and blow the highest shutout margin in Dodger history.
    Grace became a jungle legend a couple of years ago when he volunteered on the Jim Rome radio show that sometimes when he or the fellows were in a slump that they would turn to a "slump buster." Also referred to as throwing youself on a grenade. The ballplayer would get the fattest ugliest woman he could find and take her back to his room for the night. Yesterday I was waiting to hear the following call to the Rome show. "Mr. Rome, question - Mark gave up one run in one inning. Is that a slump? I want to know if Mark will be coming over tonight. Thanks. Oh yeah, this is Anna Nicole."
     

Share This Page