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#1 of 36 OFFLINE   KDRDoc

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Posted July 05 2009 - 02:29 AM

Hi all,

I am moving into a new home and the prior owners had a Bose system - they left us the outdoor Bose speakers and hanging wires from the interior speakers, and a Bose amp.

My wife is tired of the large-ish speakers of our current system - a circa 1994 Onkyo THX system (5.1) and is pushing for a replacement.

We visited the local Bose store to find out about the amp and speakers - salesperson was pushing the V30.  My wife liked the smaller speakers...

Need some help coming up with a system - I am thinking of finally replacing the receiver & speakers / sub
Budget is ~$3k, close to the cost quoted by the Bose person. 

Thanks for the advice in advance....

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#2 of 36 OFFLINE   David Willow

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Posted July 05 2009 - 07:34 AM

Hi Brian,

Forget Bose.  Too expensive and under performs.  Check out offerings from HSU, SVS and Axiom (http://www.axiomaudi...accent-400.html).  For the receiver, look at getting something like the Onkyo 607.

Be aware that very small setups like these will not produce the best sound.  Bose sounds good in demos because they completely control the environment in their demos (room, material, etc).  Once you get them in your house, the sound suffers.  If you could compromise with bigger bookshelf speakers you will get the best of both worlds.  Check these out:

http://www.svsound.com/products-sys-sbs_black.cfm
http://www.axiomaudio.com/epicgrandmaster_main.html


#3 of 36 OFFLINE   Ed Moxley

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Posted July 05 2009 - 08:30 AM

I agree with David. Stay far away from Bose. You and your wife read this honest review of Bose, http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html. You can do much better..........
If you must have smaller speakers, than the bookshelves David linked to, checkout the Orb system: http://www.orbaudio.com/
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#4 of 36 OFFLINE   JohnRice

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Posted July 05 2009 - 02:11 PM

The one and only situation where Bose is acceptable, if grossly overpriced, is with background music, so having Bose outside is actually OK.  Otherwise, for more attentive listening and movie watching, go elsewhere.

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#5 of 36 OFFLINE   KDRDoc

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Posted July 05 2009 - 03:02 PM

Thanks for the advice and reading materials - I had challenged the salesperson about the ability of the small cube speakers to generate sound properly and for the system to provide good response - she said "well, Dr. Bose is a genius!" (I gave up trying to get more info at that point)

Can I drive the outdoor Bose speakers without harming my old (or hopefully new) reciever?



#6 of 36 OFFLINE   Stephen Tu

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Posted July 05 2009 - 03:21 PM

A few more possibilities if the wife is really insistent on smaller size speakers:

Boston Acoustics CS2310
Hsu Research Performance 2
Klipsch HDT-1000 or HDT-500
Energy Take Classic

These are all slightly bigger than the Bose (search MFG web sites to get exact dimensions), but smaller than the large bookshelves David linked to.


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Posted July 05 2009 - 03:58 PM

I've heard all but the Klipsch speakers Stephen mentioned and they would all be an improvement over the Bose. The Boston CS2310 is currently available from TheNerds.com for $450 shipped. Or you can get 4 of the CS23 small bookshelves, a CS225 center for $216 shipped and then get an SVS/SHU sub. But you better decide quickly because the stock is dwindling. Also, no returns. You buy them, you keep them. But those CS23's put out a pretty full sound for their size. My brother is using them for surrounds.,
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"Movie/Music room": Toshiba 65" DLP, Dish HD receiver, Marantz 7005, CC-4003, BD-7006, Polk LSI25's-LSi7's-LSiC, 2 original Dayton 10" "Mighty-Mites" subwoofers. (subject to change without notice).
 
Also have  MB Quart Vera VS05 +.....too much to list. Help me.
 
 

 


#8 of 36 OFFLINE   KDRDoc

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Posted July 06 2009 - 12:59 PM

Convinced the wife to go with me to a local audio store - we listened to several small satellites (similar to the Bose) and kept moving up due to sound quality we ended up really liking B&W 685?

Got a price for 2 B&W 685, 2 B&W 686 and B&W HTM61 and a sub from Velodyne DEQ10 - for $2000

Wife was OK with their size....

#9 of 36 OFFLINE   David Willow

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Posted July 06 2009 - 02:19 PM

Awesome!  B&W are among my favorite speakers.

For about the same price as the Velodyne you can get an SVS PB12 - http://www.svsound.c...x-pb12nsd.cfm.  Also, don't be afraid to deal with the sales person.  I was able to get a deal on B&W for over 20% off the list price.



#10 of 36 OFFLINE   KDRDoc

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Posted July 07 2009 - 04:22 AM

OK - so what about receivers?

I've had Onkyo's in the past (including my current THX 5.1 system from the 90's)

What would you all reccomend?

The audio store reccomendded the Pioneer Elite SC-25?....Denon?

Cost is open - say $1500 ish

#11 of 36 OFFLINE   David Willow

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Posted July 07 2009 - 04:55 AM

Onkyo 876 or above.  Pioneers are well respected and excellent quality, but I really like the Audyssey EQ that comes with Onkyo and Denon.


#12 of 36 OFFLINE   Jeff Gatie

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Posted July 07 2009 - 05:50 AM

I concur with David.  I've owned both Onkyo and Denon, and would recommend the Onkyo 876 or the Denon 3808CI for your budget.

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Posted July 08 2009 - 03:33 PM

So what would be a better choice the Onkyo 876 or the Pioneer SC-27/25 with the B&W's?

I really liked the THX on my old HT so I'd like to keep that...will the B&W's be OK with a THX receiver?

I've seen some threads with video issues on some Onkyo models....


#14 of 36 OFFLINE   David Willow

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Posted July 08 2009 - 03:49 PM

Brian,

There are issues with every receiver.  Not sure what video issue threads you seen, but I know there are many happy Onkyo owners (including me). 

Again, IMHO, the Audyssey in the Onkyo wins hands down.


#15 of 36 OFFLINE   KDRDoc

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Posted July 18 2009 - 10:49 AM

Ok - I've decided to go with the TX-NR906 from Onkyo.

Not sure if I got a good deal or not....less than 1400...

From an authorized dealer...

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Posted July 18 2009 - 06:19 PM

Unsure why you want the 906 versus the 876. I just got my 876 a month ago for 900 bucks. Are you going to use the networking? For me with all things considered the only major difference was networking and imho the extra cost wasn't worth it. You looked at the 876?

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Posted July 21 2009 - 01:10 PM

Mainly for the networking - I don't upgrade frequently (last audio purchase was early90's) want to be able to use with my server.

Unless you guys know a better way? 

#18 of 36 OFFLINE   Stephen Tu

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Posted July 21 2009 - 02:14 PM

I'd rather go for a Logitech Squeezebox Duet or Roku soundbridge than networking in a receiver.  I think the UI on dedicated devices is usually better, easier to upgrade later if necessary, & manufacturers add stuff more often.

I'm not even sure it's worth it for the 876 vs. cheaper 706 for the top notch video processing.  Depends what TV you have I suppose, and if you will upgrade it anytime soon.  I'd personally prefer sinking the money into a better TV to begin with (or reserve for future upgrade), with good built-in video processing, obviating the need for processing in the AV receiver.


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Posted July 21 2009 - 03:00 PM

I would have to say that the best purchase I have made for my system is the 876. I had a 5200ES and I know how people feel about Sony, but with that said the better video processor was worth every penny I spent. Reon versus Faroudja? Reon has my money HANDS DOWN! So the price and features for the 876 versus the 706? 876 for me 10 out of 10 times. I have a 73" DLP so video is key but audio is always a must.

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Posted July 21 2009 - 03:04 PM

Oh and I agree with Stephen about the networking thoughts!