The Wizard of Oz 4K UHD 80th Anniversary

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Release date is July 16 for now. Posted on Bluray.com ….. I hope WB also releases 4K UHD versions of… Gone With The Wind,Ben-Hur, and The Wild Bunch. All Anniversaries this 2019 year !

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  1. titch

    Ah – the years just fly by, don't they? One of the first laserdiscs I bought was Criterion's 50th anniversary Wizard Of Oz. It doesn't feel that long ago!

    That's because it wasn't.;)
    Very exciting news, especially since its been my understanding that not all films are capable candidates for the 4K/UHD format.
    With that in mind – along with 1957 and Kwai being the oldest 4K offering – I never thought we'd get anywhere near 1939.
    But believe me big time, I'm all in.:thumbs-up-smiley:

  2. titch

    Ah – the years just fly by, don't they? One of the first laserdiscs I bought was Criterion's 50th anniversary Wizard Of Oz. It doesn't feel that long ago!

    Criterion? The 50th was by MGM/UA.

  3. Rob W

    This film has had more anniversaries than a family of polygamists.

    50th – 1989 THE BIG ONE
    55th – 1994 Nothing
    60th – 1999 Nothing in the US, did have a limited run in the UK though.
    65th – 2004 Nothing
    70th – 2009 First time on Blu
    75th – 2014 IMAX 3D release
    80th – 2019 UHD

  4. I wrote when I bought, watched and LOVED the 3D edition of The Wizard of Oz that it would be the last time I would be buying it, and I meant it! I just can't bring myself to buy it yet another time, even if the HDR makes it fly off the screen! I cannot tell you how many editions of this masterpiece I've purchased, but no more!

  5. Matt Hough

    I wrote when I bought, watched and LOVED the 3D edition of The Wizard of Oz that it would be the last time I would be buying it, and I meant it! I just can't bring myself to buy it yet another time, even if the HDR makes it fly off the screen! I cannot tell you how many editions of this masterpiece I've purchased, but no more!

    I could very easily post every edition of this film I have on VHS, DVD and Blu, heck I could post my entire Oz collection, but I won't (unless maybe you asked me).

  6. dpippel

    Aw, come on Matt! After all of those purchases, what's *one* more gonna hurt???

    Yeah, I know. When I bought The Ultimate Oz laserdisc set, I figured THAT would be the last one I'd ever buy, but Warners keeps finding new ways to separate me from my money.

  7. Matt Hough

    I wrote when I bought, watched and LOVED the 3D edition of The Wizard of Oz that it would be the last time I would be buying it, and I meant it! I just can't bring myself to buy it yet another time, even if the HDR makes it fly off the screen! I cannot tell you how many editions of this masterpiece I've purchased, but no more!

    I'm in the same boat – I'm really satisfied with how cool that 3D version is and I think I'm all set with that as my go-to.

  8. Matt Hough

    Yeah, I know. When I bought The Ultimate Oz laserdisc set, I figured THAT would be the last one I'd ever buy, but Warners keeps finding new ways to separate me from my money.

    Separating us from our money, yes; but always, always bringing us closer to Oz.;)

  9. Ross Gowland

    A 3D Wizard of Oz is like a colourised Casablanca. No matter how well it’s done, it’s a gimmick too far.

    It's only a gimmick too far if the 2-D format was never made available to view again. Nobody is forcing you to watch it in 3-D.

  10. Ross Gowland

    A 3D Wizard of Oz is like a colourised Casablanca. No matter how well it’s done, it’s a gimmick too far.

    It is by far no colorized CASABLANCA. It just adds more dimension to Emerald City. Although I do have the 3D version, a 4K would be nice to add to it as well as my 70th Anniversary box set, which I treasure and still have.

  11. The SHOCKWAVES Podcast Epsiode # 138 March 29th available on iTunes

    Featured Michael L Fink who was visual effects supervisor for many great films

    He was also in charge of the Wizard of Oz 3D conversion and he discussed it! And it is a great episode! Great trivia of Blade Runner and much more. The OZ 3D info was awesome and he even hated some 3D theatrical presentations! Hear the interview to find out more.

  12. Garysb

    Why not just do a 4K version of this release. This time there would be no coasters.

    [​IMG]

    Because ONLY Oz and Scarlett are cash cows for WB, while rest will now come from Warner Archive.

  13. Craig_Ehr

    It will be very interesting to see what additional detail (if any) can be gleaned from a 1939 Technicolor film in UHD 4K. At least the colors in HDR should be very nice.

    I expect someone to post a YouTube video or screen caps before its release, showing how the picture is teal-looking.

  14. darkrock17


    50th – 1989 THE BIG ONE
    55th – 1994 Nothing
    60th – 1999 Nothing in the US, did have a limited run in the UK though.
    65th – 2004 Nothing
    70th – 2009 First time on
    Blu
    75th – 2014 IMAX 3D release
    80th – 2019 UHD

    The closest thing to a 55th anniversary edition was the Ultimate Oz CAV laserdisc box set. That actually was from MGM/UA and is still something I own. Many of the extras that carried over to future disc releases originated here.

  15. MatthewA

    The closest thing to a 55th anniversary edition was the Ultimate Oz CAV laserdisc box set. That actually was from MGM/UA and is still something I own. Many of the extras that carried over to future disc releases originated here.

    The Ultimate Oz came out in 1993 and I wanted it, but like the 50th it was very expensive. Until the 1998 Special Edition, my only VHS copy was the one that my grandmother ordered from Avon along with Journey Back To Oz (1972/1974). My first DVD just happen to be the 1998 SE. From then on I got every new edition right up to the 70th Anniversary which was one of my very first Blu-rays.

  16. Not quite on topic (count me in for the UHD release!), I just wanted to say that I really liked the distinctive artwork that Criterion had for its laserdisc releases. The one for Oz as posted earlier is particular favorite alongside likes of Blade Runner and The Third Man!
    View attachment 58245

    Can’t explain but thanks for posting it folks. Back to the topic on hand:)

    Regards

  17. SAhmed

    Not quite on topic (count me in for the UHD release!), I just wanted to say that I really liked the distinctive artwork that Criterion had for its laserdisc releases. The one for Oz as posted earlier is particular favorite alongside likes of Blade Runner and The Third Man!
    View attachment 58245

    Can’t explain but thanks for posting it folks. Back to the topic on hand:)

    Regards

    Have to say I have a fond spot for Criterion's art design, although I thought many of their laserdisc jackets weren't all that super. The Wizard Of Oz laserdisc jacket I've always liked though. The master used 30 years ago on their Wizard Of Oz laserdisc was terrible, compared to the high standards we now expect. The 8K master used for the previous 2013 blu-ray release is so pristine, it reveals all the wires and make-up! I expect we'll get an 8K release for the 100th anniversary. By which time I'll have lost both my sight and hearing and will probably be completely gaga!

  18. And the audio will probably still be botched: part of one of Judy's lines deleted, sound effects drowning out dialogue in the opening scene, and several scenes out of sync. Ned Price of WB promised that the changes would only be for the 1998 theatrical release, but we've been stuck with them ever since. Judy's line is in the script and was in the film from the premiere-1998. It was read with tremendous grief…now, she is simply whimpering.

  19. The 3D conversion of Wizard is masterful. I’ll never watch it flat again. You honestly feel as if you are on the soundstage. It made me addicted to the movie again. I had grown tired of it having seen it
    at least once a year since it premiered on TV since 1956.

  20. TJPC

    The 3D conversion of Wizard is masterful. I’ll never watch it flat again. You honestly feel as if you are on the soundstage. It made me addicted to the movie again. I had grown tired of it having seen it
    at least once a year since it premiered on TV since 1956.

    My parents in fact saw it in 1939 (they were 7) and had also become a bit weary of the film over the years, but they were enchanted by the 3D version and said they felt like they saw it again for the first time.

  21. Matt Hough

    Yes, since I got the 3D version, I have watched the movie three or four times and always now in 3D. The only reason I put to 2D into the player is to access some bonus material.

    WHAT! 3D movies don't come with 3D special features truly shocking that is

  22. Robert Crawford

    It's only a gimmick too far if the 2-D format was never made available to view again. Nobody is forcing you to watch it in 3-D.

    Sorry to differ here, Robert, but I am a film purist. Perhaps not a gimmick, but Warner's original mandate, as outlined in 1997 by Ned Price, was to never "augment" – in other words, 'add' anything to classic movies. It was purely a 'preservation'/'restoration' mantra the studio adopted, and indeed, one of the finest, most progressive and most aggressive programs adopted by a major studio to maintain their archival elements.

    I just felt that Warner betrayed this mantra completely when they converted Oz to 3D. Yes, no one forced me to buy it, and no, I did not buy it. I did, however, see it on a friend's projected set up. It was a lot of fun and the 3D was exceptionally good. But this still is not Oz as nature, Mervyn LeRoy, Victor Fleming or Louis B. Mayer intended!

    You wouldn't take the Mona Lisa, and repaint her smile, add some earrings, and a tattoo just to make her more 'fashionable' in the moment for the new fads that come along. Somehow, movie art never gets this same consideration. It's open season to 'change' it up instead of letting the audience find the movie 'as is', as it were.

    But I will be getting the new UHD of Oz when it comes out. Better picture, better sound and hopefully a few minor corrections of omitted dialogue, as discussed on other forums herein. And while one can argue audiences in 1939 never saw Oz in what will ultimately be such remarkable image clarity when it debuts in 4K, due to antiquated methods of printing and projection circa the period, what audiences today will be seeing is precisely what has been available on the original camera negative for all these years. That's a good thing. I cannot wait!

  23. Nick*Z

    Sorry to differ here, Robert, but I am a film purist. Perhaps not a gimmick, but Warner's original mandate, as outlined in 1997 by Ned Price, was to never "augment" – in other words, 'add' anything to classic movies. It was purely a 'preservation'/'restoration' mantra the studio adopted, and indeed, one of the finest, most progressive and most aggressive programs adopted by a major studio to maintain their archival elements.

    I just felt that Warner betrayed this mantra completely when they converted Oz to 3D. Yes, no one forced me to buy it, and no, I did not buy it. I did, however, see it on a friend's projected set up. It was a lot of fun and the 3D was exceptionally good. But this still is not Oz as nature, Mervyn LeRoy, Victor Fleming or Louis B. Mayer intended!

    You wouldn't take the Mona Lisa, and repaint her smile, add some earrings, and a tattoo just to make her more 'fashionable' in the moment for the new fads that come along. Somehow, movie art never gets this same consideration. It's open season to 'change' it up instead of letting the audience find the movie 'as is', as it were.

    But I will be getting the new UHD of Oz when it comes out. Better picture, better sound and hopefully a few minor corrections of omitted dialogue, as discussed on other forums herein. And while one can argue audiences in 1939 never saw Oz in what will ultimately be such remarkable image clarity when it debuts in 4K, due to antiquated methods of printing and projection circa the period, what audiences today will be seeing is precisely what has been available on the original camera negative for all these years. That's a good thing. I cannot wait!

    I'm a film purist too, but preserving and restoring this movie's film elements has nothing to do with them offering a another film version in 3-D. I'm sorry, but I don't see the correlation unless Warner decided not to preserve the film elements in 2-D and only did so in 3-D which clearly they have not done.

  24. Robert Crawford

    I'm a film purist too, but preserving and restoring this movie's film elements has nothing to do with them offering a another film version in 3-D. I'm sorry, but I don't see the correlation unless Warner decided not to preserve the film elements in 2-D and only did so in 3-D which clearly they have not done.

    It's the same as colorization. Just because 3D can be applied to a title doesn't mean it should be. Okay, they provided us with both versions. God bless 'em for that. But there are NOT 2 versions of Oz – only one. This isn't a director's cut, with sanctioned changes made by the creatives responsible for the original content, but a re-imagining of a classic movie, decades afterward, and, for no other reason, except to capitalize on what was a brief, but fashionable, and semi-profitable trend that has since died out, and, in fact, never fully caught on. That's all I was saying. Never said you weren't a film purist. And, of course, respect your opinion as well.

  25. Nick*Z

    It's the same as colorization. Just because 3D can be applied to a title doesn't mean it should be. Okay, they provided us with both versions. God bless 'em for that. But there are NOT 2 versions of Oz – only one. This isn't a director's cut, with sanctioned changes made by the creatives responsible for the original content, but a re-imagining of a classic movie, decades afterward, and, for no other reason, except to capitalize on what was a brief, but fashionable, and semi-profitable trend that has since died out, and, in fact, never fully caught on. That's all I was saying. Never said you weren't a film purist. And, of course, respect your opinion as well.

    PS – and its skating very near to Disney Inc.'s mantra to digitally scrub classic animated movies of content deemed unsuitable for contemporary audiences, as Warner did with its second volume of Tom and Jerry cartoons. Remember how well that decision went over with purists? Not well at all!

    Again, I see nothing wrong with what Warner did with this title so I guess we have to agree to disagree on this issue.

  26. The Wizard of Oz, was made with all the top technology circa 1938. Is there any doubt that they would have used 3D and wide screen for that matter if it was available at that time?

    Also, it is not sacred text, but just a movie. They did not translate the bible into “Valley speak”.

  27. TJPC

    The Wizard of Oz, was made with all the top technology circa 1938. Is there any doubt that they would have used 3D and wide screen for that matter if it was available at that time?

    Also, it is not sacred text, but just a movie. They did not translate the bible into “Valley speak”.

    By that argument, the original King Kong should be colourized, remixed and the stop motion replaced with CG.

  28. I'm good with all variants, just as long as the purists version of a film remains available at all times and, of course, is clearly labeled on the package as to which is which; to avoid consumer confusion.

  29. Nick*Z

    Sorry to differ here, Robert, but I am a film purist. Perhaps not a gimmick, but Warner's original mandate, as outlined in 1997 by Ned Price, was to never "augment" – in other words, 'add' anything to classic movies. It was purely a 'preservation'/'restoration' mantra the studio adopted, and indeed, one of the finest, most progressive and most aggressive programs adopted by a major studio to maintain their archival elements.

    I just felt that Warner betrayed this mantra completely when they converted Oz to 3D. Yes, no one forced me to buy it, and no, I did not buy it. I did, however, see it on a friend's projected set up. It was a lot of fun and the 3D was exceptionally good. But this still is not Oz as nature, Mervyn LeRoy, Victor Fleming or Louis B. Mayer intended!

    You wouldn't take the Mona Lisa, and repaint her smile, add some earrings, and a tattoo just to make her more 'fashionable' in the moment for the new fads that come along. Somehow, movie art never gets this same consideration. It's open season to 'change' it up instead of letting the audience find the movie 'as is', as it were.

    But I will be getting the new UHD of Oz when it comes out. Better picture, better sound and hopefully a few minor corrections of omitted dialogue, as discussed on other forums herein. And while one can argue audiences in 1939 never saw Oz in what will ultimately be such remarkable image clarity when it debuts in 4K, due to antiquated methods of printing and projection circa the period, what audiences today will be seeing is precisely what has been available on the original camera negative for all these years. That's a good thing. I cannot wait!

    If your a purist and only want the original then you’re hardly getting that in a UHD version where someone is choosing what colors to pop etc. and you probably haven’t heard the original sound for decades.
    The 3D is just an alternative way to watch this just as James Cameron’s 3D Titanic is.
    And again I dream of the holographic version of Oz one day as reality.

  30. Worth

    By that argument, the original King Kong should be colourized, remixed and the stop motion replaced with CG.

    As long as the original version is preserved and available for those who choose to view it, why not?

    Though that's basically why we have King Kong (2005).

  31. Craig_Ehr

    It will be very interesting to see what additional detail (if any) can be gleaned from a 1939 Technicolor film in UHD 4K. At least the colors in HDR should be very nice.

    Is this the oldest film to be put out on UHD? Seems like hardly anything older than the 60's has been put out, probably for the reasons you mention.

  32. Ken_Martinez

    Is this the oldest film to be put out on UHD? Seems like hardly anything older than the 60's has been put out, probably for the reasons you mention.

    Yup. The oldest right now is The Bridge on the River Kwai from 1957. I'd imagine Oz will hold the record for quite some time, maybe for good.

  33. Malcolm R

    As long as the original version is preserved and available for those who choose to view it, why not?

    Though that's basically why we have King Kong (2005).

    Sure, as long as the original is available, I don't really care. But even when the original isn't actively suppressed a la Star Wars, revised versions have a way of becoming the default standard.

  34. Ken_Martinez

    Is this the oldest film to be put out on UHD? Seems like hardly anything older than the 60's has been put out, probably for the reasons you mention.

    I would say easily the oldest. Virtually nothing pre-1970 has been released. 1975-1980 does have a few more titles released or coming soon. One

    From what I can find this it the list for the US for pre 1970. There are also a bunch the Peanuts Movies

    1957 Bridge on the River Kwai
    1962 Flying Clipper (apparently not a very good result)
    1969 2001

    Planned
    1939 — Wizard of Oz

    The there is at least one digital only 4K versions. Surely there are some more, but this is the only one off the top of my head
    It's a Wonderful Life (1946)

    France
    1963 — Les Tontons Flingueurs — Gaumont can't find a lot on this
    1969 — The Specialists
    1970 — ??Pending LA ROSE ÉCORCHÉE — has gone through a couple expected release dates and ? now listed May 15.

    Germany
    1966 — Savage Pampas — only reports I can find on this say it's abominable
    1962 — Flying Clipper — sounds like it's less than the Flicker Alley release

    Nordic Countries have a 4K release of Django (1966) through Soul Media. This a truly odd release that appears legit, but it's a UHD transfer a BD50 BD-R. Transfer is supposed to be decent at best.

  35. TJPC

    The Wizard of Oz, was made with all the top technology circa 1938. Is there any doubt that they would have used 3D and wide screen for that matter if it was available at that time?

    Sure – but those weren't available so they didn't make it that way so what's your point?

  36. I honestly cannot believe people still have these discussions. People swore that a black and white movie from the ’30s or ’40s couldn’t possibly benefit from HD. They were wrong! Now they say a movie from 1939 couldn’t possibly benefit from an upgrade to 4K (aside from HDR), despite the fact 35mm film is a higher resolution than 4K video. I would think the people on this site at least would know better.

  37. Personally, I'm really quite eager to learn how both a 1939 film and "The Wizard of Oz" will fare under the guises of the 4K/UHD format. It's actually quite exciting, as we're heading into some uncharted waters with "River Kwai" being the oldest to date. Without myself being versed in the technical nomenclature of this new frontier, I'll just sit back, enjoy these anticipations and await it all until the unveiling. We can't lose. If the reviews are poor, then we don't have to spend a single red cent. But, if "The Wizard of Oz" proves itself to be akin to a visual revelation, then we'll all be having having ourselves another day of fireworks during its release month of July. Either way, folks, we're heading towards a major learning curve of discovery; be they limits or boundlessness. Good luck to us all.:thumbs-up-smiley:

  38. Worth

    Yup. The oldest right now is The Bridge on the River Kwai from 1957. I'd imagine Oz will hold the record for quite some time, maybe for good.

    Isn’t “Its a Wonderful Life” in UHD on iTunes or doesn’t that count?

  39. TJPC

    Also, it is not sacred text, but just a movie. They did not translate the bible into “Valley speak”.

    That analogy falls flat when you consider the myriad of translations that already exist for the Bible. The King James Version with all its "thees" and "thous" is no more authentic to the original Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek texts than Valley speak would be!

  40. I'll be adding the 4k version to my 70th Anniversary box, which already houses the terrific 3D version as well as the flat. I can only watch the 3D version when my beloved wife is out, as she can't stand 3D!
    I'm looking to more classic 4K releases … maybe 'The Adventures of Robin Hood' and 'Meet Me in St Louis' would benefit, because of their wonderful Technicolor. And I'd be surprised if we didn't see a 4K version of 'Casablanca' along the way, It's too significant a Warners asset to ignore.

  41. darkrock17


    50th – 1989 THE BIG ONE
    55th – 1994 Nothing
    60th – 1999 Nothing in the US, did have a limited run in the UK though.
    65th – 2004 Nothing
    70th – 2009 First time on
    Blu
    75th – 2014 IMAX 3D release
    80th – 2019 UHD

    1999 was a limited nationwide film release. Including several beautiful dye transfer prints.

  42. displacedneb

    1999 was a limited nationwide film release. Including several beautiful dye transfer prints.

    Must of not of been shown anywhere in my area, may of played somewhere in D.C. or Maryland that my parents weren't going to drive to just to see this film. I saw the 1998 Special Edition near Potomac Mills mall.

  43. I believe this release on 4K was inevitable. I'm going to hold on until I see some reviews. It sounds so far that they're just doing a 4K release of the version they've offered for several years now. We're aware that they future-proofed the restoration in 8K. But I don't know if this version has ever been…quite right. Some of the color choices looked odd to me. I don't know if that means they were over-saturated or what. Hard to tell the filmmaker's intentions, sometimes, with Technicolor palettes, especially that early on. The version looks good, but I've never been sure how authentic it really is. I can only compare it to old, old vhs releases (which were terrible), and the 50th anniversary vhs (which was also terrible). And now I read through this thread and they're talking about lines of dialogue being dropped and so on. I don't know what to expect.

  44. noel aguirre

    Isn’t “Its a Wonderful Life” in UHD on iTunes or doesn’t that count?

    In my book, everything counts; as its there, ready, done and spruced; only not yet in our physical media hands. One day, hopefully, but there have been valid observations and takes posted elsewhere that point towards Paramount's shift towards exclusive streaming.

    But here is the pecking order thus far:
    "Bridge on the River Kwai" (1957) is, at this moment, the oldest catalog title available on a 4K/UHD disc
    "It's a Wonderful Life" (1946) is not on disc; but is a streaming 4K restoration.
    "The Wizard of Oz" (1939) is in the batter's box for a July release, with a new 4K/UHD disc yest to be reviewed.

  45. Mark-P

    That analogy falls flat when you consider the myriad of translations that already exist for the Bible. The King James Version with all its "thees" and "thous" is no more authentic to the original Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek texts than Valley speak would be!

    HAH !!! That's where thou is wrong. For a film purist, thee only correct version comes from the book of John Huston;
    which was distributed in 1966 and stars Peter O' Toole and George C. Scott.:roll:

  46. Mark-P

    That analogy falls flat when you consider the myriad of translations that already exist for the Bible. The King James Version with all its "thees" and "thous" is no more authentic to the original Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek texts than Valley speak would be!

    You missed my point completely, which was that no one should be upset by changes made to a mere movie. It is not something that is important to the world at large like frivolous or blasphemous changes to a sacred text would be to a vast amount of people. (Not me, I don’t care if translations to Klingon are made!).

  47. TJPC

    You missed my point completely, which was that no one should be upset by changes made to a mere movie. It is not something that is important to the world at large like frivolous or blasphemous changes to a sacred text would be to a vast amount of people. (Not me, I don’t care if translations to Klingon are made!).

    To some people, movies are sacred texts and those "other things" are frivolous. Why don't we just respect each other's "holy grails"?

  48. Ross Gowland

    A 3D Wizard of Oz is like a colourised Casablanca. No matter how well it’s done, it’s a gimmick too far.

    Heck, even Mary Poppins had to turn the aversions of her castor oil into a colorful flavorful concoction, in order to spoon feed its benefits to both Jane and Michael Banks.;)

  49. Paul Rossen

    I would also like to know how It's A Wonderful Life look and sound like in 4k? Better than previous video incarnations?

    It looks very nice for a low-budget film of its vintage. Some shots look better than others, but overall it's very pleasing. Don't expect to be blown away, though. It isn't demo material. I'd say that if you're a fan of the film (and if you aren't, shame on you, Mr. Potter!), then it's worth getting. It's the best the film has looked on home video. I do wish there was a disc release so that we could have a much higher bitrate, but such is life. The sound is clear, which is the best we can expect from a mono soundtrack of its age.

  50. Paul Rossen

    I would also like to know how It's A Wonderful Life look and sound like in 4k? Better than previous video incarnations?

    I don't even have a 4K set, but the new restoration looks amazing at 1080p.

  51. Brian Kidd

    It looks very nice for a low-budget film of its vintage. Some shots look better than others, but overall it's very pleasing. Don't expect to be blown away, though. It isn't demo material. I'd say that if you're a fan of the film (and if you aren't, shame on you, Mr. Potter!), then it's worth getting. It's the best the film has looked on home video. I do wish there was a disc release so that we could have a much higher bitrate, but such is life. The sound is clear, which is the best we can expect from a mono soundtrack of its age.

    Low budget? Over 3 million in 1946 doesn’t sound low to me

  52. Ross Gowland

    A 3D Wizard of Oz is like a colourised Casablanca. No matter how well it’s done, it’s a gimmick too far.

    Going from B&W to fake colour is not analogous to opening both your eyes when you’ve only had one open prior.

  53. I’ve heard about the audio mix issues and that sounds like unfortunately a side effect that has become more and more common even among legacy original mixes being retained. For example: Ben-Hur carries a remix, North by Northwest is still minus it’s original mono mix, and many original monos if not changed somehow are lossy encodes or have dramatic noise reduction or overzealous cleanup applied to them. While I think the 4K Casablanca scan was amazing and that reissue BD the first release since the Criterion CAV Laserdisc to get the grayscale and B&W down pat to something like a 35mm print-the lossless mono doesn’t hold a candle to depth on the Criterion LD PCM tracks or even the later MGM LD boxset mono. Sadly I’m sure the eventual 4K Casablanca will be amazing but retain the same disappointing HD mono.

    I finally picked up the Criterion Oz a month or so ago to check out its exclusive special features. It’s long been a prized LD for those and a transfer of a supposed dye transfer Technicolor print from the MGM vaults. MGM later used that same source for their own LD and then eventually the big Ultimate OZ boxset-whose master got ported over for the first DVD release.

    I figured the recent Walmart dumping of the big 3D swag box meant a 4K release was upcoming so this is good news. Hopefully we get all the bonus features ported over with a remastered BD containing the new master so you don’t have to have a 3D player capable of disabling 3D just to view the new master like the previous release. I too think the 3D was an awful mistake but at least it did not get plastered around everywhere.

  54. What's not to understand? There is ZERO information about Heat on 4K Blu-ray, because it doesn't exist. You'll notice there is no release date. It is nothing but a placeholder.

    EDIT: NEVERMIND. I misread. I'm guessing that is precisely why you do not understand the post. My bad. I would have just deleted this, but couldn't find an option for that.

  55. David Weicker

    Low budget? Over 3 million in 1946 doesn’t sound low to me

    Oh, wow! I had no idea it was that expensive! I stand corrected. Still, I stand by my evaluation of the image quality. It looks really good, but it is never going to be one to show off as an example of the potential of 4K. If you love the movie, it's the best version yet, though.

  56. I always love the “but the filmmakers wouldn’t do it that way!” argument—as if any film producer past or present wouldn’t jump at the chance to augment their film with technological alterations (well-done or not.)

    Aside from filmmakers griping about the truly awful colorization processes, history has shown us time and again that if we fell on that “but the producers!” line and wrote it off depending on what they wanted, we’d be seeing everything before the ‘50s in widescreen with stereophonic sound…

    Incidentally, I heard no griping about the (inauthentic) stereophonic track, but plenty of moans about the 3D. Maybe some folks have tin ears and need the oil can.

  57. Spencer Draper

    I've heard about the audio mix issues and that sounds like unfortunately a side effect that has become more and more common even among legacy original mixes being retained. For example: Ben-Hur carries a remix, North by Northwest is still minus it's original mono .

    The Ben-Hur remix as on the blu ray sounds fine. However, the recent TCM showing in theater's blew the bluray out of the water. I couldn't believe the power of Rozsa' score in this showing. Wow! The NBNW stereo blu ray also sounds fine and opens up Herrmann's score as it should have been to begin with…

    And why would anyone need the original tracks for Bridge on the River Kwai Most of the remixes are just fine and in good taste.

    That said perhaps when Wonderful Life gets the 4k UHD treatment the film will be remixed in Dolby Atmos. Imagine hearing Dimitri Tiomkin"s score in Atmos sound. The Horror!

  58. Paul Rossen

    The Ben-Hur remix as on the blu ray sounds fine. However, the recent TCM showing in theater's blew the bluray out of the water. I couldn't believe the power of Rozsa' score in this showing. Wow! The NBNW stereo blu ray also sounds fine and opens up Herrmann's score as it should have been to begin with…

    Is it known if "Ben-Hur" would be a successful candidate for 4K/UHD?

  59. PMF

    Is it known if "Ben-Hur" would be a successful candidate for 4K/UHD?

    I'm hoping the BH is indeed released in 4K UHD and that it is a step above an already very good 1080p blu ray. It really should look and sound amazing even if it is 60'years old.

  60. I’m guessing that being “A Tale of Christ” might be turn off / politically incorrect in these times. Personally, one of my favorite films of all time.

  61. CarlosMeat

    I'm guessing that being "A Tale of Christ" might be turn off / politically incorrect in these times. Personally, one of my favorite films of all time.

    Yeah – so politically incorrect that they remade it a few years ago! 🙄

  62. Colin Jacobson

    Yeah – so politically incorrect that they remade it a few years ago! 🙄

    Funny how you can watch a movie by yourself, but see it very differently when viewed with other people. I have always thought the silent Ben-Hur was far superior to the 1950s version, so decided to show it to my class when we were studying the silent era.

    Sections of it are in 2 colour Technicolor, and the sea battle uses real ships instead of miniatures in a tub. I had forgotten however how much more religious it was than the later version, and most of the Technicolor sequences are reserved for the birth of Christ.
    I became very apprehensive while while watching it with my class, about a 1/3 of which were recent immigrants with Mohamed somewhere in there name. No one however seemed to think it was inappropriate, and they actually seemed to enjoy the film.

    I remember one technical question. One boy wanted to know why in the world they would choose to make the movie silent? Why not just have people talking?

  63. TJPC

    Funny how you can watch a movie by yourself, but see it very differently when viewed with other people. I have always thought the silent Ben-Hur was far superior to the 1950s version, so decided to show it to my class when we were studying the silent era.

    Sections of it are in 2 colour Technicolor, and the sea battle uses real ships instead of miniatures in a tub. I had forgotten however how much more religious it was than the later version, and most of the Technicolor sequences are reserved for the birth of Christ.
    I became very apprehensive while while watching it with my class, about a 1/3 of which were recent immigrants with Mohamed somewhere in there name. No one however seemed to think it was inappropriate, and they actually seemed to enjoy the film.

    There are plenty of Christian-based films out there these days. Heck, "Breakthrough" is still in the top 10 after 4 weeks.

    I think the comment about "Ben-Hur" being too "politically incorrect" for modern times was an attempt to promote the fictitious "war on Christianity" promoted in some circles…

  64. PMF

    Is it known if "Ben-Hur" would be a successful candidate for 4K/UHD?

    AcesHighStudios

    What possible reason could you have for thinking that it wouldn't be?

    Currently, we are learning that not every film is able to produce that "Wow" factor that one may assume would come with every 4K/UHD disc. Not the fault of the format; by any means; but in my gradual understandings of it all, I am surmising that it has to do with the film and stock that was created in an age of different technology. For example, "Bridge on the River Kwai" (1957) on 4K/UHD fell a bit short. There were many great improvements that made it worth my purchase and I could clearly see where this disc wanted to go; nonetheless, for every greater advancement seen on my screen there were trade-offs that magnified other weaker traits. I'm still learning about this new frontier of 4K/UHD in matters concerning 50+ year old catalog titles and so far, its been a fantastic ride. BTW, to be clear, I am rooting for "The Wizard of Oz" in 4K/UHD to be a success. Finally, if I've been off-track on anything concerning the technical, then please chirp in and correct me; as this was just my overall sense of things.

  65. Robert Crawford

    The result was not because of the subject matter, but that it was an awful film.

    Yeah – so politically incorrect that they remade it a few years ago!

    Do you know that ? Not to mention tough place when the moderators take sides rather than just moderating.[​IMG]

  66. CarlosMeat

    Do you know that ? Not to mention tough place when the moderators take sides rather than just moderating.

    Yes, it wasn't a good film and the CGI didn't help it either for me. As to your moderating comment, if you have an issue with it then contact me by private message. Otherwise, it's best you drop it right now.

  67. CarlosMeat

    Yeah – so politically incorrect that they remade it a few years ago!

    Do you know that ? Not to mention tough place when the moderators take sides rather than just moderating.[​IMG]

    Moderators get to have opinions too. On the whole the moderating staff is among the most profilific of posters here at HTF. I don't see a thing wrong with Robert's response, but if you ever feel that he, I or any other moderator is out of line, feel free to report their posts and neutral parties will review them for bias.

    Thanks!

  68. I once met Margaret Hamilton around the period of her Maxwell House ads.
    It was actually in the lobby of a hotel, where I once worked during my teen years.
    Great conversation and she couldn't had been nicer.
    Heck, she even autographed my "Making of The Wizard of Oz" book;
    which I ran home to get during a highly unscheduled meal break.;)

    Does anyone else have an "Oz" encounter to share?:chatter:

  69. It would be great if someone could find the additional deleted scenes (especially the wicked witch scenes) but they are probably buried under a California highway or at the bottom of the Pacific ocean. Thank you: Kirk Kerkorian 🙁

  70. Paul Rossen

    I'm hoping that BH is indeed released in 4K UHD and that it is a step above an already very good 1080p blu ray. It really should look and sound amazing even if it is 60'years old.

    From what I have seen of the 4k DCP you will be very pleased. Apart from the new HDR grading the resolution and colors will also be improved and the overall picture quality will be a significant step up from 2001, that already got rave reviews.

    Edit: I am mentioning 2001 as it was Warners' first large format classic that made it to UHD Blu-ray.

  71. KPmusmag

    My parents in fact saw it in 1939 (they were 7) and had also become a bit weary of the film over the years, but they were enchanted by the 3D version and said they felt like they saw it again for the first time.

    That is EXACTLY what we said after seeing the 3D edition. Having seen it countless times in various venues & formats, the 3D disc was like being a little kid seeing it for the first time. Better color & detail than the standard BD. Zero interest in getting an HDR (talk about gimmicks!) release. It won't be even remotely the same experience. For me, the 3D version is definitive & will never view it in any flat format ever again.

  72. RJ992

    That is EXACTLY what we said after seeing the 3D edition. Having seen it countless times in various venues & formats, the 3D disc was like being a little kid seeing it for the first time. Better color & detail than the standard BD. Zero interest in getting an HDR (talk about gimmicks!) release. It won't be even remotely the same experience. For me, the 3D version is definitive & will never view it in any flat format ever again.

    So, applying 3D to a movie that wasn't filmed in 3D is "definitive", but HDR is a "gimmick?" OK.

  73. RJ992

    That is EXACTLY what we said after seeing the 3D edition. Having seen it countless times in various venues & formats, the 3D disc was like being a little kid seeing it for the first time. Better color & detail than the standard BD. Zero interest in getting an HDR (talk about gimmicks!) release. It won't be even remotely the same experience. For me, the 3D version is definitive & will never view it in any flat format ever again.

    I have seen colorized movies, seen movies converted to 3D and recently in UHD HDR versions. If done well I found the HDR versions to look very natural and in any case the closest to a proper original presentation among the three options.

  74. Are there any new bonus features they can add for the re-release? I'm pretty happy with my Emerald Edition Blu-ray from the 70th anniversary, and then I think they did something new for the 75th, but I never double-dipped. Obviously the 4K will be an upgrade for those who have embraced that format, but sentimentally, this has already been put out with so much care the last several times that I'm not really sure what else they could add.

  75. Day 1 for me. Regardless of price and regardless of case design.

    That is, just as long as Warner didn't screw up the 4K transfer. The early B&W portion had damn well better have the proper sepia tone and that yellow brick road had better POP with yellow greatness.

    Mark

  76. Mark Booth

    Day 1 for me. Regardless of price and regardless of case design.

    That is, just as long as Warner didn't screw up the 4K transfer. The early B&W portion had damn well better have the proper sepia tone and that yellow brick road had better POP with yellow greatness.

    Mark

    Warner screwing up one of their crown jewels? Not happening after so many prior home video releases of the same title that looked gorgeous.

  77. I got to see a pair of the ruby slippers, the Scarecrow's hat, and Glinda's wand last week at the Smithsonian. I also picked up the new book, "The Road to Oz," by Jay Scarfone and William Stillman when I got back. I'm not too far into it yet, but it goes into some fairly-detailed analysis of the earlier Oz films and the production of the 1939 film. Some of it was familiar, but there's enough in there that was new to be of interest to fans of the film who may have read previous books about it. It's definitely not "fluff." I'm anxious to read more of it.

  78. AnthonyClarke

    With new improved technology maybe they can colourise the B&W portion.

    Mark Booth

    Now that is some really sick humor! Bite your tongue, completely off, please. 🙂

    Mark

    Actually, it could work;
    just as long as they have a proper sepia tone for the entirety of the Oz sections to bring a balance to the whole film.;)
    Oh, yes, I almost forgot; Day One Purchase for me, too. Well, that is, if the Day One reviews are a reflection of all our hopes.:)

  79. PMF

    I once met Margaret Hamilton around the period of her Maxwell House ads.
    It was actually in the lobby of a hotel, where I once worked during my teen years.
    Great conversation and she couldn't have been nicer.
    Heck, she even autographed my "Making of The Wizard of Oz" book;
    which I ran home to get during a highly unscheduled meal break.;)

    Does anyone else have an "Oz" encounter to share?:chatter:

    Margaret Hamilton made an appearance at BU while she was in Boston touring with "A Little Night Music" in the mid 1970's.
    I remember she did the witch's laugh when someone requested it. Though she did not do the lines "I'll get you my pretty and your little dog, too" I guess that would have been asking too much.

  80. Jack Theakston

    Aside from filmmakers griping about the truly awful colorization processes, history has shown us time and again that if we fell on that “but the producers!” line and wrote it off depending on what they wanted, we’d be seeing everything before the ‘50s in widescreen with stereophonic sound…

    Except that they did reissue pre-widescreen movies retrofitted to widescreen ratios from the SuperScope Fantasia to the cropped-to-Hell 70mm Gone with the Wind to most pre-Lady and the Tramp Disney reissues up until the 1990s getting shown at 1.75:1 and likely many others. Some theaters gave up the ability to show Academy Ratio when they adopted widescreen. But with The Wizard of Oz many people's first memories of it are on TV, so ironically its aspect ratio was preserved, save for some overscan. I don't know what M-G-M did to the aspect ratio with the 1970 Children's Matinee issue, but in 1998 they windowboxed it inside the 1.85:1 frame just as The Mouse had started doing right before giving up on theatrical reissues altogether.

    AlexNH

    It would be great if someone could find the additional deleted scenes (especially the wicked witch scenes) but they are probably buried under a California highway or at the bottom of the Pacific ocean. Thank you: Kirk Kerkorian 🙁

    From what I can recall, those scenes were lost long before Kerkorian came into the picture.

  81. My digital copy came from an ultraviolet redemption, which means that my iTunes copy won’t automatically upgrade to 4K when the time comes. I guess I’ll have to find some way to repurchase in 4K. My god, I’ve purchased this damn movie in every format known to man including 3D Blu-Ray!

  82. Mark-P

    My digital copy came from an ultraviolet redemption, which means that my iTunes copy won’t automatically upgrade to 4K when the time comes. I guess I’ll have to find some way to repurchase in 4K. My god, I’ve purchased this damn movie in every format known to man including 3D Blu-Ray!

    You can always repurchase it on iTunes when it’s on sale and gift it to yourself. That will insure a 4K upgrade.

  83. The Scarecrow's dance still managed to survive when nothing else cut from the film did except in audio form. Two reprises were also cut, one of "Over the Rainbow" and one of "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" along with parts of "If I Were King of the Forest". The Ultimate Oz laserdisc box set from 1993 has a screenplay with the missing scenes indicated in bold, and this is available nowhere else that I'm aware of. The Rhino 2-CD soundtrack reveals the extent of how much music was recorded and cut along with it. Such is the nature of movie making.

  84. Mark-P

    I guess I’ll have to find some way to repurchase in 4K. My god, I’ve purchased this damn movie in every format known to man including 3D Blu-Ray!

    Tino

    You can always repurchase it on iTunes when it’s on sale and gift it to yourself. That will insure a 4K upgrade.

    I would say wait until it's available in 4K, then gift it to yourself. That way the 4K version will port into MA.

  85. Dave Moritz

    I am interested in getting this title on 4K Blu-ray but I want to find out if it is an upgrade to the blu-ray or not before buying it.

    Are you kidding? I have little doubt it's going to be an upgrade to the current blu-rays.

  86. Cranston37

    I would say wait until it's available in 4K, then gift it to yourself. That way the 4K version will port into MA.

    Theoretically that should work, but it actually doesn't. I've done the gift-it-to-yourself trick to get 4K upgrades on iTunes several times, and only iTunes gets bumped up to 4K. It has never bumped up to 4K in Movies Anywhere. And before you ask, yes I've done the disconnect/reconnect and that doesn't affect it either. I searched online and found that it was typical behavior that Movies Anywhere doesn't upgrade to 4K using this method. But enough of this, as it is completely off-topic.

  87. Mark-P

    Theoretically that should work, but it actually doesn't. I've done the gift-it-to-yourself trick to get 4K upgrades on iTunes several times, and only iTunes gets bumped up to 4K. It has never bumped up to 4K in Movies Anywhere. And before you ask, yes I've done the disconnect/reconnect and that doesn't affect it either. I searched online and found that it was typical behavior that Movies Anywhere doesn't upgrade to 4K. But enough of this, as it is completely off-topic.

    No, I'm not saying doing that would upgrade anything in MA. I'm saying you would essentially be buying a new copy and that new copy would would give you whatever MA resolution buying a new copy is supposed to give you (which might not always be 4K).

    I am definitely not saying you are guaranteed anything, but you will be giving yourself a chance to get 4K in MA by waiting.

  88. The movie was given a brand new 8K scan 5 years ago when they created the 3D version. But that new scan was only used on the 3D disc the regular Blu-ray that was included was the 70th Anniversary version from 5 years before that. There were a couple of defects on that Blu-ray. And of course the new scan was said to be an upgrade over the one that was done 10 years ago. So there is no way that the UHD 4K release could NOT be an improvement over the current Blu-rays that came out 5 and 10 years ago.
    Also the current BluRay is the older inferior VC – 1 encode.

  89. Dave Moritz

    I am thinking it should be but what I do not know is if the negative will translate to a really good 4K blu-ray. I am just being very careful after what happened with Terminator 2. I am wondering if they will use Dolby Vision with this release? I have gone from a DTS only guy to DTS and loving Dolby except the old lossy DD, lmao.

    There can be all kinds of improvements and niceties to make this a success and as for resolution one has to remember that the Blu-ray had less than 1500 pixels of horizontal resolution because of the black bars on the left and on the right of the picture. So even if the negative of Oz only held 2k resolution this could be a substantial upgrade over standard Blu-ray.
    How much more detailed it will look over a Blu-ray from the same master remains to be seen but obviously there are other benefits of the UHD format that weigh more heavily than sheer resolution that has not been very important since the inception of the format and I do not expect that to change any time soon.

  90. OliverK

    There can be all kinds of improvements and niceties to make this a success and as for resolution one has to remember that the Blu-ray had less than 1500 pixels of horizontal resolution because of the black bars on the left and on the right of the picture. So even if the negative of Oz only held 2k resolution this could be a substantial upgrade over standard Blu-ray.
    How much more detailed it will look over a Blu-ray from the same master remains to be seen but obviously there are other benefits of the UHD format that weigh more heavily than sheer resolution that has not been very important since the inception of the format and I do not expect that to change any time soon.

    Yeah, this is one of Warner's "holy grail" movies so I expect this to look and sound spectacular when it arrives on 4K/UHD disc.

  91. Robert Crawford

    Yeah, this is one of Warner's "holy grail" movies so I expect this to look and sound spectacular when it arrives on 4K/UHD disc.

    They will do their Best to make this a success ánd I really hope they'll succeed as this would bode well for some other titles that also got a special treatment in previous formats.

  92. Jake Lipson

    [..]this has already been put out with so much care the last several times that I'm not really sure what else they could add.

    It's down the road a bit, but the PRCP format will make all others obsolete.
    As it is, I'm the very first person here to be speaking officially of the PRCP format on-line.
    The PRCP format stands for the Purple Rose of Cairo Process;
    it will come with two optional ways of viewing a film:
    Option #1: All of our favorite stars will step out of the screens and into our living rooms.
    Option #2: We get to step into the film and share in the visceral action and experience of the plot.

  93. PMF

    It's down the road a bit, but the PRCP format will make all others obsolete.
    As it is, I'm the very first person here to be speaking officially of the PRCP format on-line.
    The PRCP format stands for the Purple Rose of Cairo Process;
    it will come with two optional ways of viewing a film:
    Option #1: All of our favorite stars will step out of the screens and into our living rooms.
    Option #2: We get to step into the film and share in the visceral action and experience of the plot.

    Doesn’t that already exist? If you’re in New York, you can see To Kill a Mockingbird, Aladdin, The Lion King, Beetlejuice, Mean Girls, King Kong and others, all with live actors right in front of you.

  94. It's being reported that iTunes has just upgraded The Wizard of Oz to 4K with HDR and Dolby vision for streaming.
    I don't stream but that just makes me feel more confident it's coming out imminently

  95. Camper

    It's being reported that iTunes has just upgraded The Wizard of Oz to 4K with HDR and Dolby vision for streaming.
    I don't stream but that just makes me feel more confident it's coming out imminently

    Indeed it has! While it’s certainly possible that Warner okayed the early iTunes release, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if it’s a mistake and iTunes pulls it back until the official October release date.

  96. Mark-P

    Indeed it has! While it’s certainly possible that Warner okayed the early iTunes release, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if it’s a mistake and iTunes pulls it back until the official October release date.

    I don't see it now.

  97. Camper

    It's being reported that iTunes has just upgraded The Wizard of Oz to 4K with HDR and Dolby vision for streaming.
    I don't stream but that just makes me feel more confident it's coming out imminently

    That confirms it!

  98. Robert Crawford

    Well, I didn't see it and checked twice more then decided to buy the HD Digital for $7.99 as a gamble and sure enough it's now in 4K/Dolby Vision.

    "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore" Wow, the Yellow Brick Road has never looked this good to my old eyes. Also, the 4K/Dolby Vision really accentuates the lines of makeup in this film as well as the background props and scenery.;)

    Yup. As I said in an earlier post (#145) since my current copy was an Ultraviolet redemption, I'll have to find another way to upgrade. One method is the gift-it-to-yourself trick, but I'm always looking for bargains, so I may wait for this bundle to go on sale which would unlock Oz in 4K and future proof the other 4 which are bound to get 4K releases at some point.

  99. After buying every single WOZ release on physical media I just downloaded the 4K UHD release from ITunes. I scanned thru it quickly and all I can say is wow. Very film-like, blacks are deep and rich, colors jump off the screen- the Ruby Slippers are almost too bright, the fire on the torches in the Witch’s castle looks as though it’s physically there in front of you. I can’t say how true a representation this is of Technicolor. I’m venturing to say we are now finally seeing what was picked up by those cameras 80 years ago, but the cynic in my says this is a whole lot of manipulation to get these colors.

    I can’t say how many thousands of times (no joke) I’ve watched this movie. With every upgrade you see more and this release is no exception- it’s stunning. My opinion might change once I sit down and actually watch but so far so good.

  100. RICK BOND

    Any 4K UHD News about …GWTW or Ben-Hur ??? Both are anniversaries this year also.

    And let's not forget Spartacus with its outstanding new restoration is celebrating an anniversary in 2020 which is now only 4 months away!

  101. Camper

    Any comments about the soundtrack?

    In quickly running thru a few scenes nothing with the audio stood out except than the stereo mix sounded balanced.

    Also, I believe they’ve corrected one audio issue. When Miss Gulch was putting Toto in the basket, one utterance of “Toto” was omitted from the last few releases. It appears to be back.

  102. moviebuff75
    So, Dorothy now says the full line, "Oh, Toto! Don't…"??​

    Well, I just compared it to my transfer of the 1989 VHS.

    “Oh don’t, Henry. (Sigh) Oh Toto, Toto. Toto.”

    That italicized “Toto” is still missing. Why is beyond me. If anyone knows of anything else that went awry with the newer transfers let me know and I’ll compare them to the VHS. This 1980 release is the least tampered with version that I have.

  103. Robert Crawford

    I'm not playing that scene again, but after saying "No, Uncle Henry she said Toto twice with the second Toto being more of a mutter.

    I didn’t hear the second Toto. Originally there were three- two before the reel/change in camera angle and one after. The second Toto before the change still seems to be missing to my ears.

  104. Jay_Z_525

    I didn’t hear the second Toto. Originally there were three- two before the reel/change in camera angle and one after. The second Toto before the change still seems to be missing to my ears.

    She says Toto the second time in which you can hardly hear her after the dog is placed in the basket.

  105. Robert Crawford

    She says Toto the second time in which you can hardly hear her after the dog is placed in the basket.

    I’ll listen to it again, if you heard it then it’s possible I missed it. I will say, it’s much more obvious on the 1980 transfer.

  106. moviebuff75

    Here is the version with the mistake:

    Robert Crawford

    She says Toto the second time when she places her fingers to her mouth. Anyhow, I'm done as this film looks fantastic in 4K/Dolby Vision.

    I agree. I’ll be double dipping- iTunes and a physical copy; its just that good.

  107. With a name like Toto, it begs to be spoken twice.
    Example: "To be, or not to be" versus "Toto be, or not Toto be".
    As you can well see, the difference is most definitely marketable.:)

  108. I sure wish Apple had a Roku channel. 🙁 I'd buy far more streaming versions from them if they did. I just can't justify spending the higher price for an Apple TV solely for their 4K releases. Oh, well. I'm really looking forward to the UHD disc release. This is one of those films that I've watched consistently since I was a child and it was only shown once-a-year on TV. Love it.

  109. The Digital Bits:

    "AppleTV and iTunes now have Warner’s The Wizard of Oz available for download in 4K with Dolby Vision. My industry sources tell me that a physical 4K Ultra HD release is coming too from Warner Bros. Home Entertainment, and should be announced soon."

  110. Cranston37

    The Digital Bits:

    "AppleTV and iTunes now have Warner’s The Wizard of Oz available for download in 4K with Dolby Vision. My industry sources tell me that a physical 4K Ultra HD release is coming too from Warner Bros. Home Entertainment, and should be announced soon."

    Well, to be 100% accurate, you cannot download ANYTHING from iTunes in 4K. Downloads are limited to 1080p. Mr. Hunt didn't choose his words very well there. 😉

  111. Cranston37

    The Digital Bits:

    "AppleTV and iTunes now have Warner’s The Wizard of Oz available for download in 4K with Dolby Vision. My industry sources tell me that a physical 4K Ultra HD release is coming too from Warner Bros. Home Entertainment, and should be announced soon."

    No kidding.:)

  112. Cranston37

    The Digital Bits:

    "AppleTV and iTunes now have Warner’s The Wizard of Oz available for download in 4K with Dolby Vision. My industry sources tell me that a physical 4K Ultra HD release is coming too from Warner Bros. Home Entertainment, and should be announced soon."

    Excuse me, but it's MGM, not Warner. WB just has distribution rights, MGM and Turner Entertainment are the copyright holders.

  113. Shouldn't those of us who have already purchased Wizard of Oz and redeemed an iTunes file automatically have it upgraded to 4k ?

    So far it's not showing up at all in the Canadian store.

  114. dpippel

    Well, to be 100% accurate, you cannot download ANYTHING from iTunes in 4K. Downloads are limited to 1080p. Mr. Hunt didn't choose his words very well there. 😉

    Robert Crawford

    No kidding.:)

    darkrock17

    Excuse me, but it's MGM, not Warner. WB just has distribution rights, MGM and Turner Entertainment are the copyright holders.

    Man, tough crowd.

    Re: MGM and Warner – the digital release is listed as Warner and it's Movies Anywhere enabled (MGM is not part of MA).

    Everything I can find says Warner's has owned the copyright to it since the late 90's…

  115. Cranston37

    Man, tough crowd…

    Re: MGM and Warner – the digital release is listed as Warner and it's Movies Anywhere enabled (MGM is not part of MA)

    I was just making light of Bill's reporting the obvious about a 4K disc coming.:)

  116. Cranston37

    Man, tough crowd.

    Re: MGM and Warner – the digital release is listed as Warner and it's Movies Anywhere enabled (MGM is not part of MA).

    Everything I can find says Warner's has owned the copyright to it since the late 90's…

    Techincally the copyright holder is Warner's subsidiary Turner Entertainment. MGM sold off its pre-1986 backlog to Turner in 1986, and Turner eventually merged with WarnerMedia. After 1986, due to contractual obligations with CBS, MGM did continue to hold TV rights until after CBS' deal had finally expired, so the remaining rights went to Turner. So any current release of "Oz" would be with Warner.

  117. Mark-P

    Indeed it has! While it’s certainly possible that Warner okayed the early iTunes release, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if it’s a mistake and iTunes pulls it back until the official October release date.

    Can someone who owns it in 4K confirm whether or not it has been dropped back to HD? Because as far as I can tell, the 4K version has been yanked.

  118. Mark-P

    Can someone who owns it in 4K confirm whether or not it has been dropped back to HD? Because as far as I can tell, the 4K version has been yanked.

    Yup, it was in Dolby Vision this morning and is now in HD. Not surprising as you stated and why I checked it earlier this morning. At least, I watched the entire film yesterday and will do so again in October.:)

  119. Mark-P

    Can someone who owns it in 4K confirm whether or not it has been dropped back to HD? Because as far as I can tell, the 4K version has been yanked.

    Robert Crawford

    Yup, it was in Dolby Vision this morning and is now in HD. Not surprising as you stated and why I checked it earlier this morning. At least, I watched the entire film yesterday and will do so again in October.:)

    I'm still seeing 4K DV in the main menu but I only own HD so I can't play to test…

  120. Robert Crawford

    Also, it's still listed as a 4K HDR title in the AppleTV app., but will only play in HD.

    Robert, that's typical behavior. The AppleTV App stores information which is often stale. At some point your app will refresh with current data. A lot of time when stuff gets bumped up to 4K it will take a while before my ATV apps show that information.

  121. Mark-P

    Robert, that's typical behavior. The AppleTV App stores information which is often stale. At some point your app will refresh with current data. A lot of time when stuff gets bumped up to 4K it will take a while before my ATV apps show that information.

    I know, but it played in 4K/Dolby Vision yesterday on The AppleTV App. I'm pretty sure that Warner wasn't happy with this early release and let Apple know it.

  122. deepscan

    Techincally the copyright holder is Warner's subsidiary Turner Entertainment. MGM sold off its pre-1986 backlog to Turner in 1986, and Turner eventually merged with WarnerMedia. After 1986, due to contractual obligations with CBS, MGM did continue to hold TV rights until after CBS' deal had finally expired, so the remaining rights went to Turner. So any current release of "Oz" would be with Warner.

    I believe that Turner actually extended the Wizard of Oz on CBS deal in exchange for Turner getting 'Gone With The Wind" back sooner. CBS signed a 20 year deal with MGM to broadcast "Gone With The Wind" in 1978.
    Turner wanted it back to launch TNT in 1988 and TCM in 1994. So CBS gave up TV rights to "Gone With The Wind" for more "Wizard of Oz" . "The Wizard of Oz " was last broadcast on CBS in 1998.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1978/04/06/…-for-tv-for-35-million-seventh-on-rental.html

  123. I can speculate what happened. The 4K digital file is obviously finished and has been supplied to digital retailers. For brand new releases, retailers know that they can't break the street date. iTunes assumed that since The Wizard of Oz was already out, there was no harm in upgrading their file now, but then found out otherwise! 😀

  124. Garysb

    I believe that Turner actually extended the Wizard of Oz on CBS deal in exchange for Turner getting 'Gone With The Wind" back sooner. CBS signed a 20 year deal to broadcast "Gone With The Wind" in 1978.
    Turner wanted it back to launch TNT in 1988 and TCM in 1994. So CBS gave up TV rights to "Gone With The Wind" for more "Wizard of Oz" . "The Wizard of Oz " was last broadcast on CBS in 1998.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1978/04/06/…-for-tv-for-35-million-seventh-on-rental.html

    It's last network broadcast was May 8 1998.

    [​IMG]

  125. Robert Crawford

    I see the cover art has changed since this morning too on iTunes.

    Yep, same with my 4K purchase. What's the best way to get a refund from Apple?

    Again, here's a perfect illustration of something that sucks about streaming. Content can be changed at any time, even on a previously purchased title.

  126. Gosh, I can't believe some of you guys are up-in-arms about this. iTunes made a boo-boo by releasing it early and was forced to undo it. Since they don't charge a premium for 4K, then you haven't technically paid for 4K, but you'll get your 4K upgrade when the official release date arrives. But go ahead and get your refunds and then when its officially released in October you can rebuy it for $14.99 🙄

  127. Mark-P

    Since they don't charge a premium for 4K, then you haven't technically paid for 4K

    I disagree with this. If it says 4K when you bought it, it's reasonable to expect that's what you're getting for your money.

    Remember some who bought it already had the HD version, meaning when it was downgraded they were left with nothing more than they had before. I have no problem with anyone wanting a refund in this case.

  128. Cranston37

    I disagree with this part of your post. If it says 4K when you bought it, it's reasonable for you to expect that's what you are getting for your money.

    Remember some who bought it may have already had the HD version, meaning when it was downgraded they were left with nothing more than they had before. I have no problem with anyone wanting a refund in this case.

    To quote a line from Pulp Fiction – "Exactamundo!"

  129. Mark-P

    Gosh, I can't believe some of you guys are up-in-arms about this. iTunes made a boo-boo by releasing it early and was forced to undo it. Since they don't charge a premium for 4K, then you haven't technically paid for 4K, but you'll get your 4K upgrade when the official release date arrives. But go ahead and get your refunds and then when its officially released in October you can rebuy it for $14.99 🙄

    Nope. If I don't end up buying it on disc I'll wait until the 4K streaming version hits $7.99 or less, which is the reason I bought it in the first place.

  130. Cranston37

    I disagree with this. If it says 4K when you bought it, it's reasonable for you to expect that's what you are getting for your money.

    Remember some who bought it may have already had the HD version, meaning when it was downgraded they were left with nothing more than they had before. I have no problem with anyone wanting a refund in this case.

    Oh I wasn’t suggesting people aren’t entitled to a refund. Of course they are. I was responding to the whole “this is why streaming sucks!” mantra.

  131. Are you referring to my comment Mark? If so, I didn't say that streaming sucks. I said that the provider's ability to alter content at-will is one of the things THAT sucks about the technology, and IMO it is. YMMV.

  132. Mark-P

    Gosh, I can't believe some of you guys are up-in-arms about this. iTunes made a boo-boo by releasing it early and was forced to undo it. Since they don't charge a premium for 4K, then you haven't technically paid for 4K, but you'll get your 4K upgrade when the official release date arrives. But go ahead and get your refunds and then when its officially released in October you can rebuy it for $14.99 🙄

    Why are you using plural in "guys"? I see one person asking about a refund.

  133. Mark-P

    Oh I wasn’t suggesting people aren’t entitled to a refund. Of course they are. I was responding to the whole “this is why streaming sucks!” mantra.

    It seems like those responding to this recent streaming issue are those that totally bought into streaming so I don't understand your narrative here.

  134. dpippel

    Are you referring to my comment Mark? If so, I didn't say that streaming sucks. I said that the provider's ability to alter content at-will is one of the things THAT sucks about the technology, and IMO it is. YMMV.

    I argue on the other side of that issue. I wish I could get iTunes to swap out some of their older modified aspect ratio files with the newer OAR files, Darby O’Gill and the Little People and The Year of Living Dangerously just to name two.

  135. PMF

    With a name like Toto, it begs to be spoken twice.
    Example: "To be, or not to be" versus "Toto be, or not Toto be".
    As you can well see, the difference is most definitely marketable.:)

    And then there Toto IV 🙂

    [​IMG]
    Out on Vinyl again for the first time … 😎

  136. moviebuff75

    Does iTunes do this often? I would think they would know better, unless it was pulled for another reason.

    I think the more accurate question is 'does Warners do this often.'

    These streaming services are at the mercy of the studios for the content they provide. For the things they can control, like issuing refunds if requested, they are top notch.

  137. Cranston37

    To anyone who bought it when it was 4K – what resolution do you have it in Movies Anywhere as?

    It still shows as 4K in my Movies Anywhere account.

    I am not going to ask for a refund. Apple will upgrade it again to 4K in October (if not sooner), and I doubt it will drop below the $7.99 price again for a long time.

  138. Scott Merryfield

    It still shows as 4K in my Movies Anywhere account.

    Man, we have info all over the place on this.

    You're saying yours is 4K in MA… Robert said his is still HD in MA… Tino in another thread is saying iTunes has put back the 4K version…

    I think we might need some more info here before passing judgment on iTunes or streaming on general

  139. Cranston37

    Man, we just have info all over the place for this.

    You're saying yours is 4K in MA… Robert said his MA never changed from HD… Tino in another thread is saying iTubes has put the 4K version back…

    Robert gifted it to himself in iTunes because he already had the HDX version both in iTunes and MA. I did not have the title in my streaming library at all, so the 4K version was the first time it went to Movies Anywhere. It's the convoluted world of digital streaming and Movies Anywhere at work once more..

  140. Scott Merryfield

    Robert gifted it to himself in iTunes because he already had the HDX version both in iTunes and MA. I did not have the title in my streaming library at all, so the 4K version was the first time it went to Movies Anywhere. It's the convoluted world of digital streaming and Movies Anywhere at work once more..

    When I did the same with other titles my MA version upgraded accordingly. When you gift it to yourself, it's still your account that is connected to MA making the purchase.

    I totally agree the convoluted world of digital streaming and Movies Anywhere is the problem we are all dealing with here…

  141. Scott Merryfield

    It still shows as 4K in my Movies Anywhere account.

    I am not going to ask for a refund. Apple will upgrade it again to 4K in October (if not sooner), and I doubt it will drop below the $7.99 price again for a long time.

    I would play it to make sure as showing as 4K and actually playing in 4K are two different things.:)

  142. Scott Merryfield

    It still shows as 4K in my Movies Anywhere account.

    I am not going to ask for a refund. Apple will upgrade it again to 4K in October (if not sooner), and I doubt it will drop below the $7.99 price again for a long time.

    I would play it to make sure as showing as 4K and actually playing in 4K are two different things.:)

  143. Robert Crawford

    I would play it to make sure as showing as 4K and actually playing in 4K are two different things.:)

    I still haven't got around to installing the Movies Anywhere app on my Apple TV 4K. I guess this may be the incentive I need. 😉

  144. Robert Crawford

    I would play it to make sure as showing as 4K and actually playing in 4K are two different things.:)

    I still haven't got around to installing the Movies Anywhere app on my Apple TV 4K. I guess this may be the incentive I need. 😉

  145. Scott Merryfield

    I still haven't got around to installing the Movies Anywhere app on my Apple TV 4K. I guess this may be the incentive I need. 😉

    I'm just saying Scott that I don't trust their 4K designates as I've been fool by them beforehand when a title shows that, but plays in HD.

  146. Scott Merryfield

    I still haven't got around to installing the Movies Anywhere app on my Apple TV 4K. I guess this may be the incentive I need. 😉

    I'm just saying Scott that I don't trust their 4K designates as I've been fool by them beforehand when a title shows that, but plays in HD.

  147. Robert Crawford

    I'm just saying Scott that I don't trust their 4K designates as I've been fool by them beforehand when a title shows that, but plays in HD.

    That's how I understood your comment, Robert. I just meant I need to install the MA app just to check out how it plays, as I have never had a need to play anything directly via MA as yet.

  148. Robert Crawford

    I'm just saying Scott that I don't trust their 4K designates as I've been fool by them beforehand when a title shows that, but plays in HD.

    That's how I understood your comment, Robert. I just meant I need to install the MA app just to check out how it plays, as I have never had a need to play anything directly via MA as yet.

  149. Scott Merryfield

    That's how I understood your comment, Robert. I just meant I need to install the MA app just to check out how it plays, as I have never had a need to play anything directly via MA as yet.

    Understood and I would install it, even though, you might not use MA very often.

  150. Robert Crawford

    Understood and I would install it, even though, you might not use MA very often.

    Just installed the app. MA indicates I own the 4K version, but under the "play movie" button there is a statement that this film is currently unavailable to play in 4K.

    Well, at least MA recognizes that I bought the 4K version.

  151. dpippel

    What a PITA. Netflix started streaming TWELVE years ago, in 2007. Maybe by 2029 the industry will get it all figured out, but I'm not holding my breath.

    Every format has always had and always will have its issues. Right now there are threads of people having discs that won't play after a couple of years or people having to wait a long time to get their copy of The Thin Man to ship. It's good to be aware of these problems when they come up but nothing will ever be perfect.

  152. Cranston37

    Every format has always had and always will have its issues. Right now there are threads of people having discs that won't play after a couple of years or people having to wait a long time to get their copy of The Thin Man to ship. It's good to be aware of these problems when they come up but nothing will ever be perfect.

    Technical issues will always be with us, but this isn't a technical issue.

  153. Scott Merryfield

    Robert gifted it to himself in iTunes because he already had the HDX version both in iTunes and MA. I did not have the title in my streaming library at all, so the 4K version was the first time it went to Movies Anywhere. It's the convoluted world of digital streaming and Movies Anywhere at work once more..

    Cranston37

    When I did the same with other titles my MA version upgraded accordingly. When you gift it to yourself, it's still your account that is connected to MA making the purchase.

    I totally agree the convoluted world of digital streaming and Movies Anywhere is the problem we are all dealing with here…

    I agree. I've done the gift-it-to-yourself trick several times, and while it successfully upgrades my iTunes copy to 4K, Movies Anywhere still stays HD for me. After searching answers on the internet I found that this is typical behavior, most likely a glitch. First time purchases normally import correctly if they are 4K at the time of purchase.

  154. Mark-P

    I agree. I've done the gift-it-to-yourself trick several times, and while it successfully upgrades my iTunes copy to 4K, Movies Anywhere still stays HD for me. After searching answers on the internet I found that this is typical behavior, most likely a glitch. First time purchases normally import correctly if they are 4K at the time of purchase.

    Is it me or is the 4K stream back? Apple TV said 4K all along even when it reverted to HD, but to my eyes it looks like it’s streaming in 4K again.

  155. Cranston37

    To make sure this is clear – what the movie's main screen says for resolution is NOT the resolution you are playing. That is seen when playing the movie.

    The Wizard of Oz shows 4K DV on the main screen but is not currently playing 4K.

    Here is what it looks like (tvOS 13):

    (You will have to zoom in to see resolution)

    View attachment 61854 View attachment 61855

    Those are not good screen grabs. The first looks just like every photo we've seen by now from this film. The second one has Dorothy ghosting.

  156. darkrock17

    Those are not good screen grabs. The first looks just like every photo we've seen by now from this film. The second one has Dorothy ghosting.

    They're pictures taken of my TV with my phone only meant to show what resolution is listed in the menu, not picture quality.

  157. Cranston37

    They're pictures taken of my TV with my phone only meant to show the listed resolution, not picture quality.

    I can’t believe you actually had to explain that. It’s obvious that’s what you were doing Cranston. Jeez.;)

  158. Cranston37

    To make sure this is clear – what the movie's main screen says for resolution is NOT the resolution you are playing. That is seen when playing the movie.

    The Wizard of Oz shows 4K DV on the main screen but is not currently playing 4K.

    Here is what it looks like (tvOS 13):

    (You will have to zoom in to see resolution)

    View attachment 61854 View attachment 61855

    Ah damn. I checked my phone which looked the same as I remembered it. Check in Apple TV and it’s HD. Ah well.

  159. Tino

    I can’t believe you actually had to explain that. It’s obvious that’s what you were doing Cranston. Jeez.;)

    As Johnny would say to the great Senor Wences, "Is obvious to you, for me ess not so much"

    [​IMG]

  160. No it's not. "Misquoting" doesn't have to do with getting every word EXACTLY right as it was in the original version it's about context and meaning. And when people people say "I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore" they're not misquoting the sentiment or the meaning of the statement. Whether they say, I have or I've or I've got — makes no difference. This is just people trying to prove how smart and expert they are on any given subject which is what the internet is all about. What we need is an announcement from Warner Brothers to get the subject back to the disc.

  161. Camper

    This is just people trying to prove how smart and expert they are on any given subject which is what the internet is all about. What we need is an announcement from Warner Brothers to get the subject back to the disc.

    Rather harsh, but until Warner makes an announcement there really isn't much to discuss right now.

  162. moviebuff75

    Premiered in Hollywood 80 years ago last night. Premiered in New York 80 years ago tomorrow. Happy 80th to my beloved THE WIZARD OF OZ.

    Yup, I got my 2020 calendar from AFI today with "The Wizard of Oz" on the cover page.

  163. Is "A" for Atmos?

    How about the features? The stand-alone 75th Anniversary Blu-ray did not even include the outtakes which the 70th Anniversary had. So you had to buy a more deluxe version of the 75th in order to get stuff that had already been on a previous release that wasn't Deluxe.

  164. moviebuff75

    Premiered in Hollywood 80 years ago last night. Premiered in New York 80 years ago tomorrow. Happy 80th to my beloved THE WIZARD OF OZ.

    Premiered in Green Bay, Wisconsin on August 10, 1939. It then played in Appleton and Oshkosh on August 11. Then in Oconomowoc on August 12. Source:

    https://www.jsonline.com/story/comm…emiere-oconomowocs-strand-theatre/2000740001/

    Mark

  165. Both iTunes on my Mac and the listing on my Apple TV 4K are showing 'Wizard of Oz' being available only in HD as the max resolution. Neither one shows it available in 4K.

    I do not own a digital copy of the film. The purchase price for the HD version has gone up to $14.99. At $7.99 I'd buy it to see if it was in 4K once purchased. But not for $14.99, I'll wait for the 4K Blu-ray.

    Mark

  166. He was referring to the official red carpet type premiere at Grauman's Chinese Theater. Not the previews they did in a few places elsewhere. But thanks for pointing those out very interesting

  167. Mark Booth

    Both iTunes on my Mac and the listing on my Apple TV 4K are showing 'Wizard of Oz' being available only in HD as the max resolution. Neither one shows it available in 4K.

    I do not own a digital copy of the film. The purchase price for the HD version has gone up to $14.99. At $7.99 I'd buy it to see if it was in 4K once purchased. But not for $14.99, I'll wait for the 4K Blu-ray.

    Mark

    The 4K version was pulled. It's only HD now.

  168. I'm a bit curious as to whether THE WIZARD OF OZ (1925) silent feature might finally get a proper HD release, instead of the awful looking stair step SD port over transfer treatment that it got on the previous Blu-ray releases. I've kept the 3 disc WOZ 2005 DVD set in part because the above title actually looks better on that release!

    CHEERS! 🙂

  169. TJPC

    This silent version is such a turkey, that it is only improved by a poor copy!

    I'll grant you it's no classic, but it might as well be made to look as good as feasible, even if that means sticking with the DVD format to avoid the stair step effect.

    I have a different DVD release of the 1925 WOZ silent that plays at 90 minutes (Slower frame rate!), instead of the 72 minute running time on the WOZ sets, PLUS baked in story telling audio narrated by a former '70s era softcore adult actress, so it COULD be worse! 😀

    CHEERS! 🙂

  170. moviebuff75

    My mom's birthday is today, the anniversary of the New York premiere. My birthday is November 3rd, the anniversary of the television premiere. I was destined to love this movie!

    My wife's and my 28th Wedding Anniversary is today!

  171. Tony Bensley

    My wife's and my 28th Wedding Anniversary is today!

    Happy Anniversary to you guys and many more years of happiness together Tony and all my best to you and your bride. CHEERS!!

  172. And on anniversaries .. my wife Robyn and I this year celebrated our 50th. No, we can't believe it either. But the wedding happened while we were living in London .. at the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea Register Office.

  173. AnthonyClarke

    And on anniversaries .. my wife Robyn and I this year celebrated our 50th. No, we can't believe it either. But the wedding happened while we were living in London .. at the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea Register Office.

    Congrats. My wife and I celebrate our 30th a week from tomorrow.

  174. darkrock17

    Oz had a few pre-Hollywood premieres, but August 25 1939 is what is usually regarded as the film's actual release date.

    Not to be "that guy" but I THINK you meant to write August 15th, the date of the premiere at Grauman's.

  175. AnthonyClarke

    And on anniversaries .. my wife Robyn and I this year celebrated our 50th. No, we can't believe it either. But the wedding happened while we were living in London .. at the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea Register Office.

    Congratulations on yours and Robyn's Golden 50th, Anthony! 🙂

    Scott Merryfield

    Congrats. My wife and I celebrate our 30th a week from tomorrow.

    Congratulations in advance for your 30th, Scott! The time sure flies! 🙂

    CHEERS! 🙂

  176. moviebuff75

    My mom's birthday is today, the anniversary of the New York premiere. My birthday is November 3rd, the anniversary of the television premiere. I was destined to love this movie!

    Hope your Mom's birthday was a great one! 🙂

    CHEERS! 🙂

  177. Camper

    He was referring to the movie's wide release — Aug 25. Not the premieres.

    Well you can't really regard something as THE release date when it ignores a film's opening in the largest market in the country. It opened in New York on August 17th and was seen by approximately 250,000 people in that city alone by August 25th!

  178. Camper

    I meant all that I care about is the movie — not that I was concerned it would be messed up.

    This is was one of my top 5 titles I wanted on UHD. Bring on Spartacus and West Side Story.

    With Spielberg's upcoming theatrical revision I would highly guess that West Side Story is in the works for 4k.

  179. Robert Crawford

    I hope it's just the Steelbook that is exclusive at Best Buy. If not then that's a bad job by Warner.

    It's just the steelbook. They have a placeholder for the regular 4K release, but no cover art yet.

  180. Ronald Epstein

    …and anything that appears on Amazon is worthless. You can't get Warner product from them on time anymore.

    Amen, brother.

    I figure to take ownership of The Thin Man from Amazon sometime around 2034 (in time for its 100th anniversary).

  181. Mike Frezon

    Amen, brother.

    I figure to take ownership of The Thin Man from Amazon sometime around 2034 (in time for its 100th anniversary).

    Hahaha! Yeah, I had to cancel my Amazon order of TTM and buy it from BestBuy.

    However, BestBuy doesn't get all the WAC titles. They didn't have Prisoner of Second Avenue or Wagon Master. Had to go to Deep Discount for those. Deep Discount is okay, but their standard shipping takes a good week to get to you.

  182. Robert Crawford

    I don't know why you're concern about the disc as there is no way that Warner screws up this "crown jewel" movie.

    I'm sure they won't. But I just can't go back to 2D for this on any format. The 3D edition was like being 5 yrs old and seeing it for the very first time. Better than the 1080p in both detail & color. Doubt I'll ever opt for viewing a flat version again.

  183. Garysb

    I believe that Turner actually extended the Wizard of Oz on CBS deal in exchange for Turner getting 'Gone With The Wind" back sooner. CBS signed a 20 year deal with MGM to broadcast "Gone With The Wind" in 1978.
    Turner wanted it back to launch TNT in 1988 and TCM in 1994. So CBS gave up TV rights to "Gone With The Wind" for more "Wizard of Oz" . "The Wizard of Oz " was last broadcast on CBS in 1998.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1978/04/06/…-for-tv-for-35-million-seventh-on-rental.html

    Clam Gable? :

    The 1939 M‐G.M film with Clam Gable, Vivien Leigh, Leslie Howard and Olivia de Havilland, will probably be shown in the fall for the first of the 20 appearances permitted wider the contract

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  185. darkrock17

    The cover art for this upcoming edition is awful, it looks like WB were trying to to go for a comic book look, something like that jumbo comic book both Marvel and DC collaborated together on in the 1970's.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    I don't know what the Wicked Witch is doing flying over Kansas but I don't think it is so bad. It references the Black and White and Technicolor aspects of the film and the tornado. It actually has a lot of the film in one picture. Dorothy and her friends are from a photograph, not a drawing. Only major character missing is the Wizard.

  186. Garysb

    I don't know what the Wicked Witch is doing flying over Kansas but I don't think it is so bad. It references the Black and White and Technicolor aspects of the film and the tornado. It actually has a lot of the film in one picture. Dorothy and her friends are from a photograph, not a drawing. Only major character missing is the Wizard.

    There is a brief scene in which the Wicked Witch is flying in the tornado in black and white.

  187. Cover art used to be a huge pet peeve for me.

    I always felt that the history of the film had to be preserved through these releases, and as such, the original poster artwork should be what appears on the box.

    …but those feelings date back to the days of VHS.

    As time moved forward and formats died while others rose, I began to care less and less about cover art.

    I still feel that, absolutely, these releases should be a historical representation of the film itself. However, with a film like THE WIZARD OF OZ having close to a dozen different incarnations on home video, I can't expect Warner Bros. to even consider using original artwork. If you look at the original poster for this film, it looks awfully dated.

    No, I don't particularly care for the new artwork that someone at the studio came up with. However, this is what the studio thinks will stand out on store shelves this holiday season.

  188. Ronald Epstein

    Cover art used to be a huge pet peeve for me.

    I always felt that the history of the film had to be preserved through these releases, and as such, the original poster artwork should be what appears on the box.

    …but those feelings date back to the days of VHS.

    As time moved forward and formats died while others rose, I began to care less and less about cover art.

    I still feel that, absolutely, these releases should be a historical representation of the film itself. However, with a film like THE WIZARD OF OZ having close to a dozen different incarnations on home video, I can't expect Warner Bros. to even consider using original artwork. If you look at the original poster for this film, it looks awfully dated.

    No, I don't particularly care for the new artwork that someone at the studio came up with. However, this is what the studio thinks will stand out on store shelves this holiday season.

    Yup!

  189. Andrew Budgell

    I'm not a stickler for original poster art being recycled for cover art, but this is particularly bad. I think the steelbook is simple and beautiful.

    This picture is not beautiful, it's been air brushed to no end.

    [​IMG]

  190. Andrew Budgell

    I'm not a stickler for original poster art being recycled for cover art, but this is particularly bad. I think the steelbook is simple and beautiful.

    This picture is not beautiful, it's been air brushed to no end.

    [​IMG]

  191. [​IMG]

    WARNER BROS. HOME ENTERTAINMENT
    ANNOUNCES THE BELOVED CLASSIC
    THE WIZARD OF OZ
    TO BE RELEASED ON 4K ULTRA HD BLU-RAY & DIGITAL

    ACCLAIMED AS ONE OF THE GREATEST FAMILY FILMS OF ALL TIME,
    THE WIZARD OF OZ
    WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 4K RESOLUTION WITH HIGH DYNAMIC RANGE (HDR)

    BURBANK, CA, August 22, 2019 – Warner Bros. Home Entertainment announced today that 1939’s acclaimed and beloved classic The Wizard of Oz will be released on Ultra HD Blu-ray Combo Pack and Digital on October 29th. Directed by Victor Fleming (Gone With the Wind) and starring Judy Garland as Dorothy Gayle, The Wizard of Oz is widely considered to be one of the most influential films in cinematic history.

    Adapted from L. Frank Baum's timeless children’s tale about a Kansas girl’s journey over the rainbow, The Wizard of Oz officially premiered at Grauman's Chinese Theater on August 15, 1939. The film was directed by Victor Fleming (who that same year directed Gone With the Wind), produced by Mervyn LeRoy, and scored by Herbert Stothart, with music and lyrics by Harold Arlen and E.Y. Harburg. Ray Bolger appeared as the Scarecrow; Bert Lahr as the Cowardly Lion, Jack Haley as the Tin Woodman. Frank Morgan was seen in six different roles, including that of the "wonderful Wizard" himself. Dorothy was portrayed by a 4'11" sixteen year old girl who quickly earned her reputation as “the world’s greatest entertainer”– the incomparable Judy Garland.

    The Wizard of Oz received five Academy Award nominations, including Best Picture, and captured two Oscars® — Best Song (“Over the Rainbow”) and Best Original Score — plus a special award for Outstanding Juvenile Performance by Judy Garland. The film was an overwhelmingly popular and critical success upon its initial release and repeated its ability to captivate audiences when MGM reissued the film in 1949 and 1955.

    Released to wide acclaim and recognition, and with a long-lasting legacy in the film world, The Wizard of Oz owns a place in multiple AFI lists, including: 100 Years… 100 Movies (#6); 100 Years… 100 Thrills (#43); 100 Years… 100 Heroes and Villains (#4); 100 Years… 100 Songs (#1); 100 Years… 100 Movie Quotes (#4); and Greatest Movie Musicals (#3).

    In 1989 The Wizard of Oz was part of the inaugural group of films selected for preservation in the National Film Registry by the Library of Congress for being culturally, historically, and aesthetically significant.

    Using state of the art technology, a new 8K 16bit scan of the original Technicolor camera negative became the basis for the 4K UHD scan. The process was overseen by MPI colorist Janet Wilson, who has overseen every remaster of The Wizard of Oz for the past 20 years.

    Ultra HD** showcases 4K resolution with High Dynamic Range (HDR) and a wider color spectrum, offering consumers brighter, deeper, more lifelike colors for a home entertainment viewing experience like never before.

    The 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray disc of The Wizard of Oz will feature Dolby VisionTM HDR that dramatically expands the color palette and contrast range and uses dynamic metadata to automatically optimize the picture for every screen — frame by frame.

    The Wizard of Oz will be available on Ultra HD Blu-ray Combo Pack for $41.99 SRP and features an Ultra HD Blu-ray disc with the feature film in 4K with HDR and a Blu-ray disc of The Wizard of Oz. Fans can also own The Wizard of Oz in 4K Ultra HD via purchase from select digital retailers beginning on October 29th.

    Ultra HD Blu-ray and Blu-ray Elements

    The Wizard of Oz Ultra HD Blu-ray contains the following previously released special features:

    • Commentary by John Fricke with Barbara Freed-Saltzman, Margaret Hamilton, Ray Bolger, Jack Haley, John Lahr, Jane Lahr, Hamilton Meserve, Dona Massin, William Tuttle, Buddy Ebsen, Mervyn LeRoy and Jerry Maren.
    • 1990 CBS Special “The Wonderful Wizard of Oz: The Making of a Movie Classic.”

    The Wizard of Oz Blu-ray contains the following previously released special features:

    • Commentary- Commentary by John Fricke with Barbara Freed-Saltzman, Margaret Hamilton, Ray Bolger, Jack Haley, John Lahr, Jane Lahr, Hamilton Meserve, Dona Massin, William Tuttle, Buddy Ebsen, Mervyn LeRoy and Jerry Maren
    • The Making of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz
    • The Wonderful Wizard of Oz Storybook (narrated by Angela Lansbury)
    • We Haven’t Really Met Properly…
      • We Haven't Really Met Properly: "Frank Morgan"
      • We Haven't Really Met Properly: "Ray Bolger"
      • We Haven't Really Met Properly: "Bert Lahr"
      • We Haven't Really Met Properly: "Jack Haley"
      • We Haven't Really Met Properly: "Billie Burke"
      • We Haven't Really Met Properly: "Margaret Hamilton"
      • We Haven't Really Met Properly: "Charley Grapewin"
      • We Haven't Really Met Properly: "Clara Blandick"
      • We Haven't Really Met Properly: "Terry"
    • Music & Effects Track
    • Original Mono Track
    • Sing Along Tracks
    • Audio Jukebox
    • Leo is on the Air Radio Promo
    • Good News of 1939 Radio Show
    • 12/25/1950 Lux Radio Broadcast
    • Stills Galleries
      • Oz on Broadway
      • Pre-MGM
      • Sketches and Storyboards
      • Richard Thorpe’s Oz
      • Buddy Ebsen
      • Oz Comes to Life
      • Behind the Scenes
      • Portraits
      • Special Effects
      • Post Production
      • Deleted Scenes
      • Original Publicity
      • 8/15/1939 Hollywood Premiere
      • 8/17/1939 New York Premiere
      • 2/29/1940 Academy Awards® Ceremony
      • Oz Abroad
      • Oz Revivals
    • Trailers

    DIGITAL DISTRIBUTION ELEMENTS

    On October 29th, The Wizard of Oz 4K UHD will be available to own for streaming and download to watch anywhere in 4K Ultra HD high definition and standard definition on favorite devices from select digital retailers including iTunes, Amazon, GooglePlay, Vudu, Xbox and others, and will be made available digitally on Video On Demand services from cable and satellite providers, and on select gaming consoles.

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    Standard Street Date: October 29, 2019
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    Rating: Rated PG

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  192. Ronald Epstein

    Cover art used to be a huge pet peeve for me.

    I always felt that the history of the film had to be preserved through these releases, and as such, the original poster artwork should be what appears on the box.

    …but those feelings date back to the days of VHS.

    As time moved forward and formats died while others rose, I began to care less and less about cover art.

    I still feel that, absolutely, these releases should be a historical representation of the film itself. However, with a film like THE WIZARD OF OZ having close to a dozen different incarnations on home video, I can't expect Warner Bros. to even consider using original artwork. If you look at the original poster for this film, it looks awfully dated.

    No, I don't particularly care for the new artwork that someone at the studio came up with. However, this is what the studio thinks will stand out on store shelves this holiday season.

    It's good enough for me and far better than Warner's using the artist who sketched Criterion's cover art for "Tom Jones".
    Hey, we've got ourselves a 4K/UHD that's been derived from an 8K scan; what more can one ask for?:)

  193. Ronald Epstein

    […]Ultra HD** showcases 4K resolution with High Dynamic Range (HDR) and a wider color spectrum, offering consumers brighter, deeper, more lifelike colors for a home entertainment viewing experience like never before.[…]

    And what, exactly, are the "lifelike colors" of a scarecrow, a flying monkey and all things based on fantasy?:D

  194. I make my own DVDs, usually from movies shown on TCM. Virtually every movie ever made has the original poster and lobby cards on line. I print these. If you don’t like the cover for a blu ray etc., it takes 5 minutes to print your own, and just slip it in under the plastic.

  195. I actually like both covers and I have no doubt the one with Dorothy in a field of flowers was meant to be very vivid and to leap off the cover. What is more important is the quality of the video transfer and the audio quality which could be mono or even stereo as long as it sounds good. If they create a modern mix I do not care but they should at least give us the original audio mix as well. I am really looking forward to adding this new release to my last blu-ray edition! I agree this is to important for WB to screw up and while it is not impossible for that to happen I honestly do not see that happening! I see another pristine transfer like WB did with 2001! I have no doubt that 4K supporters will be rewarded by a awesome transfer by WB on this super classic!

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  196. Dave Moritz

    I actually like both covers and I have no doubt the one with Dorothy in a field of flowers was meant to be very vivid and to leap off the cover. What is more important is the quality of the video transfer and the audio quality which could be mono or even stereo as long as it sounds good. If they create a modern mix I do not care but they should at least give us the original audio mix as well. I am really looking forward to adding this new release to my last blu-ray edition! I agree this is to important for WB to screw up and while it is not impossible for that to happen I honestly do not see that happening! I see another pristine transfer like WB did with 2001! I have no doubt that 4K supporters will be rewarded by a awesome transfer by WB on this super classic!

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    You'll be happy with this 4K disc. I was able to watch the entire movie in 4K/Dolby Vision on iTunes when it was briefly available before being pulled and it looked and sound great.

  197. You'll be happy with this 4K disc. I was able to watch the entire movie in 4K/Dolby Vision on iTunes when it was briefly available before being pulled and it looked and sound great.

    Did they refund your money or give you a credit?

  198. Garysb

    My favorite.
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    That DVD set also has the best visual quality version of the 1925 silent feature, to date.

    As for the upcoming 4K disc, this may go on my Christmas wish list, despite not being at all equipped for 4K, along with IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE (1946)! What fantastic news that release announcement is! It's been a long time coming! 🙂

    CHEERS! 🙂

  199. A History of Oz's DVD's and Blu-rays

    1997 MGM's only DVD release ever.

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    1999 WB's first DVD, the 1998 Special Edition

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  200. I deleted the 03-25-97 DVD Release from my collection, but kept the following DVD and BD releases:

    10-19-99 Best Buy Exclusive "Deluxe Edition" DVD Release
    10-25-05 3-Disc DVD Release
    09-29-09 70th Anniversary 3-Disc Emerald Edition Blu-ray Release
    09-29-09 70th Anniversary Ultimate Collector's Edition Blu-ray Release
    10-01-13 75th Anniversary 3-D Blu-ray Release

  201. Matt Hough

    Where are the laserdisc versions? I have The Ultimate Oz box about ten steps from where I'm sitting right this minute.

    I only did most of the DVD's and Blu-ray's only. Anyone else who wants to do the Laserdics, VHS, and Betamax collections, feel free to do so.

  202. While the 2009 Blu-ray is wonderful, I'm curious to how HDR is going to affect a (mostly) 3-strip Tech feature.

    Back in 2004, I was lucky enough to catch a 35mm dye-transfer print screening. What stuck with me was how inky black the Wicked Witch's cloak looked. (Unfortunately, the print quality was the only good part of that screening – they cropped it to 1.85:1 and the sound was terrible.)

  203. Patrick McCart

    While the 2009 Blu-ray is wonderful, I'm curious to how HDR is going to affect a (mostly) 3-strip Tech feature.

    Back in 2004, I was lucky enough to catch a 35mm dye-transfer print screening. What stuck with me was how inky black the Wicked Witch's cloak looked. (Unfortunately, the print quality was the only good part of that screening – they cropped it to 1.85:1 and the sound was terrible.)

    I've seen clips of Oz in widescreen before and I didn't think they looked bad, I would and could watch in that format.

  204. Im curious how the black and white footage will look in 4k UHD. All this talk about the the release (see below) and it seems WB did not include any info about the B&W scenes, which were tinted but not actual "color' like 90% of the film. I feel the same way about Its a Wonderful Life – These are the first black and white films to hit the format and are highly anticipated 🙂

    • BRAND NEW 8K 16-BIT SCAN OF THE ORIGINAL TECHNICOLOR CAMERA NEGATIVE
  205. TheSteig

    Im curious how the black and white footage will look in 4k UHD. All this talk about the the release (see below) and it seems WB did not include any info about the B&W scenes, which were tinted but not actual "color' like 90% of the film. I feel the same way about Its a Wonderful Life – These are the first black and white films to hit the format and are highly anticipated 🙂

    • BRAND NEW 8K 16-BIT SCAN OF THE ORIGINAL TECHNICOLOR CAMERA NEGATIVE

    All of Kansas was shot in black and white and then dyed sepia to give it an old fashion look and feeling.

  206. TheSteig

    Im curious how the black and white footage will look in 4k UHD. All this talk about the the release (see below) and it seems WB did not include any info about the B&W scenes, which were tinted but not actual "color' like 90% of the film. I feel the same way about Its a Wonderful Life – These are the first black and white films to hit the format and are highly anticipated 🙂

    • BRAND NEW 8K 16-BIT SCAN OF THE ORIGINAL TECHNICOLOR CAMERA NEGATIVE

    As somebody that actually watched the movie in 4K/Dolby Vision, you should be very please as to how the black and white sequences look.

  207. AnthonyClarke

    Can't wait, Robert. I envy you for having had the chance to see it already.
    Meanwhile, here in Australia, I can't find even one retailer offering this. I would have thought this would be an international release!

    Yeah, I kind of figured somebody screwed up at iTunes for having it available long before its release date so when I bought the digital from them that early morning I just sat down and watched the entire movie before the sun came up as I suspected it wouldn't be there very long which it wasn't.

  208. AnthonyClarke

    Can't wait, Robert. I envy you for having had the chance to see it already.
    Meanwhile, here in Australia, I can't find even one retailer offering this. I would have thought this would be an international release!

    Perhaps they confused it with this …
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    and chose not to order it … just sayin' 😉

  209. darkrock17

    80 Years ago today, we traveled along with Dorothy down the yellow brick road into movie history

    Just because something is written on imdb doesn't make it true. There are a lot of facts that have to be ignored in order to buy into an August 25th release date.

    Again, the film officially premiered in Hollywood on August 15th and began regular engagements in LA and Philadelphia the next day. It opened in New York (seen by approximately 250,000 people in it's first week) on August 17th and also opened in at least Pittsburgh, Boston, and Minneapolis/St. Paul BEFORE the 25th. August 25th is 'A' release date, not 'THE' release date.

  210. Will Krupp

    Just because something is written on imdb doesn't make it true. There are a lot of facts that have to be ignored in order to buy into an August 25th release date.

    Again, the film officially premiered in Hollywood on August 15th and began regular engagements in LA and Philadelphia the next day. It opened in New York (seen by approximately 250,000 people in it's first week) on August 17th and also opened in at least Pittsburgh, Boston, and Minneapolis/St. Paul BEFORE the 25th. August 25th is 'A' release date, not 'THE' release date.

    August 25 is the wide release of the film, most films go by the wide release date and not the Hollywood premiere.

  211. darkrock17

    most films go by the wide release date

    According to whom?

    We're not JUST taking about the premiere, the movie opened in at least six major cities before the 25th and was seen, we have to assume, by at least 300,000 patrons.

    When is the release date for Oklahoma? 1955 or 1956? It's regarded by all accounts as a 1955 film yet only played in four theaters by the end of that year. It didn't go into "wide release" until the fall of 1956. Do you regard THAT as the release date, too?

    Gone with the Wind? 1939? 1940? 1941?

    When you say WE traveled down the yellow brick road on this day in history you're completely discounting the wide swath of moviegoers who already had the pleasure of seeing it.

  212. Yes, and it’s worth keeping in mind that that style of release (opening in select cities first rather than nationwide all at once) was the norm for that period in film history. If we counted release date only by when a film was finally available nationwide, we’d have to date a lot of classic films as being a year or two younger than they actually are, which of course makes no sense.

  213. Josh Steinberg

    Yes, and it’s worth keeping in mind that that style of release (opening in select cities first rather than nationwide all at once) was the norm for that period in film history. If we counted release date only by when a film was finally available nationwide, we’d have to date a lot of classic films as being a year or two younger than they actually are, which of course makes no sense.

    THAT'S ALLS I'M SAYIN'!!!

  214. Will Krupp

    According to whom?

    We're not JUST taking about the premiere, the movie opened in at least six major cities before the 25th and was seen, we have to assume, by at least 300,000 patrons.

    When is the release date for Oklahoma? 1955 or 1956? It's regarded by all accounts as a 1955 film yet only played in four theaters by the end of that year. It didn't go into "wide release" until the fall of 1956. Do you regard THAT as the release date, too?

    When you say WE traveled down the yellow brick road on this day in history you're completely discounting the wide swath of moviegoers who already had the pleasure of seeing it.

    According to history is whom. August 25th is the date that all sources of information report the film as debuting.

    I've never seen Oklahoma, I only know of two songs and that's it. However I will go wit the majority and say it's debut is 1955.

    The we I mean is collectively, meaning all.

  215. darkrock17

    According to history is whom. August 25th is the date that all sources of information report the film as debuting.

    No, no one is reporting that date as the "debut" (check your definition of the word) they report it as a wide release date. There's a big difference. My point is that the particular date is meaningless in regards to how you're using it as the movie was already being seen in six of the largest markets in the country prior to it.

    With that I'm done.

  216. darkrock17

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    Listen, I don't know what to tell you, buddy. You seem determined to dig your heels in. I don't care what you "got" google to tell you about the "debut." It's just an algorithm and, in this case, It's giving you wrong information.

    The definition of the verb "debut" is "to perform in public for the first time." We already know that WIZARD OF OZ "debuted" much earlier than that. Can you at least concede that it was seen in public prior to August 25th? I hope? If so, your google answer is already wrong.

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  217. Wow. Just sad. It actually "debuted" in public much earlier at the preview where they then made cuts because it was deemed too scary. Anybody know the date of the preview?

    Of course there will be some technical reason that — "to perform in public for the first time." — doesn't apply to the preview — right?

  218. Camper

    Anybody know the date of the preview?

    According to the John Fricke book that was released as a companion to the film's 50th anniversary, the full list of previews and towns is lost. There was definitely a preview (one of the earliest if not actually the first) on June 16th at the Pomona Fox Theater where it ran 112 minutes. There was also a preview on June 27th and one (date unknown) in San Louis Obispo. It was turned over for final negative cutting on July 6th and ran 101 minutes. The scenes must have been removed sometime over those three weeks.

  219. Well all I can say is that I'd give a lot to see that 112 minute cut — a whole lot.

    And would the "beehive" scene been a part of that? I have heard it was not finished (adding in the animated bees) — would they have enough time to complete that in time for wide release? Or was that cut earlier?

  220. Camper

    And would the "beehive" scene been a part of that? I have heard it was not finished (adding in the animated bees) — would they have enough time to complete that in time for wide release? Or was that cut earlier?

    It was supposedly in the Pomona cut (without the final animation.) Audiences were very willing to give "previews" a wide berth in terms of finishes since they knew they were incomplete rough cuts (often the music wasn't even finalized yet)

    I just see now that the first preview was held in either Santa Barbara or San Bernadino and after that first preview (and prior to Pomona) "The Jitterbug" and the Ray Bolger solo extension to "If I Only Had a Brain" were cut.

    Interestingly, the excision of the "Beehive" scene resulted in a continuity error with Dorothy and her companions lined up in the wrong order. Because it was very noticeable, they flipped the film for that shot so their order matched up with the scene right before the cut. To do this, they had to print the flipped shot through the base rather than the emulsion, which is why that one shot has always looked softer than any other in the movie.

  221. I realize why they cut so-called "scary" parts because the movie was aimed at kids.
    But were the other scenes cut simply for time or because the audiences didn't like them?
    If it was because the audience is didn't care for certain material then it's a case of the people have spoken but if they just got cold feet about the length of the movie then that would be kind of a shame since all the footage or most of it was eventually lost.

  222. Will Krupp

    It was supposedly in the Pomona cut (without the final animation.) Audiences were very willing to give "previews" a wide berth in terms of finishes since they knew they were incomplete rough cuts (often the music wasn't even finalized yet)

    I just see now that the first preview was held in either Santa Barbara or San Bernadino and after that first preview (and prior to Pomona) "The Jitterbug" and the Ray Bolger solo extension to "If I Only Had a Brain" were cut.

    Interestingly, the excision of the "Beehive" scene resulted in a continuity error with Dorothy and her companions lined up in the wrong order. Because it was very noticeable, they flipped the film for that shot so their order matched up with the scene right before the cut. To do this, they had to print the flipped shot through the base rather than the emulsion, which is why that one shot has always looked softer than any other in the movie.

    I've never noticed that, here's the scene; point it out to me.

  223. The Flopped scene I believe occurred right before that clip. You can tell because the Tin Man's hat is tilted in an in the opposite direction than it usually is and the rivets on his chest are on the opposite side of the seam that runs down the middle. That's a pretty famous continuity error that I first read about in the 80s perhaps. I think it's right after he snaps and his fingers and says "beehive bah…"

  224. darkrock17

    I've never noticed that, here's the scene; point it out to me

    Camper is right, it's immediately before this clip. When the Tin Man puts out the witch's fireball with his hat, he's on the left side of the screen and the scarecrow is on the right. There's a cut to the witch disappearing into a puff of smoke and then a brief close up of Dorothy. The next shot (starting with "I'm not afraid of her!") is the flipped one, with the scarecrow now on the left of the screen and the Tin Man on the right. You can see it's noticeably less sharp due to the red and green negatives being exposed on the matrices through the base. (Ironically enough, for once, the blue negative was exposed through the emulsion since that one was flipped in camera and always exposed through the base.) Right AFTER that shot was originally the beehive scene and they moved around so that they were no longer standing in the right order. It left a noticeable error when the scene was cut so it was flipped to minimize the gap.

  225. AnthonyClarke

    […]Meanwhile, here in Australia, I can't find even one retailer offering this. I would have thought this would be an international release!


    "All in good time, my little pretty. All in good time." 🙂

  226. Robert Crawford

    Just the constant arguments and the need to be right and/or have the last word on some subject matter like the release date for "The Wizard of Oz".

    It's more that some have been examining Oz like the Zapruder film over the last month 😉

  227. Cranston37

    It's more that some have been examining Oz like the Zapruder film over the last month 😉

    Just a small part and trait of what makes HTF the lovable family that we are.:)

  228. moviebuff75

    After the cut line, the post-1998 versions contain a weird voice in the background. It sounds like "Hold him." It is eerie.

    It just sounds muffled to my ears. A bit of off camera vocal direction (!), perhaps?

  229. And Stanley and Livingstone was regrettably pulled in order to show The Wizard of Oz.
    Trivia connection: I saw a nitrate print of S&L in sepia tone at MoMA; WoO also begins and ends in sepia tone.
    Sepia tone was big in those days. Too bad that many of those films are now presented in simple B&W.

  230. That link is the same one that doesn't mention the sound format for the new UHD disc. Some folks are seeing the mono as listed as a "bonus" feature for the included Blu-ray and assuming the UHD disc does NOT contain the mono track. Also unmentioned is if the UHD disc will feature the DTS MA 5.1 of the last Blu-ray or a new possibly Atmos track. Really lame that they didn't mention it.

  231. AnthonyClarke

    A great historic document. Well done on tracking it down. So now we know that at least critics were allowed into those early screenings.

    Critics were usually always allowed to see films early until 1960 when Hitchcock wouldn't allow it for Psycho and afterwards a lot of other directors and studios followed suit.

  232. Malcolm R

    It's a shame the Jitterbug sequence is lost. I still recall when my high school staged a production of Oz and they included the Jitterbug number. That was a huge hit with the audience.

    I didn't hear about the Jitterbug until I heard about The Wizard Of Oz on Ice back in 1996 when my grandmother went to see it for me as I had moved to Hawaii with my mother and step-father when it came to then MCI Center in Washington D.C. It was talked about on making of VHS she bough along with other souvenirs. It wasn't until the 1998 Special Edition that I learned more about this deleted sequence from the Angela Lansbury hosted documentary that was included on both the VHS and DVD.

    It looked like it would of been a fun number, but I can see why MGM cut it as when lyricists E.Y. Harburg originally wrote the lyrics in 1938 the word Jitterbug meant nothing, but by the time Oz was released in 1939, the Jitterbug was a big dance craze and MGM didn't want the film to be dated cause of it. From the home video footage, it looked like everyone had fun dancing around, too bad none of that footage includes the Jitterbug itself though.

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  233. Are you trying to say that the Jitterbug dance that they're doing in The Wizard Of Oz deleted scene is not the Jitterbug dance or similar to it than the one that became popular around the same time?

  234. The Jitterbug had been a dance since at least 1935 starting with a short film by Cab Calloway. It was completely well-known by 1938 and 1939. He also wrote a song called the Jitterbug in 1934. They were fully aware of the Jitterbug dance when they added it to the script they just threw in the twist that the witches bug would cause them to do a jitterbug dance.

  235. Camper

    The Jitterbug had been a dance since at least 1935 starting with a short film by Cab Calloway. It was completely well-known by 1938 and 1939. He also wrote a song called the Jitterbug in 1934. They were fully aware of the Jitterbug dance when they added it to the script they just threw in the twist that the witches bug would cause them to do a jitterbug dance.

    From that footage that didn't look like The Jitterbug to me, they weren't doing what Lucy did in the classic episode.

  236. From what I've read the Jitterbug was not a specific one type of dance move it was just a style of frenetic dancing. And I have seen some Jitterbug Dancing In old black and white movies from the 30s where some of the moves were definitely similar to The Wizard of Oz sequence.

  237. Here's a video of some Jitterbug Dancing that's from a later date than the Wizard of Oz.
    But a lot of the moves seem the same from when I watched the entire Jitterbug deleted scene. So either this dance was based on a deleted scene from The Wizard of Oz or The Wizard of Oz was based on an earlier dance
    At any rate I don't currently own the disc that has the Jitterbug dance from The Wizard of Oz to watch and compare. But I will on October 29th!

  238. Camper

    Here's a video of some Jitterbug Dancing that's from a later than the Wizard of Oz.
    But a lot of the moves seem the same from when I watch the entire Jitterbug deleted scene. So either this dance was based on a deleted scene from The Wizard of Oz or The Wizard of Oz was based on an earlier dance
    At any rate I don't currently own the disc that has the Jitterbug dance from The Wizard of Oz to watch and compare. But I will on October 29th!

    Here you go

  239. The dancing and clapping trees seem completely out of place given the apple tree behavior prior to the jitterbug sequence. Plus, here they are, in the Haunted Forest, and these menacing trees are going to suddenly start dancing?

    Cutting the jitterbug scene was the right call. I'm sad that the original footage was destroyed but, even it had survived, its best place would be as supplemental bonus material, NOT in the actual film.

    Mark

  240. Mark Booth

    The dancing and clapping trees seem completely out of place given the apple tree behavior prior to the jitterbug sequence. Plus, here they are, in the Haunted Forest, and these menacing trees are going to suddenly start dancing?

    Cutting the jitterbug scene was the right call. I'm sad that the original footage was destroyed but, even it had survived, its best place would be as supplemental bonus material, NOT in the actual film.

    Mark

    I agree with you Mark.

  241. Mark Booth

    The dancing and clapping trees seem completely out of place given the apple tree behavior prior to the jitterbug sequence. Plus, here they are, in the Haunted Forest, and these menacing trees are going to suddenly start dancing?

    Cutting the jitterbug scene was the right call. I'm sad that the original footage was destroyed but, even it had survived, its best place would be as supplemental bonus material, NOT in the actual film.

    Mark

    Completely agree with this statement. Wouldn’t it have been great if for this 4K presentation they actually went back and rescanned the home movies? I’m not saying 4K would be the way to go but these (and most of the supplements) haven’t seen an upgrade in years. It’s been 30 years that we’ve been seeing the same Jitterbug recreation.

  242. Mark Booth

    The dancing and clapping trees seem completely out of place given the apple tree behavior prior to the jitterbug sequence. Plus, here they are, in the Haunted Forest, and these menacing trees are going to suddenly start dancing?

    Cutting the jitterbug scene was the right call. I'm sad that the original footage was destroyed but, even it had survived, its best place would be as supplemental bonus material, NOT in the actual film.

    Mark

    Yeah, the inconsistent attitude and behavior of the trees ruins the reality of the piece. 😀

  243. Mark Booth

    The dancing and clapping trees seem completely out of place given the apple tree behavior prior to the jitterbug sequence. Plus, here they are, in the Haunted Forest, and these menacing trees are going to suddenly start dancing?

    Cutting the jitterbug scene was the right call. I'm sad that the original footage was destroyed but, even it had survived, its best place would be as supplemental bonus material, NOT in the actual film.

    Mark

    The Apple trees I think we're brought to life by the Wicked Witch as she is seen hiding behind an apple tree right as Dorothy and Scarecrow see said trees. This picture of Wicked Witch which I've never seen until now backs up that theory.

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  244. What should not have been cut was the Triumphal Procession after the Witch is melted. It was a one minute spectacular through the streets of Oz, with hundreds of Emerald City's finest, decked out to the nines. The parade through the streets with a reprise of DING DONG, THE WITCH IS DEAD would have given the musical a much needed number, as the last third of the film is now without one. It looked to be Art Deco amazing! What a waste of all those intricate costumes by Adrian.

  245. moviebuff75

    What should not have been cut was the Triumphal Procession after the Witch is melted. It was a one minute spectacular through the streets of Oz, with hundreds of Emerald City's finest, decked out to the nines. The parade through the streets with a reprise of DING DONG, THE WITCH IS DEAD would have given the musical a much needed number, as the last third of the film is now without one. It looked to be Art Deco amazing! What a waste of all those intricate costumes by Adrian.

    It would of been a nice sequence, but it makes senses it was cut as it's just the foursome being welcomed back; they most likely didn't have any dialogue and it was just them smiling and prancing around. The dissolve from Dorothy getting the broomstick from the Winkie guard to already being back in Wizard's throne room just moved the story along easier without needing a parade.

    Emerald City's design was all Art Deco, as that was the style of the 1930's and 1940's. Adrian's costumes weren't wasted as we got to see a lot of them in Merry Old Land Of Oz number. The return parade would of just been a quick reprise to see all Emerald City citizens again before we saw them when The Wizard get's ready to depart in his balloon.

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  246. Camper

    Hate to bring up something as crass as money but Walmart is offering a pre-order for this title at $19.96. I'd buy it at $30 but I can still use the ten or something else!

    https://www.walmart.com/ip/The-Wiza…ScqLOY6Z6ojYwpOlSX59H_PLBVZhhCARoCWccQAvD_BwE

    Thanks for this. I went ahead and asked for a refund on my recent iTunes purchase, since it's no longer in 4K/DV like when I purchased it, and placed an order here. Twenty dollars is my upper limit for UHD disc purchases, so I decided to splurge.

  247. moviebuff75

    No mono track on the UHD. Same stereo track with Garland's line missing. Looks like my favorite movie will never be truly complete from now on. It is a shame.

    Where are you getting that information? The press release hasn’t yet established soundtrack specs on the 4K disc.

  248. The UHD disc contains neither a mono track nor Atmos. No new toy for people who want to hear it with a brand new fancy soundtrack and no original track those who want to hear it as it was originally presented. The same old dtsma 5.1 soundtrack as the old Blu-ray.
    In other words they didn't care about people who wanted the original soundtrack and they thought the fancy UHD label slapped on the package would be enough for the people who want the latest most advanced thing.

  249. 4K BLU-RAY TECHNICAL SPECS:

    • BRAND NEW 8K 16-BIT SCAN OF THE ORIGINAL TECHNICOLOR CAMERA NEGATIVE
    • DOLBY VISION HDR PRESENTATION OF THE FILM
    • Optional English SDH, Latin Spanish, Parisian French, Brazilian Portuguese, Complex Chinese, Castilian Spanish, Danish, Dutch, Finnish, German SDH, Italian SDH, Japanese, Norwegian, and Swedish subtitles for the main feature

    4K BLU-RAY SPECIAL FEATURES:

    • Commentary by John Fricke with Barbara Freed-Saltzman, Margaret Hamilton, Ray Bolger, Jack Haley, John Lahr, Jane Lahr, Hamilton Meserve, Dona Massin, William Tuttle, Buddy Ebsen, Mervyn LeRoy and Jerry Maren.
    • 1990 CBS Special "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz: The Making of a Movie Classic."

    BLU-RAY SPECIAL FEATURES:

    • Commentary- Commentary by John Fricke with Barbara Freed-Saltzman, Margaret Hamilton, Ray Bolger, Jack Haley, John Lahr, Jane Lahr, Hamilton Meserve, Dona Massin, William Tuttle, Buddy Ebsen, Mervyn LeRoy and Jerry Maren
    • The Making of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz
    • The Wonderful Wizard of Oz Storybook (narrated by Angela Lansbury)
    • We Haven't Really Met Properly…
      • We Haven't Really Met Properly: "Frank Morgan"
      • We Haven't Really Met Properly: "Ray Bolger"
      • We Haven't Really Met Properly: "Bert Lahr"
      • We Haven't Really Met Properly: "Jack Haley"
      • We Haven't Really Met Properly: "Billie Burke"
      • We Haven't Really Met Properly: "Margaret Hamilton"
      • We Haven't Really Met Properly: "Charley Grapewin"
      • We Haven't Really Met Properly: "Clara Blandick"
      • We Haven't Really Met Properly: "Terry"
    • Music & Effects Track
    • Original Mono Track
    • Sing Along Tracks
    • Audio Jukebox
    • Leo is on the Air Radio Promo
    • Good News of 1939 Radio Show
    • 12/25/1950 Lux Radio Broadcast
    • Stills Galleries
      • Oz on Broadway
      • Pre-MGM
      • Sketches and Storyboards
      • Richard Thorpe's Oz
      • Buddy Ebsen
      • Oz Comes to Life
      • Behind the Scenes
      • Portraits
      • Special Effects
      • Post Production
      • Deleted Scenes
      • Original Publicity
      • 8/15/1939 Hollywood Premiere
      • 8/17/1939 New York Premiere
      • 2/29/1940 Academy Awards® Ceremony
      • Oz Abroad
      • Oz Revivals
      • Trailers
  250. Camper

    The reason they are not showing the mono on the Blu-ray disc art is because it is listed as a bonus feature in a lossy format in the press release.

    Huh? We’re talking about mono being included on the UHD. And not being listed on the image above for the Blu Ray audio specs. Or am I missing your meaning?

  251. I was stating that mono is not mentioned at all on the disc art because in the press release it's only shown as a bonus feature on the Blu-ray disc. It's not being shown even as a bonus feature on the UHD disc there's no chance in my opinion that the UHD will contain the mono soundtrack or they would have mentioned it just as they mentioned the mono soundtrack was a bonus feature on the Blu-ray. If somehow magically the mono appears on the UHD disc that's great but I seriously doubt it's going to — hope I'm wrong.
    My larger point was that UHD format is supposed to appeal to both purists and traditionalist who want original soundtracks and conversely to people who like all the new bells and whistles like Atmos. And if they turn out not to have either Atmos or mono then at least in the soundtrack Department they are delivering for neither one of those two groups.
    Instead of trying to appeal to all groups it appears sometimes they only want to cater to one or neither when they come up with things like soundtracks and Alternate cuts. Instead of the Watchmen having all three cuts of the movie they only have one. which is great if you like the ultimate cut but if you like the director's cut or theatrical you don't get your preferred version. The only reason they do this is out of cheapness and laziness and it looks like this trend is going to be continuing. And as a fan of physical media the best way to keep the format alive is to give as many options on the discs we get rather than the least.
    There are already a handful of titles did I have refrained from buying on UHD because they didn't contain my preferred cut of the movie. But a lot of times I see people who by chance by the luck of the draw their preferred version of a movie is the one that get released on UHD they do a happy dance and basically have an in-your-face attitude to the people who like the other/alternate versions. I wanted to hear a new Atmos soundtrack but I also very much wanted to see a mono soundtrack because I want all the fans of the format and the movie to be happy with the new release.
    In this case the UHD contains what I suppose Warner believes is the most popular soundtrack they could offer which is DTS Master audio 5.1 so I'm really happy for all the people who have that as their preferred soundtrack.

  252. moviebuff75

    Because it is part of the same special features as the past several years, right down to the order. I doubt they are going to fix what they call a special feature.

    Especially when they’ve never even acknowledged the problem to begin with.

  253. I still placed a preorder. Amazon's price is $5 cheaper than anyone else. If it doesn't ship by release date, it's a simple matter to cancel the order and get it somewhere else. On the off chance Amazon will ship it in a timely fashion, I'm covered.

    It's not like Amazon charges us for the item when we place a preorder. It costs me NOTHING to try.

    Mark

  254. Mark Booth

    I still placed a preorder. Amazon's price is $5 cheaper than anyone else. If it doesn't ship by release date, it's a simple matter to cancel the order and get it somewhere else. On the off chance Amazon will ship it in a timely fashion, I'm covered.

    It's not like Amazon charges us for the item when we place a preorder. It costs me NOTHING to try.

    Mark

    For most titles, I'm so behind on my unwatched disc pile, I can afford to wait.

  255. FWIW, turns out that Walmart has it for $19.96 too (which is why Amazon lowered it's price, I'm sure). I use an Amazon Visa so I get an additional 5% kickback via Amazon. But if Amazon doesn't ship, I bet I could pick it up inside a Walmart store on release date.

    Mark

  256. Mark Booth

    FWIW, turns out that Walmart has it for $19.96 too (which is why Amazon lowered it's price, I'm sure). I use an Amazon Visa so I get an additional 5% kickback via Amazon. But if Amazon doesn't ship, I bet I could pick it up inside a Walmart store on release date.

    Mark

    Same reason why I am buying from Amazon as well.

  257. Mark Booth

    FWIW, turns out that Walmart has it for $19.96 too (which is why Amazon lowered it's price, I'm sure). I use an Amazon Visa so I get an additional 5% kickback via Amazon. But if Amazon doesn't ship, I bet I could pick it up inside a Walmart store on release date.

    Mark

    Or Best Buy who matches both.

  258. I'm not pre-ordering this BD at all. I bought the HD digital from iTunes in August and it actually upgraded to 4K/Dolby Vision before they pulled it. I even watched the entire movie that morning so I'm in no hurry to see it again or have the disc in-hand come October 31st. However, I do expect iTunes to upgrade my HD digital back to 4K/Dolby Vision again on or near October 31st. With that said, if the 4K disc gets discounted heavily during the Black Friday sales then I might change my mind about owning the actual disc, but I doubt it. I simply have bought this film title far too many times on various home video formats over the years.

  259. Mark Booth

    FWIW, turns out that Walmart has it for $19.96 too (which is why Amazon lowered it's price, I'm sure). I use an Amazon Visa so I get an additional 5% kickback via Amazon. But if Amazon doesn't ship, I bet I could pick it up inside a Walmart store on release date.

    Mark

    I just changed my order from Walmart to Amazon. I have a lot of points built up from my Amazon Prime Visa, so this one will not cost me anything out of pocket.

  260. It is stays at 19.96, think I'll get it from Walmart or Best Buy. At least then when if it drops to 12-15 by New Years, I can get a refund on the price paid for 45-90 days. If I go with BBY the the Rz points are now worth around 6% for me for at least the next year+

    THE UK digital code work in US? Unlikely it will work directly. Many of the proxy/workaround don't work anymore with Flixster and UV gone. Warner has been pretty good about exchanging international codes for US items if you contact them and ask.

  261. Osato

    Would the UHd have a U.K. code and packaging? The disc will be region free but not the code correct??

    Thanks!!

    Digital codes are so much region locked as region or geographic/IP specific. UK codes will only redeem on UK Digital sites and through some VPN proxy which you could manipulate to get it to add to the US digital. With UV and Flixster now gone, it has been very difficult to find a way to get those codes to redeem from the US and then transfer into a US account.

    It may not be impossible, but it far more difficult than it was. It's far easier to get Warner to give you a US code.

  262. I don’t even really understand why there’s an expectation for Atmos soundtracks. For every pre-Atmos era film released, in order to create an Atmos track, doesn’t that require that the sound be remixed from scratch? That’s a huge undertaking for each and every release. Or is there some kind of smart algorithm that can convert 5.1 to Atmos?

  263. All of this Oz talk has inspired me to pull out my 3D copy of the film, which I haven’t seen since it came out. Saw it once in IMAX and once at home on my then-new 50” plasma, but not since. Now I have a projector and wow does this look great. Each time I’ve seen it I’ve marveled not just at the 3D conversion (which is outstanding) but the underlying 2D restoration which is also great.

    Wonderful to have so many good options for enjoying this fine film.

  264. Coming to Dolby Cinema on the week of October 25th. I am about to go visit my sister so I was looking up the movie schedule for her city. It turns out that The Wizard of Oz is playing in her local dolby cinema every morning that I will be there. This will be my first experience in a dolby cinema and I am glad that it will be for a film that I am as familiar with as this one.

    https://www.amctheatres.com/movies/the-wizard-of-oz-80th-anniversary-in-dolby-cinema-61932

  265. My Amazon order has been updated to show delivery on Oct 31, two days after release. If a local retailer has it for the same price (or less, of course), I'll buy it on release date and cancel the Amazon order.

    I'm planning to show 'Wizard of Oz' in the Booth Bijou Garage Theater as our B-movie to the main feature, 'The Art of Racing in the Rain' in early November.

    Mark

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