The Wizard of Oz 4K UHD 80th Anniversary

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Release date is July 16 for now. Posted on Bluray.com ….. I hope WB also releases 4K UHD versions of… Gone With The Wind,Ben-Hur, and The Wild Bunch. All Anniversaries this 2019 year !

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  1. titch

    Ah – the years just fly by, don't they? One of the first laserdiscs I bought was Criterion's 50th anniversary Wizard Of Oz. It doesn't feel that long ago!

    That's because it wasn't.;)
    Very exciting news, especially since its been my understanding that not all films are capable candidates for the 4K/UHD format.
    With that in mind – along with 1957 and Kwai being the oldest 4K offering – I never thought we'd get anywhere near 1939.
    But believe me big time, I'm all in.:thumbs-up-smiley:

  2. titch

    Ah – the years just fly by, don't they? One of the first laserdiscs I bought was Criterion's 50th anniversary Wizard Of Oz. It doesn't feel that long ago!

    Criterion? The 50th was by MGM/UA.

  3. Rob W

    This film has had more anniversaries than a family of polygamists.

    50th – 1989 THE BIG ONE
    55th – 1994 Nothing
    60th – 1999 Nothing in the US, did have a limited run in the UK though.
    65th – 2004 Nothing
    70th – 2009 First time on Blu
    75th – 2014 IMAX 3D release
    80th – 2019 UHD

  4. I wrote when I bought, watched and LOVED the 3D edition of The Wizard of Oz that it would be the last time I would be buying it, and I meant it! I just can't bring myself to buy it yet another time, even if the HDR makes it fly off the screen! I cannot tell you how many editions of this masterpiece I've purchased, but no more!

  5. Matt Hough

    I wrote when I bought, watched and LOVED the 3D edition of The Wizard of Oz that it would be the last time I would be buying it, and I meant it! I just can't bring myself to buy it yet another time, even if the HDR makes it fly off the screen! I cannot tell you how many editions of this masterpiece I've purchased, but no more!

    I could very easily post every edition of this film I have on VHS, DVD and Blu, heck I could post my entire Oz collection, but I won't (unless maybe you asked me).

  6. dpippel

    Aw, come on Matt! After all of those purchases, what's *one* more gonna hurt???

    Yeah, I know. When I bought The Ultimate Oz laserdisc set, I figured THAT would be the last one I'd ever buy, but Warners keeps finding new ways to separate me from my money.

  7. Matt Hough

    I wrote when I bought, watched and LOVED the 3D edition of The Wizard of Oz that it would be the last time I would be buying it, and I meant it! I just can't bring myself to buy it yet another time, even if the HDR makes it fly off the screen! I cannot tell you how many editions of this masterpiece I've purchased, but no more!

    I'm in the same boat – I'm really satisfied with how cool that 3D version is and I think I'm all set with that as my go-to.

  8. Matt Hough

    Yeah, I know. When I bought The Ultimate Oz laserdisc set, I figured THAT would be the last one I'd ever buy, but Warners keeps finding new ways to separate me from my money.

    Separating us from our money, yes; but always, always bringing us closer to Oz.;)

  9. Ross Gowland

    A 3D Wizard of Oz is like a colourised Casablanca. No matter how well it’s done, it’s a gimmick too far.

    It's only a gimmick too far if the 2-D format was never made available to view again. Nobody is forcing you to watch it in 3-D.

  10. Ross Gowland

    A 3D Wizard of Oz is like a colourised Casablanca. No matter how well it’s done, it’s a gimmick too far.

    It is by far no colorized CASABLANCA. It just adds more dimension to Emerald City. Although I do have the 3D version, a 4K would be nice to add to it as well as my 70th Anniversary box set, which I treasure and still have.

  11. The SHOCKWAVES Podcast Epsiode # 138 March 29th available on iTunes

    Featured Michael L Fink who was visual effects supervisor for many great films

    He was also in charge of the Wizard of Oz 3D conversion and he discussed it! And it is a great episode! Great trivia of Blade Runner and much more. The OZ 3D info was awesome and he even hated some 3D theatrical presentations! Hear the interview to find out more.

  12. Garysb

    Why not just do a 4K version of this release. This time there would be no coasters.

    [​IMG]

    Because ONLY Oz and Scarlett are cash cows for WB, while rest will now come from Warner Archive.

  13. Craig_Ehr

    It will be very interesting to see what additional detail (if any) can be gleaned from a 1939 Technicolor film in UHD 4K. At least the colors in HDR should be very nice.

    I expect someone to post a YouTube video or screen caps before its release, showing how the picture is teal-looking.

  14. darkrock17


    50th – 1989 THE BIG ONE
    55th – 1994 Nothing
    60th – 1999 Nothing in the US, did have a limited run in the UK though.
    65th – 2004 Nothing
    70th – 2009 First time on
    Blu
    75th – 2014 IMAX 3D release
    80th – 2019 UHD

    The closest thing to a 55th anniversary edition was the Ultimate Oz CAV laserdisc box set. That actually was from MGM/UA and is still something I own. Many of the extras that carried over to future disc releases originated here.

  15. MatthewA

    The closest thing to a 55th anniversary edition was the Ultimate Oz CAV laserdisc box set. That actually was from MGM/UA and is still something I own. Many of the extras that carried over to future disc releases originated here.

    The Ultimate Oz came out in 1993 and I wanted it, but like the 50th it was very expensive. Until the 1998 Special Edition, my only VHS copy was the one that my grandmother ordered from Avon along with Journey Back To Oz (1972/1974). My first DVD just happen to be the 1998 SE. From then on I got every new edition right up to the 70th Anniversary which was one of my very first Blu-rays.

  16. Not quite on topic (count me in for the UHD release!), I just wanted to say that I really liked the distinctive artwork that Criterion had for its laserdisc releases. The one for Oz as posted earlier is particular favorite alongside likes of Blade Runner and The Third Man!
    View attachment 58245

    Can’t explain but thanks for posting it folks. Back to the topic on hand:)

    Regards

  17. SAhmed

    Not quite on topic (count me in for the UHD release!), I just wanted to say that I really liked the distinctive artwork that Criterion had for its laserdisc releases. The one for Oz as posted earlier is particular favorite alongside likes of Blade Runner and The Third Man!
    View attachment 58245

    Can’t explain but thanks for posting it folks. Back to the topic on hand:)

    Regards

    Have to say I have a fond spot for Criterion's art design, although I thought many of their laserdisc jackets weren't all that super. The Wizard Of Oz laserdisc jacket I've always liked though. The master used 30 years ago on their Wizard Of Oz laserdisc was terrible, compared to the high standards we now expect. The 8K master used for the previous 2013 blu-ray release is so pristine, it reveals all the wires and make-up! I expect we'll get an 8K release for the 100th anniversary. By which time I'll have lost both my sight and hearing and will probably be completely gaga!

  18. And the audio will probably still be botched: part of one of Judy's lines deleted, sound effects drowning out dialogue in the opening scene, and several scenes out of sync. Ned Price of WB promised that the changes would only be for the 1998 theatrical release, but we've been stuck with them ever since. Judy's line is in the script and was in the film from the premiere-1998. It was read with tremendous grief…now, she is simply whimpering.

  19. The 3D conversion of Wizard is masterful. I’ll never watch it flat again. You honestly feel as if you are on the soundstage. It made me addicted to the movie again. I had grown tired of it having seen it
    at least once a year since it premiered on TV since 1956.

  20. TJPC

    The 3D conversion of Wizard is masterful. I’ll never watch it flat again. You honestly feel as if you are on the soundstage. It made me addicted to the movie again. I had grown tired of it having seen it
    at least once a year since it premiered on TV since 1956.

    My parents in fact saw it in 1939 (they were 7) and had also become a bit weary of the film over the years, but they were enchanted by the 3D version and said they felt like they saw it again for the first time.

  21. Matt Hough

    Yes, since I got the 3D version, I have watched the movie three or four times and always now in 3D. The only reason I put to 2D into the player is to access some bonus material.

    WHAT! 3D movies don't come with 3D special features truly shocking that is

  22. Robert Crawford

    It's only a gimmick too far if the 2-D format was never made available to view again. Nobody is forcing you to watch it in 3-D.

    Sorry to differ here, Robert, but I am a film purist. Perhaps not a gimmick, but Warner's original mandate, as outlined in 1997 by Ned Price, was to never "augment" – in other words, 'add' anything to classic movies. It was purely a 'preservation'/'restoration' mantra the studio adopted, and indeed, one of the finest, most progressive and most aggressive programs adopted by a major studio to maintain their archival elements.

    I just felt that Warner betrayed this mantra completely when they converted Oz to 3D. Yes, no one forced me to buy it, and no, I did not buy it. I did, however, see it on a friend's projected set up. It was a lot of fun and the 3D was exceptionally good. But this still is not Oz as nature, Mervyn LeRoy, Victor Fleming or Louis B. Mayer intended!

    You wouldn't take the Mona Lisa, and repaint her smile, add some earrings, and a tattoo just to make her more 'fashionable' in the moment for the new fads that come along. Somehow, movie art never gets this same consideration. It's open season to 'change' it up instead of letting the audience find the movie 'as is', as it were.

    But I will be getting the new UHD of Oz when it comes out. Better picture, better sound and hopefully a few minor corrections of omitted dialogue, as discussed on other forums herein. And while one can argue audiences in 1939 never saw Oz in what will ultimately be such remarkable image clarity when it debuts in 4K, due to antiquated methods of printing and projection circa the period, what audiences today will be seeing is precisely what has been available on the original camera negative for all these years. That's a good thing. I cannot wait!

  23. Nick*Z

    Sorry to differ here, Robert, but I am a film purist. Perhaps not a gimmick, but Warner's original mandate, as outlined in 1997 by Ned Price, was to never "augment" – in other words, 'add' anything to classic movies. It was purely a 'preservation'/'restoration' mantra the studio adopted, and indeed, one of the finest, most progressive and most aggressive programs adopted by a major studio to maintain their archival elements.

    I just felt that Warner betrayed this mantra completely when they converted Oz to 3D. Yes, no one forced me to buy it, and no, I did not buy it. I did, however, see it on a friend's projected set up. It was a lot of fun and the 3D was exceptionally good. But this still is not Oz as nature, Mervyn LeRoy, Victor Fleming or Louis B. Mayer intended!

    You wouldn't take the Mona Lisa, and repaint her smile, add some earrings, and a tattoo just to make her more 'fashionable' in the moment for the new fads that come along. Somehow, movie art never gets this same consideration. It's open season to 'change' it up instead of letting the audience find the movie 'as is', as it were.

    But I will be getting the new UHD of Oz when it comes out. Better picture, better sound and hopefully a few minor corrections of omitted dialogue, as discussed on other forums herein. And while one can argue audiences in 1939 never saw Oz in what will ultimately be such remarkable image clarity when it debuts in 4K, due to antiquated methods of printing and projection circa the period, what audiences today will be seeing is precisely what has been available on the original camera negative for all these years. That's a good thing. I cannot wait!

    I'm a film purist too, but preserving and restoring this movie's film elements has nothing to do with them offering a another film version in 3-D. I'm sorry, but I don't see the correlation unless Warner decided not to preserve the film elements in 2-D and only did so in 3-D which clearly they have not done.

  24. Robert Crawford

    I'm a film purist too, but preserving and restoring this movie's film elements has nothing to do with them offering a another film version in 3-D. I'm sorry, but I don't see the correlation unless Warner decided not to preserve the film elements in 2-D and only did so in 3-D which clearly they have not done.

    It's the same as colorization. Just because 3D can be applied to a title doesn't mean it should be. Okay, they provided us with both versions. God bless 'em for that. But there are NOT 2 versions of Oz – only one. This isn't a director's cut, with sanctioned changes made by the creatives responsible for the original content, but a re-imagining of a classic movie, decades afterward, and, for no other reason, except to capitalize on what was a brief, but fashionable, and semi-profitable trend that has since died out, and, in fact, never fully caught on. That's all I was saying. Never said you weren't a film purist. And, of course, respect your opinion as well.

  25. Nick*Z

    It's the same as colorization. Just because 3D can be applied to a title doesn't mean it should be. Okay, they provided us with both versions. God bless 'em for that. But there are NOT 2 versions of Oz – only one. This isn't a director's cut, with sanctioned changes made by the creatives responsible for the original content, but a re-imagining of a classic movie, decades afterward, and, for no other reason, except to capitalize on what was a brief, but fashionable, and semi-profitable trend that has since died out, and, in fact, never fully caught on. That's all I was saying. Never said you weren't a film purist. And, of course, respect your opinion as well.

    PS – and its skating very near to Disney Inc.'s mantra to digitally scrub classic animated movies of content deemed unsuitable for contemporary audiences, as Warner did with its second volume of Tom and Jerry cartoons. Remember how well that decision went over with purists? Not well at all!

    Again, I see nothing wrong with what Warner did with this title so I guess we have to agree to disagree on this issue.

  26. The Wizard of Oz, was made with all the top technology circa 1938. Is there any doubt that they would have used 3D and wide screen for that matter if it was available at that time?

    Also, it is not sacred text, but just a movie. They did not translate the bible into “Valley speak”.

  27. TJPC

    The Wizard of Oz, was made with all the top technology circa 1938. Is there any doubt that they would have used 3D and wide screen for that matter if it was available at that time?

    Also, it is not sacred text, but just a movie. They did not translate the bible into “Valley speak”.

    By that argument, the original King Kong should be colourized, remixed and the stop motion replaced with CG.

  28. I'm good with all variants, just as long as the purists version of a film remains available at all times and, of course, is clearly labeled on the package as to which is which; to avoid consumer confusion.

  29. Nick*Z

    Sorry to differ here, Robert, but I am a film purist. Perhaps not a gimmick, but Warner's original mandate, as outlined in 1997 by Ned Price, was to never "augment" – in other words, 'add' anything to classic movies. It was purely a 'preservation'/'restoration' mantra the studio adopted, and indeed, one of the finest, most progressive and most aggressive programs adopted by a major studio to maintain their archival elements.

    I just felt that Warner betrayed this mantra completely when they converted Oz to 3D. Yes, no one forced me to buy it, and no, I did not buy it. I did, however, see it on a friend's projected set up. It was a lot of fun and the 3D was exceptionally good. But this still is not Oz as nature, Mervyn LeRoy, Victor Fleming or Louis B. Mayer intended!

    You wouldn't take the Mona Lisa, and repaint her smile, add some earrings, and a tattoo just to make her more 'fashionable' in the moment for the new fads that come along. Somehow, movie art never gets this same consideration. It's open season to 'change' it up instead of letting the audience find the movie 'as is', as it were.

    But I will be getting the new UHD of Oz when it comes out. Better picture, better sound and hopefully a few minor corrections of omitted dialogue, as discussed on other forums herein. And while one can argue audiences in 1939 never saw Oz in what will ultimately be such remarkable image clarity when it debuts in 4K, due to antiquated methods of printing and projection circa the period, what audiences today will be seeing is precisely what has been available on the original camera negative for all these years. That's a good thing. I cannot wait!

    If your a purist and only want the original then you’re hardly getting that in a UHD version where someone is choosing what colors to pop etc. and you probably haven’t heard the original sound for decades.
    The 3D is just an alternative way to watch this just as James Cameron’s 3D Titanic is.
    And again I dream of the holographic version of Oz one day as reality.

  30. Worth

    By that argument, the original King Kong should be colourized, remixed and the stop motion replaced with CG.

    As long as the original version is preserved and available for those who choose to view it, why not?

    Though that's basically why we have King Kong (2005).

  31. Craig_Ehr

    It will be very interesting to see what additional detail (if any) can be gleaned from a 1939 Technicolor film in UHD 4K. At least the colors in HDR should be very nice.

    Is this the oldest film to be put out on UHD? Seems like hardly anything older than the 60's has been put out, probably for the reasons you mention.

  32. Ken_Martinez

    Is this the oldest film to be put out on UHD? Seems like hardly anything older than the 60's has been put out, probably for the reasons you mention.

    Yup. The oldest right now is The Bridge on the River Kwai from 1957. I'd imagine Oz will hold the record for quite some time, maybe for good.

  33. Malcolm R

    As long as the original version is preserved and available for those who choose to view it, why not?

    Though that's basically why we have King Kong (2005).

    Sure, as long as the original is available, I don't really care. But even when the original isn't actively suppressed a la Star Wars, revised versions have a way of becoming the default standard.

  34. Ken_Martinez

    Is this the oldest film to be put out on UHD? Seems like hardly anything older than the 60's has been put out, probably for the reasons you mention.

    I would say easily the oldest. Virtually nothing pre-1970 has been released. 1975-1980 does have a few more titles released or coming soon. One

    From what I can find this it the list for the US for pre 1970. There are also a bunch the Peanuts Movies

    1957 Bridge on the River Kwai
    1962 Flying Clipper (apparently not a very good result)
    1969 2001

    Planned
    1939 — Wizard of Oz

    The there is at least one digital only 4K versions. Surely there are some more, but this is the only one off the top of my head
    It's a Wonderful Life (1946)

    France
    1963 — Les Tontons Flingueurs — Gaumont can't find a lot on this
    1969 — The Specialists
    1970 — ??Pending LA ROSE ÉCORCHÉE — has gone through a couple expected release dates and ? now listed May 15.

    Germany
    1966 — Savage Pampas — only reports I can find on this say it's abominable
    1962 — Flying Clipper — sounds like it's less than the Flicker Alley release

    Nordic Countries have a 4K release of Django (1966) through Soul Media. This a truly odd release that appears legit, but it's a UHD transfer a BD50 BD-R. Transfer is supposed to be decent at best.

  35. TJPC

    The Wizard of Oz, was made with all the top technology circa 1938. Is there any doubt that they would have used 3D and wide screen for that matter if it was available at that time?

    Sure – but those weren't available so they didn't make it that way so what's your point?

  36. I honestly cannot believe people still have these discussions. People swore that a black and white movie from the ’30s or ’40s couldn’t possibly benefit from HD. They were wrong! Now they say a movie from 1939 couldn’t possibly benefit from an upgrade to 4K (aside from HDR), despite the fact 35mm film is a higher resolution than 4K video. I would think the people on this site at least would know better.

  37. Personally, I'm really quite eager to learn how both a 1939 film and "The Wizard of Oz" will fare under the guises of the 4K/UHD format. It's actually quite exciting, as we're heading into some uncharted waters with "River Kwai" being the oldest to date. Without myself being versed in the technical nomenclature of this new frontier, I'll just sit back, enjoy these anticipations and await it all until the unveiling. We can't lose. If the reviews are poor, then we don't have to spend a single red cent. But, if "The Wizard of Oz" proves itself to be akin to a visual revelation, then we'll all be having having ourselves another day of fireworks during its release month of July. Either way, folks, we're heading towards a major learning curve of discovery; be they limits or boundlessness. Good luck to us all.:thumbs-up-smiley:

  38. Worth

    Yup. The oldest right now is The Bridge on the River Kwai from 1957. I'd imagine Oz will hold the record for quite some time, maybe for good.

    Isn’t “Its a Wonderful Life” in UHD on iTunes or doesn’t that count?

  39. TJPC

    Also, it is not sacred text, but just a movie. They did not translate the bible into “Valley speak”.

    That analogy falls flat when you consider the myriad of translations that already exist for the Bible. The King James Version with all its "thees" and "thous" is no more authentic to the original Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek texts than Valley speak would be!

  40. I'll be adding the 4k version to my 70th Anniversary box, which already houses the terrific 3D version as well as the flat. I can only watch the 3D version when my beloved wife is out, as she can't stand 3D!
    I'm looking to more classic 4K releases … maybe 'The Adventures of Robin Hood' and 'Meet Me in St Louis' would benefit, because of their wonderful Technicolor. And I'd be surprised if we didn't see a 4K version of 'Casablanca' along the way, It's too significant a Warners asset to ignore.

  41. darkrock17


    50th – 1989 THE BIG ONE
    55th – 1994 Nothing
    60th – 1999 Nothing in the US, did have a limited run in the UK though.
    65th – 2004 Nothing
    70th – 2009 First time on
    Blu
    75th – 2014 IMAX 3D release
    80th – 2019 UHD

    1999 was a limited nationwide film release. Including several beautiful dye transfer prints.

  42. displacedneb

    1999 was a limited nationwide film release. Including several beautiful dye transfer prints.

    Must of not of been shown anywhere in my area, may of played somewhere in D.C. or Maryland that my parents weren't going to drive to just to see this film. I saw the 1998 Special Edition near Potomac Mills mall.

  43. I believe this release on 4K was inevitable. I'm going to hold on until I see some reviews. It sounds so far that they're just doing a 4K release of the version they've offered for several years now. We're aware that they future-proofed the restoration in 8K. But I don't know if this version has ever been…quite right. Some of the color choices looked odd to me. I don't know if that means they were over-saturated or what. Hard to tell the filmmaker's intentions, sometimes, with Technicolor palettes, especially that early on. The version looks good, but I've never been sure how authentic it really is. I can only compare it to old, old vhs releases (which were terrible), and the 50th anniversary vhs (which was also terrible). And now I read through this thread and they're talking about lines of dialogue being dropped and so on. I don't know what to expect.

  44. noel aguirre

    Isn’t “Its a Wonderful Life” in UHD on iTunes or doesn’t that count?

    In my book, everything counts; as its there, ready, done and spruced; only not yet in our physical media hands. One day, hopefully, but there have been valid observations and takes posted elsewhere that point towards Paramount's shift towards exclusive streaming.

    But here is the pecking order thus far:
    "Bridge on the River Kwai" (1957) is, at this moment, the oldest catalog title available on a 4K/UHD disc
    "It's a Wonderful Life" (1946) is not on disc; but is a streaming 4K restoration.
    "The Wizard of Oz" (1939) is in the batter's box for a July release, with a new 4K/UHD disc yest to be reviewed.

  45. Mark-P

    That analogy falls flat when you consider the myriad of translations that already exist for the Bible. The King James Version with all its "thees" and "thous" is no more authentic to the original Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek texts than Valley speak would be!

    HAH !!! That's where thou is wrong. For a film purist, thee only correct version comes from the book of John Huston;
    which was distributed in 1966 and stars Peter O' Toole and George C. Scott.:roll:

  46. Mark-P

    That analogy falls flat when you consider the myriad of translations that already exist for the Bible. The King James Version with all its "thees" and "thous" is no more authentic to the original Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek texts than Valley speak would be!

    You missed my point completely, which was that no one should be upset by changes made to a mere movie. It is not something that is important to the world at large like frivolous or blasphemous changes to a sacred text would be to a vast amount of people. (Not me, I don’t care if translations to Klingon are made!).

  47. TJPC

    You missed my point completely, which was that no one should be upset by changes made to a mere movie. It is not something that is important to the world at large like frivolous or blasphemous changes to a sacred text would be to a vast amount of people. (Not me, I don’t care if translations to Klingon are made!).

    To some people, movies are sacred texts and those "other things" are frivolous. Why don't we just respect each other's "holy grails"?

  48. Ross Gowland

    A 3D Wizard of Oz is like a colourised Casablanca. No matter how well it’s done, it’s a gimmick too far.

    Heck, even Mary Poppins had to turn the aversions of her castor oil into a colorful flavorful concoction, in order to spoon feed its benefits to both Jane and Michael Banks.;)

  49. Paul Rossen

    I would also like to know how It's A Wonderful Life look and sound like in 4k? Better than previous video incarnations?

    It looks very nice for a low-budget film of its vintage. Some shots look better than others, but overall it's very pleasing. Don't expect to be blown away, though. It isn't demo material. I'd say that if you're a fan of the film (and if you aren't, shame on you, Mr. Potter!), then it's worth getting. It's the best the film has looked on home video. I do wish there was a disc release so that we could have a much higher bitrate, but such is life. The sound is clear, which is the best we can expect from a mono soundtrack of its age.

  50. Paul Rossen

    I would also like to know how It's A Wonderful Life look and sound like in 4k? Better than previous video incarnations?

    I don't even have a 4K set, but the new restoration looks amazing at 1080p.

  51. Brian Kidd

    It looks very nice for a low-budget film of its vintage. Some shots look better than others, but overall it's very pleasing. Don't expect to be blown away, though. It isn't demo material. I'd say that if you're a fan of the film (and if you aren't, shame on you, Mr. Potter!), then it's worth getting. It's the best the film has looked on home video. I do wish there was a disc release so that we could have a much higher bitrate, but such is life. The sound is clear, which is the best we can expect from a mono soundtrack of its age.

    Low budget? Over 3 million in 1946 doesn’t sound low to me

  52. Ross Gowland

    A 3D Wizard of Oz is like a colourised Casablanca. No matter how well it’s done, it’s a gimmick too far.

    Going from B&W to fake colour is not analogous to opening both your eyes when you’ve only had one open prior.

  53. I’ve heard about the audio mix issues and that sounds like unfortunately a side effect that has become more and more common even among legacy original mixes being retained. For example: Ben-Hur carries a remix, North by Northwest is still minus it’s original mono mix, and many original monos if not changed somehow are lossy encodes or have dramatic noise reduction or overzealous cleanup applied to them. While I think the 4K Casablanca scan was amazing and that reissue BD the first release since the Criterion CAV Laserdisc to get the grayscale and B&W down pat to something like a 35mm print-the lossless mono doesn’t hold a candle to depth on the Criterion LD PCM tracks or even the later MGM LD boxset mono. Sadly I’m sure the eventual 4K Casablanca will be amazing but retain the same disappointing HD mono.

    I finally picked up the Criterion Oz a month or so ago to check out its exclusive special features. It’s long been a prized LD for those and a transfer of a supposed dye transfer Technicolor print from the MGM vaults. MGM later used that same source for their own LD and then eventually the big Ultimate OZ boxset-whose master got ported over for the first DVD release.

    I figured the recent Walmart dumping of the big 3D swag box meant a 4K release was upcoming so this is good news. Hopefully we get all the bonus features ported over with a remastered BD containing the new master so you don’t have to have a 3D player capable of disabling 3D just to view the new master like the previous release. I too think the 3D was an awful mistake but at least it did not get plastered around everywhere.

  54. What's not to understand? There is ZERO information about Heat on 4K Blu-ray, because it doesn't exist. You'll notice there is no release date. It is nothing but a placeholder.

    EDIT: NEVERMIND. I misread. I'm guessing that is precisely why you do not understand the post. My bad. I would have just deleted this, but couldn't find an option for that.

  55. David Weicker

    Low budget? Over 3 million in 1946 doesn’t sound low to me

    Oh, wow! I had no idea it was that expensive! I stand corrected. Still, I stand by my evaluation of the image quality. It looks really good, but it is never going to be one to show off as an example of the potential of 4K. If you love the movie, it's the best version yet, though.

  56. I always love the “but the filmmakers wouldn’t do it that way!” argument—as if any film producer past or present wouldn’t jump at the chance to augment their film with technological alterations (well-done or not.)

    Aside from filmmakers griping about the truly awful colorization processes, history has shown us time and again that if we fell on that “but the producers!” line and wrote it off depending on what they wanted, we’d be seeing everything before the ‘50s in widescreen with stereophonic sound…

    Incidentally, I heard no griping about the (inauthentic) stereophonic track, but plenty of moans about the 3D. Maybe some folks have tin ears and need the oil can.

  57. Spencer Draper

    I've heard about the audio mix issues and that sounds like unfortunately a side effect that has become more and more common even among legacy original mixes being retained. For example: Ben-Hur carries a remix, North by Northwest is still minus it's original mono .

    The Ben-Hur remix as on the blu ray sounds fine. However, the recent TCM showing in theater's blew the bluray out of the water. I couldn't believe the power of Rozsa' score in this showing. Wow! The NBNW stereo blu ray also sounds fine and opens up Herrmann's score as it should have been to begin with…

    And why would anyone need the original tracks for Bridge on the River Kwai Most of the remixes are just fine and in good taste.

    That said perhaps when Wonderful Life gets the 4k UHD treatment the film will be remixed in Dolby Atmos. Imagine hearing Dimitri Tiomkin"s score in Atmos sound. The Horror!

  58. Paul Rossen

    The Ben-Hur remix as on the blu ray sounds fine. However, the recent TCM showing in theater's blew the bluray out of the water. I couldn't believe the power of Rozsa' score in this showing. Wow! The NBNW stereo blu ray also sounds fine and opens up Herrmann's score as it should have been to begin with…

    Is it known if "Ben-Hur" would be a successful candidate for 4K/UHD?

  59. PMF

    Is it known if "Ben-Hur" would be a successful candidate for 4K/UHD?

    I'm hoping the BH is indeed released in 4K UHD and that it is a step above an already very good 1080p blu ray. It really should look and sound amazing even if it is 60'years old.

  60. I’m guessing that being “A Tale of Christ” might be turn off / politically incorrect in these times. Personally, one of my favorite films of all time.

  61. CarlosMeat

    I'm guessing that being "A Tale of Christ" might be turn off / politically incorrect in these times. Personally, one of my favorite films of all time.

    Yeah – so politically incorrect that they remade it a few years ago! 🙄

  62. Colin Jacobson

    Yeah – so politically incorrect that they remade it a few years ago! 🙄

    Funny how you can watch a movie by yourself, but see it very differently when viewed with other people. I have always thought the silent Ben-Hur was far superior to the 1950s version, so decided to show it to my class when we were studying the silent era.

    Sections of it are in 2 colour Technicolor, and the sea battle uses real ships instead of miniatures in a tub. I had forgotten however how much more religious it was than the later version, and most of the Technicolor sequences are reserved for the birth of Christ.
    I became very apprehensive while while watching it with my class, about a 1/3 of which were recent immigrants with Mohamed somewhere in there name. No one however seemed to think it was inappropriate, and they actually seemed to enjoy the film.

    I remember one technical question. One boy wanted to know why in the world they would choose to make the movie silent? Why not just have people talking?

  63. TJPC

    Funny how you can watch a movie by yourself, but see it very differently when viewed with other people. I have always thought the silent Ben-Hur was far superior to the 1950s version, so decided to show it to my class when we were studying the silent era.

    Sections of it are in 2 colour Technicolor, and the sea battle uses real ships instead of miniatures in a tub. I had forgotten however how much more religious it was than the later version, and most of the Technicolor sequences are reserved for the birth of Christ.
    I became very apprehensive while while watching it with my class, about a 1/3 of which were recent immigrants with Mohamed somewhere in there name. No one however seemed to think it was inappropriate, and they actually seemed to enjoy the film.

    There are plenty of Christian-based films out there these days. Heck, "Breakthrough" is still in the top 10 after 4 weeks.

    I think the comment about "Ben-Hur" being too "politically incorrect" for modern times was an attempt to promote the fictitious "war on Christianity" promoted in some circles…

  64. PMF

    Is it known if "Ben-Hur" would be a successful candidate for 4K/UHD?

    AcesHighStudios

    What possible reason could you have for thinking that it wouldn't be?

    Currently, we are learning that not every film is able to produce that "Wow" factor that one may assume would come with every 4K/UHD disc. Not the fault of the format; by any means; but in my gradual understandings of it all, I am surmising that it has to do with the film and stock that was created in an age of different technology. For example, "Bridge on the River Kwai" (1957) on 4K/UHD fell a bit short. There were many great improvements that made it worth my purchase and I could clearly see where this disc wanted to go; nonetheless, for every greater advancement seen on my screen there were trade-offs that magnified other weaker traits. I'm still learning about this new frontier of 4K/UHD in matters concerning 50+ year old catalog titles and so far, its been a fantastic ride. BTW, to be clear, I am rooting for "The Wizard of Oz" in 4K/UHD to be a success. Finally, if I've been off-track on anything concerning the technical, then please chirp in and correct me; as this was just my overall sense of things.

  65. Robert Crawford

    The result was not because of the subject matter, but that it was an awful film.

    Yeah – so politically incorrect that they remade it a few years ago!

    Do you know that ? Not to mention tough place when the moderators take sides rather than just moderating.[​IMG]

  66. CarlosMeat

    Do you know that ? Not to mention tough place when the moderators take sides rather than just moderating.

    Yes, it wasn't a good film and the CGI didn't help it either for me. As to your moderating comment, if you have an issue with it then contact me by private message. Otherwise, it's best you drop it right now.

  67. CarlosMeat

    Yeah – so politically incorrect that they remade it a few years ago!

    Do you know that ? Not to mention tough place when the moderators take sides rather than just moderating.[​IMG]

    Moderators get to have opinions too. On the whole the moderating staff is among the most profilific of posters here at HTF. I don't see a thing wrong with Robert's response, but if you ever feel that he, I or any other moderator is out of line, feel free to report their posts and neutral parties will review them for bias.

    Thanks!

  68. I once met Margaret Hamilton around the period of her Maxwell House ads.
    It was actually in the lobby of a hotel, where I once worked during my teen years.
    Great conversation and she couldn't had been nicer.
    Heck, she even autographed my "Making of The Wizard of Oz" book;
    which I ran home to get during a highly unscheduled meal break.;)

    Does anyone else have an "Oz" encounter to share?:chatter:

  69. It would be great if someone could find the additional deleted scenes (especially the wicked witch scenes) but they are probably buried under a California highway or at the bottom of the Pacific ocean. Thank you: Kirk Kerkorian 🙁

  70. Paul Rossen

    I'm hoping that BH is indeed released in 4K UHD and that it is a step above an already very good 1080p blu ray. It really should look and sound amazing even if it is 60'years old.

    From what I have seen of the 4k DCP you will be very pleased. Apart from the new HDR grading the resolution and colors will also be improved and the overall picture quality will be a significant step up from 2001, that already got rave reviews.

    Edit: I am mentioning 2001 as it was Warners' first large format classic that made it to UHD Blu-ray.

  71. KPmusmag

    My parents in fact saw it in 1939 (they were 7) and had also become a bit weary of the film over the years, but they were enchanted by the 3D version and said they felt like they saw it again for the first time.

    That is EXACTLY what we said after seeing the 3D edition. Having seen it countless times in various venues & formats, the 3D disc was like being a little kid seeing it for the first time. Better color & detail than the standard BD. Zero interest in getting an HDR (talk about gimmicks!) release. It won't be even remotely the same experience. For me, the 3D version is definitive & will never view it in any flat format ever again.

  72. RJ992

    That is EXACTLY what we said after seeing the 3D edition. Having seen it countless times in various venues & formats, the 3D disc was like being a little kid seeing it for the first time. Better color & detail than the standard BD. Zero interest in getting an HDR (talk about gimmicks!) release. It won't be even remotely the same experience. For me, the 3D version is definitive & will never view it in any flat format ever again.

    So, applying 3D to a movie that wasn't filmed in 3D is "definitive", but HDR is a "gimmick?" OK.

  73. RJ992

    That is EXACTLY what we said after seeing the 3D edition. Having seen it countless times in various venues & formats, the 3D disc was like being a little kid seeing it for the first time. Better color & detail than the standard BD. Zero interest in getting an HDR (talk about gimmicks!) release. It won't be even remotely the same experience. For me, the 3D version is definitive & will never view it in any flat format ever again.

    I have seen colorized movies, seen movies converted to 3D and recently in UHD HDR versions. If done well I found the HDR versions to look very natural and in any case the closest to a proper original presentation among the three options.

  74. Are there any new bonus features they can add for the re-release? I'm pretty happy with my Emerald Edition Blu-ray from the 70th anniversary, and then I think they did something new for the 75th, but I never double-dipped. Obviously the 4K will be an upgrade for those who have embraced that format, but sentimentally, this has already been put out with so much care the last several times that I'm not really sure what else they could add.

  75. Day 1 for me. Regardless of price and regardless of case design.

    That is, just as long as Warner didn't screw up the 4K transfer. The early B&W portion had damn well better have the proper sepia tone and that yellow brick road had better POP with yellow greatness.

    Mark

  76. Mark Booth

    Day 1 for me. Regardless of price and regardless of case design.

    That is, just as long as Warner didn't screw up the 4K transfer. The early B&W portion had damn well better have the proper sepia tone and that yellow brick road had better POP with yellow greatness.

    Mark

    Warner screwing up one of their crown jewels? Not happening after so many prior home video releases of the same title that looked gorgeous.

  77. I got to see a pair of the ruby slippers, the Scarecrow's hat, and Glinda's wand last week at the Smithsonian. I also picked up the new book, "The Road to Oz," by Jay Scarfone and William Stillman when I got back. I'm not too far into it yet, but it goes into some fairly-detailed analysis of the earlier Oz films and the production of the 1939 film. Some of it was familiar, but there's enough in there that was new to be of interest to fans of the film who may have read previous books about it. It's definitely not "fluff." I'm anxious to read more of it.

  78. AnthonyClarke

    With new improved technology maybe they can colourise the B&W portion.

    Mark Booth

    Now that is some really sick humor! Bite your tongue, completely off, please. 🙂

    Mark

    Actually, it could work;
    just as long as they have a proper sepia tone for the entirety of the Oz sections to bring a balance to the whole film.;)
    Oh, yes, I almost forgot; Day One Purchase for me, too. Well, that is, if the Day One reviews are a reflection of all our hopes.:)

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