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Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by RICK BOND, May 6, 2019.
WHAT! 3D movies don't come with 3D special features truly shocking that is
And the Criterion CAV laserdisc still remains the one and only way to watch this masterpiece frame by frame!!
And yes the 3D blu- Ray version is spectacular. I always use it to demo to friends and family who gasp once they see it.
I will pass on this and wait for the hologram version in 2024- the 85th anniversary.
Sorry to differ here, Robert, but I am a film purist. Perhaps not a gimmick, but Warner's original mandate, as outlined in 1997 by Ned Price, was to never "augment" - in other words, 'add' anything to classic movies. It was purely a 'preservation'/'restoration' mantra the studio adopted, and indeed, one of the finest, most progressive and most aggressive programs adopted by a major studio to maintain their archival elements.
I just felt that Warner betrayed this mantra completely when they converted Oz to 3D. Yes, no one forced me to buy it, and no, I did not buy it. I did, however, see it on a friend's projected set up. It was a lot of fun and the 3D was exceptionally good. But this still is not Oz as nature, Mervyn LeRoy, Victor Fleming or Louis B. Mayer intended!
You wouldn't take the Mona Lisa, and repaint her smile, add some earrings, and a tattoo just to make her more 'fashionable' in the moment for the new fads that come along. Somehow, movie art never gets this same consideration. It's open season to 'change' it up instead of letting the audience find the movie 'as is', as it were.
But I will be getting the new UHD of Oz when it comes out. Better picture, better sound and hopefully a few minor corrections of omitted dialogue, as discussed on other forums herein. And while one can argue audiences in 1939 never saw Oz in what will ultimately be such remarkable image clarity when it debuts in 4K, due to antiquated methods of printing and projection circa the period, what audiences today will be seeing is precisely what has been available on the original camera negative for all these years. That's a good thing. I cannot wait!
I'm a film purist too, but preserving and restoring this movie's film elements has nothing to do with them offering another film version in 3-D. I'm sorry, but I don't see the correlation unless Warner decided not to preserve the film elements in 2-D and only did so in 3-D which clearly they have not done.
If people don't want to own or see this film in 3-D that's their business, but I see nothing wrong with what Warner has done with "The Wizard of Oz" in this specific case.
It's the same as colorization. Just because 3D can be applied to a title doesn't mean it should be. Okay, they provided us with both versions. God bless 'em for that. But there are NOT 2 versions of Oz - only one. This isn't a director's cut, with sanctioned changes made by the creatives responsible for the original content, but a re-imagining of a classic movie, decades afterward, and, for no other reason, except to capitalize on what was a brief, but fashionable, and semi-profitable trend that has since died out, and, in fact, never fully caught on. That's all I was saying. Never said you weren't a film purist. And, of course, respect your opinion as well.
PS - and its skating very near to Disney Inc.'s mantra to digitally scrub classic animated movies of content deemed unsuitable for contemporary audiences, as Warner did with its second volume of Tom and Jerry cartoons. Remember how well that decision went over with purists? Not well at all!
Again, I see nothing wrong with what Warner did with this title so I guess we have to agree to disagree on this issue.
The Wizard of Oz, was made with all the top technology circa 1938. Is there any doubt that they would have used 3D and wide screen for that matter if it was available at that time?
Also, it is not sacred text, but just a movie. They did not translate the bible into “Valley speak”.
By that argument, the original King Kong should be colourized, remixed and the stop motion replaced with CG.
I'm good with all variants, just as long as the purists version of a film remains available at all times and, of course, is clearly labeled on the package as to which is which; to avoid consumer confusion.
If your a purist and only want the original then you’re hardly getting that in a UHD version where someone is choosing what colors to pop etc. and you probably haven’t heard the original sound for decades.
The 3D is just an alternative way to watch this just as James Cameron’s 3D Titanic is.
And again I dream of the holographic version of Oz one day as reality.
As long as the original version is preserved and available for those who choose to view it, why not?
Though that's basically why we have King Kong (2005).
Is this the oldest film to be put out on UHD? Seems like hardly anything older than the 60's has been put out, probably for the reasons you mention.
Yup. The oldest right now is The Bridge on the River Kwai from 1957. I'd imagine Oz will hold the record for quite some time, maybe for good.
Sure, as long as the original is available, I don't really care. But even when the original isn't actively suppressed a la Star Wars, revised versions have a way of becoming the default standard.
I would say easily the oldest. Virtually nothing pre-1970 has been released. 1975-1980 does have a few more titles released or coming soon. One
From what I can find this it the list for the US for pre 1970. There are also a bunch the Peanuts Movies
1957 Bridge on the River Kwai
1962 Flying Clipper (apparently not a very good result)
1939 -- Wizard of Oz
There are some digital only 4K versions. Surely there are some more, but .....
It's a Wonderful Life (1946)
War of the Worlds (1953) -- added from below
1963 -- Les Tontons Flingueurs -- Gaumont can't find a lot on this
1969 -- The Specialists
1970 -- ??Pending LA ROSE ÉCORCHÉE -- has gone through a couple expected release dates and ? now listed May 15.
1966 -- Savage Pampas -- only reports I can find on this say it's abominable
1962 -- Flying Clipper -- sounds like it's less than the Flicker Alley release
Nordic Countries have a 4K release of Django (1966) through Soul Media. This a truly odd release that appears legit, but it's a UHD transfer a BD50 BD-R. Transfer is supposed to be decent at best.
You can add War of the Worlds (1953) to the digital only list in 4K.
Done -- obviously an exceptional small list in any version
Sure - but those weren't available so they didn't make it that way so what's your point?