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Yesterday (2019)

Discussion in 'Movies' started by Adam Lenhardt, Feb 12, 2019.

  1. Message #41 of 47 Jul 13, 2019
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    Jake Lipson

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    I'm glad you liked it more than I did. Nothing you wrote actually changes my opinion of the movie, so we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, which is fine. But no one wants to go to the movies and be disappointed so I'm happy you weren't.

    Agreed. After the scene you're talking about:

    Why does Ellie react with surprise that he didn't write any of the songs? I don't remember the exact quote, but it's something like, "That's a really surprising piece of information" or something. I mean, he straight up told her and his other friends that he didn't write Yesterday in the first scene when they claimed not to know who the Beatles were and he thought they were messing with him. So at the bare minimum she should know that he didn't write that one. It's also obvious that he was close to telling her something important before receiving the call from Ed Shereen. I'm not saying she could have put the whole thing together, but her acting like there weren't any signs at all that something was up rang false to me.

    I can try. I would have been able to be more specific if it were closer to when I saw the movie, but it hasn't really stayed with me since I went. That being said, the big issues i had were:

    The movie presents its premise as "only Jack remembers the Beatles." But then it revises that to, "No, there are these two other randoms who also remember for some reason," only because Curtis needs them to tell him where to find John Lennon. That's a cheat. I suppose it qualifies under what you're saying about Jack's understanding changing, because he understands that they remember once they tell him they do, but I found it to be a violation of the premise that wasn't used for anything particularly interesting.

    Also, it's easy to assume that George Harrison would have passed away in this timeline regardless, but if Lennon is alive, then McCartney and Starr should also, logically, be alive. Where are they? What are they doing? I was really mad that the scene with them coming to confront him on James Corden's show was a fake out dream sequence. That was one of the most interesting parts of the trailer for me and I was looking forward to seeing how that would play out if it turned out that they were in the narrative, and it felt like a copout.

    Also, the Beach Boys still exist in this film, as do many of the other artists from around the Beatles' time period. The work that The Beatles were doing influenced Brian Wilson to write Pet Sounds, and then Pet Sounds influenced Sgt. Pepper. Echo in the Canyon, a great documentary out right now in which Paul McCartney is an interview subject, discusses how various musicians from the time period influenced each other. So, if you take the Beatles out, there would be ripple effects on the state of pop music; they were too influential to disappear in a vacuum, but the movie doesn't care to explore the consequences of their disappearance on the music that's left. That to me was a cheat.

    We can agree that they are about as different from each other as it is possible to get for a movie with the Beatles catalog as its basis. But I don't think Yesterday was all that pleasurable, personally. I didn't hate it, but I really didn't like anything in it either. Again, agree to disagree.

    Previously, I had several tracks of the Across the Universe soundtrack downloaded, but I realized, after becoming interested in revisiting it after seeing this film, that it actually wasn't the whole album and I was missing a handful of tracks. So I corrected that surprising omission by buying the complete album (for Across the Universe) on physical CD after coming out of Yesterday. I went into the movie expecting to like it and to want the CD (for Yesterday) after it, but didn't like the movie enough to want a souviner of it. Oh well.
     
  2. Wayne_j

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    I had the same issues with that scene as you did but I still enjoyed the movie regardless.
     
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    Jake - I didn't feel the point of having the other two rememberers in the movie was solely to set up the John Lennon scene. 1) it was to add suspense about Jack being exposed; and 2) it was to make the point that it was a good thing that someone was bringing this music back into the world. When my wife and I were discussing the basic plot idea (spoiler free) with my father-in-law (a big Beatles fan) after we saw the movie, his first reaction was how great it was that someone was able to bring the music back into the world. If and when he sees Yesterday, I am sure that the scene where Jack meets the other two will resonate with him.
     
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  4. Adam Lenhardt

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    This post is full of spoilers. If you haven't see the movie, stop reading now!

    Those two other people are threaded throughout the movie, though. You see the guy in the crowd in Moscow when he's opening for Ed Sheeren, dumbstruck that he's hearing Beatles songs. You see the woman trailing Jack as he's visiting the sights from the songs in Liverpool. Given the billions of people on Earth, it makes sense that he wouldn't have been the only one who had a traumatic event interfere with whatever happened during the power outage.

    There are probably others, too, who just weren't big enough Beatles fans to make the connection.

    There was a scene in Richard Curtis's screenplay, that got cut before the movie went into production, where Jack ran into Paul and Ringo at a pub in Liverpool. Starr played for a while with the Hurricanes, one of Liverpool's leading bands, but ultimately dropped out to finish his machinist apprenticeship. McCartney was in a group called the Quarrymen, but like most teenage bands, it never ultimately went anywhere.

    I think the main reason it was cut (aside from the question of whether Paul and Ringo would be willing to participate) was to preserve the power of the later scene by the beach.
     
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  5. Simon Massey

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    Really enjoyed it / much more like Curtis previous films than Boyle but I thought Boyle kept the film moving at a terrific pace.

    Even though I’m not a huge Beatles fan it was still great fun ( weirdly I’d been to visit the Cavern Club on the same day without really planning on that and the film together ). Most of the characters are lifted straight from Curtis previous films but the performance are so likeable I forgave that.
     
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    I enjoyed it.. until the third act. I did not in any way understand WHY he would need to make that reveal at Wembly? It made absolutely no sense. Others were glad he was bringing the music out, and I thought there were even more possibilities..

    They revealed Oasis didn't exist, and other things.. plus you'd have all of the individual music of Lennon, McCartney, Starr, Harrison - there are a lot of hits there.. hell, even Julian Lennon had a hit; and then group efforts like Wings, Traveling Wilbury's and so on.. I didn't understand at all the reason to reveal.. and his reveal would make NO sense to anyone in the world because they didn't remember. It seemed clunky and all sorts of wrong.

    I would have been so much more accepting of him just conitnuing to put out music, doing more research into more bands that disappeared - or at least songs that disappeared - and make those. Why not? He seemed to have this moral crisis, but the other two people who remembered were like: at least someone remembers the music.. and I thought: exactly.

    Besides which, since no one else could prove the music, who would anyone credit with the lyrics & music - still him. And, he would still be entitled to royalties, etc. so I thought the entire last bit was TERRIBLE.

    It could have been so much better if he just went up, busted out some beatles Tunes, and then dropped something like "Wonderwall" or "She's Electric". Maybe he drops "Maybe I'm Amazed", "Maybe" from McCartney or "Woman" and "Imagine" from Lennon.. this is a film that I thought had so much potential for him to be a good guy who re-introduced the world; and in the end, he just kind of bailed in a way that made NO sense.

    Still, I enjoyed it for the music, for the fun, but it went from a solid B+ film until the ending bit, and that dropped it to a C+
     
  7. TonyD

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    Boy I think you guys are really over analyzing this one.

    So many episodes of the Twilight Zone were exactly like this m I’ve and didn’t supply or need a reason for the “unexplainable” things that happened.
    That’s why it’s called unexplainable.
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    I’m one who really dislikes ambiguity in stories but the story wasn’t really about the disappearance of The Beatles and Coke and whatnot it was about these two people and the journey of how they get to where they belong.

    The music thing was the mcguffin for lack of a better word.

    Anyway I’ve never been big on the Beatles but I understand why a movie like this needs to use the Beatles, using The Who wouldn’t really work.

    I loved the Actress who played Ellie, lily James, she was great.
    Also confirming that it was uncredited Robert Carlyle who played Lennon, Boyle said it on the commentary.

    I’m so glad I didn’t know about that scene.
    As soon as it was released who he went to visit I just about lost it.
    I mean I did lose it.
    One of my favorite movie scenes ever.

    Also there’s and alternate start and end for the movie in the extras.

    I really love this movie.
     
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