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Discussion in 'Speakers & Subwoofers' started by Haris Ellahi, Apr 4, 2003.
Which of these two subwoofers would you expect to be better for home theater?
Well there is a good question Haris? To early yet for any numbers to be out on the SVS PB2-Plus as you know but considering the whole picture I think I might go with the SVS. It would be new //"can you get the 18" Vel new for close to the same cost"// and would have there money back guarantee along with there top notch costumer service. From Toms past posts on the 2+ I would expect it to hold it's own quite well in this category of subs? Should be close anyway? In the past I have ran duel Vel ct-150's which I am phasing out and they have been no slouch, but not in the same category as the 18".
Considering Adire's Dharman subwoofer ($599) is equivalent to an HGS15, I'd expect the PB2+ to exceed the HGS18.
If both are within your budget, go with the HGS18. You might be able to find them discounted now since the *digital* HGS's are supposed to be shipping in summer/2003. And if you can find a FSR18 at the local dealer...that is even better than the HGS18. Based only on a size/extension/distortion/output ratio...the HGS18 really has little competition...but you do pay quite a bit for it. TV
Thanks for all the info. Tom, So you're saying that the Velodyne HGS-18 goes louder and deeper than the SVS PB2-Plus? Secondly, what exactly are the new "digital" Velodyne HGS subwoofers? What will the difference be between them and the current line?
$4,000-$5,000? Ouch. I guess I'll stick with the SVS PB2-Plus.
Seems to me you could buy two PB2+'s for the cost of one HGS18. That's if the estimated cost of the PB2+ is around $1299.00. Onecall has the Velo HGS18 at $2799.00
Street price on HGS18 is more like $1,995.00
Haris, That's not what Tom meant. He said "little" competition, not none. And for all intents and purposes, the PB2-Plus isn't competition anyway, it's not even available yet, whereas you can have an excellent HGS-18 tomorrow if you want. Final component prices are just about nailed. The $1,299 ball park is as close as any we have at the moement. If we thought there was a sub that provided as much performance, at twice the price, we'd be relooking things. So far we're OK I think ;^) As soon as we get a final production date for our enclosures and tweak a few details that'll affect boxing and shipping we'll start talking pre-orders. It's our number one project in both R/D and Marketing so you know we're pushing hard to wrap things up. Ron
>>>Thanks for all the info. Tom,So you're saying that the Velodyne HGS-18 goes louder and deeper than the SVS PB2-Plus?
I commend the SVS guys for being honest and upfront!! The HGS-18 is one great sub and will fit "most" applications. Got a local revel dealer to do a comparison and the velo bested the revel B15. It really matters what you want and for what application. The most bang for the buck will probably always go to HSU, SVS and the custom Tumult guys. It is just economics on why these companies can deliver more value- commerical companies need to build into their pricing for larger overhead, print media advertising, name recognition/brand awareness and dealer margins to name a few.
Thanks for all the input guys. Anyway, I'll wait for the SVS PB2-Plus.
I'm a little perplexed, as to the Velo providing greater output than the PB2+.Firstly, in the weatherhead review, a single SVS ultra achieved 3db greater output than the velo down to 20hz all measurement statistics being equal.If a single ultra can outperform output wise, then surely the PB2+ would crush it? I'm not 100 percent familiar with the PB2+.Isn't the PB2+ more powerful than a single ultra? I always thought that your mid-priced units could outperform the velodyne 18", but now it seems almost unbeatable down low.I was under the impression that the 16-46pc+ could outperform the velo down low, and the other models beating the velo within their respective frequency limits. Regards
"Isn't the PB2+ more powerful than a single ultra?" Good question. Tom (TV), how about a neat chart or something that shows how the SV subs stack up to each other?
>>>Isn't the PB2+ more powerful than a single ultra?" Good question. Tom (TV), how about a neat chart or something that shows how the SV subs stack up to each other?
FYI PB2+ pics are up. Here. JKS
In the comparisons, don't forget that the ported SVS enclosures have a bit of an advantage over the sealed/smaller Velodyne. Tom laid out the comparisons pretty darned well, IMHO.
Demas: Tom clearly qualified his statement to award the Velo the advantage only below 20 Hz and only when the PB2+ is either in the 25 or 20 Hz tune mode. Yes, the Velo is definitely a bottom feeder. Looking at the Weatherhead review FR chart for the big Velo, it clearly hangs in there, remaining flat from 30 Hz down to below 15 Hz.