Michael Elliott
Senior HTF Member
Joe, since you admit to not seeing LARCENY I don't see how you can follow that up with "a complete and bonafide "remake" is not accurate. Since I doubt you'll ever watch LARCENY I'll just ruin it for you that they end in the exact same manor and they also have certain characters going through the very same thing. Allen and Robinson's characters make the exact "switch" for the same exact reasons and the "others" do the exact same thing to keep the gig going. Considering I've actually seen both films I can say that they are certainly the same movie.
As for TERROR FIRMER, once again I'd recommend that you actually watch the film before you start saying people are wrong or trying to defend something. There are even Kaufman interviews where he talks about the two films and once again, it appears Allen has seen several Troma movies. This one? Who knows. TERROR is a complete piece of shit with a good idea. Perhaps Allen took the good idea and did something a lot better with it. Happens all the time. Perhaps it was just by chance. Either way red flags can and did go up.
Either way, this back and forth has gone on long enough so you can have the final word. LARCENY, INC. is on TCM all the time and it's on DVD through their Gangsters Collection Vol. 4 so you can actually watch it if you want.
MARIO, I too was duped into buy that Mondo Collection just a few hours before an eventual screener showed up. This was a pretty big bomb for BU, which is why many more re-releases eventually followed. The price tag was simply too high for the type of films these are. This is probably a big reason why so many studios like this have come and gone. I didn't think any of the films were that great either.
CUT AND RUN is one I hated more than you did. Italian cinema in this period is so interesting because you can pretty much see these directors putting a gun in their mouths and blowing their brains on the film. It seems every genre director from the late 70's "crash" from Bava to Fulci to Lenzi all tried to recapture that spirit in the 80's and delivered some truly horrid movies. It's rather sad to see but it's still interesting viewing all these Italian movies from the late 70's to the early 90's. Of course, the genre and these directors are mostly dead in terms of any type of cinema today, although it appears Bava and Mattei at least had some sorts of a comeback.
As for TERROR FIRMER, once again I'd recommend that you actually watch the film before you start saying people are wrong or trying to defend something. There are even Kaufman interviews where he talks about the two films and once again, it appears Allen has seen several Troma movies. This one? Who knows. TERROR is a complete piece of shit with a good idea. Perhaps Allen took the good idea and did something a lot better with it. Happens all the time. Perhaps it was just by chance. Either way red flags can and did go up.
Either way, this back and forth has gone on long enough so you can have the final word. LARCENY, INC. is on TCM all the time and it's on DVD through their Gangsters Collection Vol. 4 so you can actually watch it if you want.
MARIO, I too was duped into buy that Mondo Collection just a few hours before an eventual screener showed up. This was a pretty big bomb for BU, which is why many more re-releases eventually followed. The price tag was simply too high for the type of films these are. This is probably a big reason why so many studios like this have come and gone. I didn't think any of the films were that great either.
CUT AND RUN is one I hated more than you did. Italian cinema in this period is so interesting because you can pretty much see these directors putting a gun in their mouths and blowing their brains on the film. It seems every genre director from the late 70's "crash" from Bava to Fulci to Lenzi all tried to recapture that spirit in the 80's and delivered some truly horrid movies. It's rather sad to see but it's still interesting viewing all these Italian movies from the late 70's to the early 90's. Of course, the genre and these directors are mostly dead in terms of any type of cinema today, although it appears Bava and Mattei at least had some sorts of a comeback.