I'm really starting to think Onkyo 650 may be the way to go instead of the Kenwood HTB505. I need to go and listen, but does anyone have a source for the Onkyo? So far I have only found it available at Circuit City, and, based on a very bad personal experience, I really do not want to go there to buy one. Thanks again for all the help. Basement is wired, dry wall going up next week.