Sony PS5 buyers and owners (1 Viewer)

[Sam Posten]

I’m laughing at this because I didn’t expect anyone to respond but TJPC to respond. My sarcastic response is because he has taken a dump in every thread he can find to bemoan the lack of 3D support. Sorry for your confusion Edwin.


To recap:
Every Blu-ray player including ps3,PS4 and ps5 will support 3D Blu-ray playback. It’s required by the Blu-ray standard.
No, 3D 4K is not a thing. Maybe it will be in the future. There is no guarantee that any device will support it.

If you have a Blu-ray deck that will not play a 3D disk, upgrade your firmware. If that does not fix it you have a defective disk or player or user.

 

[TJPC]

I’m laughing at this because I didn’t expect anyone to respond but TJPC to respond. My sarcastic response is because he has taken a dump in every thread he can find to bemoan the lack of 3D support. Sorry for your confusion Edwin.


To recap:
Every Blu-ray player including ps3,PS4 and ps5 will support 3D Blu-ray playback. It’s required by the Blu-ray standard.
No, 3D 4K is not a thing. Maybe it will be in the future. There is no guarantee that any device will support it.

If you have a Blu-ray deck that will not play a 3D disk, upgrade your firmware. If that does not fix it you have a defective disk or player or user.

I really am mystified and disappointed by this personal attack on me. I thought we were more friendly here and we had a family atmosphere.

Is it a crime to enjoy 3D and want to continue that capability? I have made an honest enquiry as to the PS5s ability to interpret 3D discs. I would not call that a case of “bemoaning”.

I also assure you, I am not as “defective” as you suggest, and it is true that the other blu ray players I own will not play 3D. I recently wanted to view the extras on the new Aladdin 3D set I received from Britain, and put in the wrong disc and got the same warning. These are not high end decks, but ones I bought to have on my secondary systems in the family and bedroom. One is I believe a Sanyo, and one a Sony.
Perhaps I am so defective that I put the disc in upside down!

 

[Josh Steinberg]

The Blu-ray hardware standard has no requirement to play 3D discs.

It’s actually somewhat the opposite. The Blu-ray 3D specification requires all 3D releases to be backwards compatible on 2D equipment; either by having both versions on the same disc, or including separate 2D and 3D discs in the same package. This requirement has been violated only a small number of times but to date the BDA has not revoked the offenders’ privilege to release Blu-ray titles or forced the product off the market.

PS4 didn’t play 3D out of the box, but was eventually able to via firmware update. It seems likely that one way or the other, PS5 will one day have the capability, though given the format’s diminished popularity, it may not wind up as a bullet point on the initial press releases.

 

[Bryan^H]

I have 5 Blu ray players. The only one that will play a 3D disc is the PS3. All the others display a warning that they can’t play 3D discs when I have accidentally put the wrong one in.

The PS5 is going to support VR. It will definitely have 3D. Rumor has it the Price will be $550. If the next Elder Scrolls game is launched with it, day one for me. No question about it.

 

[Morgan Jolley]

Is there still a strong market for 3D movies? I would imagine the biggest limiter going forward is the sale of new TVs that include support for it.

The PS5 will probably be able to support 3D movies but the bigger question is whether or not that will be utilized by consumers.

 

[Bryan^H]

Is there still a strong market for 3D movies? I would imagine the biggest limiter going forward is the sale of new TVs that include support for it.

The PS5 will probably be able to support 3D movies but the bigger question is whether or not that will be utilized by consumers.

3D is a touchy subject. Televisions no longer support 3D and have not since 2016. But many projectors do, and don't seem to be in a hurry to eliminate that feature.
On the Software side it is dead in the U.S. (except for Warner Bros. still releasing seldom/random titles) other countries still support 3D BD. Some studios like Paramount, and Fox have completely stopped support for 3D on disc however.

Movie theaters still support 3D, although much more limited than it once was.

Studios seem afraid to rip the bandaid off and just kill it so 3D must be doing something right as it should have been dead the moment televisions stopped support for it.

 

[Sam Posten]

I really am mystified and disappointed by this personal attack on me. I thought we were more friendly here and we had a family atmosphere.

Is it a crime to enjoy 3D and want to continue that capability? I have made an honest enquiry as to the PS5s ability to interpret 3D discs. I would not call that a case of “bemoaning”.

I also assure you, I am not as “defective” as you suggest, and it is true that the other blu ray players I own will not play 3D. I recently wanted to view the extras on the new Aladdin 3D set I received from Britain, and put in the wrong disc and got the same warning. These are not high end decks, but ones I bought to have on my secondary systems in the family and bedroom. One is I believe a Sanyo, and one a Sony.
Perhaps I am so defective that I put the disc in upside down!

Sorry that should have read 'User error' not defective user. That truly was unintentional. And as Josh notes Bluray decks are not required to support 3D so if that feature is important to you you should make sure it has it before buying one.

It is not a crime to want 3d. It IS exhausting to see a small group of members flock to every post that has absolutely zero to do with 3D and have them derail the conversation because this feature is not supported. Your honest 'enquiry' belies the fact that nobody knows what the final specs will look like outside of Sony. And they will never ever ever see your question here. So asking here will result in only speculation. The full reveal will be coming soon we all hope.

@Josh Steinberg Thanks for that information. I honestly thought it was part of the spec. That it is NOT is even more reason for hardware manufacturers to stop wasting resources on it.

 

[TJPC]

I do often ask questions here because I know there are some “industry insiders” here and people much more technically in the know than I am who might be able to answer them.

We bought a complete Sony package several years ago that included a PS3. I am not a gamer, and my wife is not interested at all in the type of games available for this system. We sold the game that came with it, and after a lot of shopping, we ended up buying only one disc. The games she prefers are the casino/Tetris type. We are in our 60s after all. I know some can be downloaded, but we gave up.

That was my first experience with any kind of Blu ray player and 3D however, and I was hooked. I find the PS3 really fits into our lifestyle, with its other abilities to access Netflix etc.

The next move is to upgrade to 4K. That is why I did not buy a PS4. If PS5 has 3D, with the ability to play 4K discs, I will be interested.

 

[Edwin-S]

I do often ask questions here because I know there are some “industry insiders” here and people much more technically in the know than I am who might be able to answer them.

We bought a complete Sony package several years ago that included a PS3. I am not a gamer, and my wife is not interested at all in the type of games available for this system. We sold the game that came with it, and after a lot of shopping, we ended up buying only one disc. The games she prefers are the casino/Tetris type. We are in our 60s after all. I know some can be downloaded, but we gave up.

That was my first experience with any kind of Blu ray player and 3D however, and I was hooked. I find the PS3 really fits into our lifestyle, with its other abilities to access Netflix etc.

The next move is to upgrade to 4K. That is why I did not buy a PS4. If PS5 has 3D, with the ability to play 4K discs, I will be interested.

At this juncture in time, if playing 4K and 3D discs is the most important function in a player then I wouldn't bother waiting until the PS5 came out. At one time it made sense to buy the PS3 as a blu-ray player because it was pretty well the first BD player on the market, so purchasing it was a no brainer if one wanted to play BDs.

The same conditions do not exist for 4K Blu-ray players. There is a plethora of 4K/3D capable standalone players available in the market right now. Why wait for a PS5 and pay for gaming features that you pretty well admit you will never use. If the PS5 is slated to sell around the 550 dollar mark then I would just spend the money on a standalone 4K player with 3D capability such as the Panasonic UB820 or a UB420.

Visions has the latter for sale on their website for 300 bucks. It is a full 4K player, supports 3D playback and HDR and HDR10+. Why wait and pay for a game machine that may or may not support 3D then use it only as a player? Buying a PS5 with 4K playback only matters if a person is a gamer that doesn't own a 4K player to begin with.

 

[Sam Posten]

Well said.

 

[Bryan^H]

I do often ask questions here because I know there are some “industry insiders” here and people much more technically in the know than I am who might be able to answer them.

We bought a complete Sony package several years ago that included a PS3. I am not a gamer, and my wife is not interested at all in the type of games available for this system. We sold the game that came with it, and after a lot of shopping, we ended up buying only one disc. The games she prefers are the casino/Tetris type. We are in our 60s after all. I know some can be downloaded, but we gave up.

That was my first experience with any kind of Blu ray player and 3D however, and I was hooked. I find the PS3 really fits into our lifestyle, with its other abilities to access Netflix etc.

The next move is to upgrade to 4K. That is why I did not buy a PS4. If PS5 has 3D, with the ability to play 4K discs, I will be interested.

Terry, I strongly recommend the Xbox One "S" system. For about $250 you can have one heck of a 4K player that does everything (Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos, 3D) and the UHD disc playback rivals my expensive Panasonic player. It is also really fast. The streaming apps are great (I use it for Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon Prime) and on the ergonomic side it can't be beat.

 

[Ruz-El]

I'm keeping my eye on the PS5 and it's backwards compatibility. If it actually is true for PS4, I'll grab it sooner than later. If it's more PSNOW subscription garbage, I'll probably skip next gen entirely until I upgrade my TV and can justify a 4K player. I got a huge backlog of games, and not really set up to have multiple systems hooked up to keep them all accessible. If I can't replace the PS4, it wont really work for me since I'm not expecting the PS5 to play PS3 games.

 

[Morgan Jolley]

Sony has stated that PS5 will natively support anything that is on PS4, which likely includes all PS4 disc and digital games plus PS Now as a service. They probably can support PS1/2/3 games on disc through emulation if they wanted to...but won't.

(Sidenote: Microsoft has stated that anything that plays on the Xbox One, including original Xbox games and Xbox 360 games, whether digital or on disc, will work on Scarlett. So this is starting to be a thing again.)

 

[Ruz-El]

Sony has stated that PS5 will natively support anything that is on PS4, which likely includes all PS4 disc and digital games plus PS Now as a service. They probably can support PS1/2/3 games on disc through emulation if they wanted to...but won't.

(Sidenote: Microsoft has stated that anything that plays on the Xbox One, including original Xbox games and Xbox 360 games, whether digital or on disc, will work on Scarlett. So this is starting to be a thing again.)

Microsoft are probably doing it since their PC division competes with Steam. Sony sort of sold the PSN as that, but obviously nothing carried over to the PS4 from the PS3. I can understand the money motivation of not having things backward compatible either through hardware or emulation, it is a pain in the butt though when I have so many PS3 games as part of the PS+ sitting around and not having space/gear to easily have everything hooked up at once. Not that I'm thinking the PS5 will have PS3 support, that idea is dead due to PSNOW. They COULD allow free PSNOW play for PSN games that show owned in the signed in account, but I wont expect that, either.

 

[Morgan Jolley]

I think Microsoft is pushing the backward compatibility thing as a selling point, but it's really a feature that most people won't actually use. Sony and Nintendo have sort of realized that there's a market for remastered games from 1-2 generations back, so third parties seem happy to toss PS2 and PS3 ports onto modern hardware, charge $20-30 each, and make easy money. Backward compatibility negates that.

I would be very happy to see the PS5 have built-in support all the way back to the PS1. Do I expect it? No. If they include it, would I use it? Probably not.

Its also starting to look like MS and Sony are moving towards cloud-based gaming as a second pillar alongside their home consoles, so I wonder just how deeply they'll build that. Will they allow you to buy a $60 game that includes the stream-to-any-device version for free? A subscription like PS Now that includes a ton of games but you can't buy them directly (since they rely on streaming infrastructure that might not be around in a few years, or licenses that might expire)? I'm guessing things for the next gen will look pretty similar to the current one.

 

[Bryan^H]

I think Microsoft is pushing the backward compatibility thing as a selling point, but it's really a feature that most people won't actually use. Sony and Nintendo have sort of realized that there's a market for remastered games from 1-2 generations back, so third parties seem happy to toss PS2 and PS3 ports onto modern hardware, charge $20-30 each, and make easy money. Backward compatibility negates that.

I would be very happy to see the PS5 have built-in support all the way back to the PS1. Do I expect it? No. If they include it, would I use it? Probably not.

That is what confuses me the most. the PS NOW service is catered to the millions upon millions of casual gamers. Those that still own deep catalogue titles are so few, I mean worldwide it has to be less than 50,000 people. Is that worth creating Backward comp. as a selling point, and on the flip side how could that damage or detract from the PS NOW service being such a small minority?

 

[Sam Posten]

You are off by two orders of magnitude at least

 

[Morgan Jolley]

As of ~1 month ago, Sony had 1 million PS Now subscribers: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-10-30-playstation-now-hits-1-million-subscribers

The thing is, seriously, how much do people actually use backward compatibility? In cases where it's one generation prior (PS3 playing PS2 games, for example) then I can see it being popular for the first year or so of a generation transition, probably people who recently upgraded or just bought into the console ecosystem and want to see what they're missing. But how many people playing PS1 games on their PS3 as a percentage of total time spent playing? That seems to be the justification from Sony for completely ignoring this on the PS4 (combined with being able to quickly re-release some PS2-era games with trophies and charge a higher price).

That said, even if people don't actually use the backward compatibility feature, I wonder if having it as a selling point would generate enough sales to offset the cost of implementing it. In other words, would it be worth the time and money to develop a feature that nobody actually uses simply because people want the feature even if they don't use it? Microsoft seems to be saying yes, but they're also far from the market leader and need every tool in their toolbox available.

Here's an article from 2ish years ago about this: https://www.businessinsider.com/xbox-one-backwards-compatibility-ps4-jim-ryan-2017-6

And here's the Ars Technica article, cited by the Business Insider article, that shows only 1.5% of Xbox One console play time was spent on backward compatibility.

 

[Jeff Cooper]

I would say it's a selling point. People are emotional, not rational. Being able to do it means a lot to people, even if they never really intend to actually do it.

 

[Ruz-El]

I get where you all are coming from with backwards compatibility. It seems really niche to expect to be able to put in a PS1 disc and play the game.

that said, I don't think it's uncalled for to expect to be able to play games purchased through the PSN, and there by being able to play your PS3 games from disc on a PS4 or PS5 either through hardware or software emulation. PSN before PSNow showed up was being billed as a service unto itself at one point, with those TV box things being sold to access it. As far as hurting sales on remastered HD collections, I'm not sure that's true. If I already own a game, I'm unlikely to buy it a second time to play it a second time. I consider myself an average gamer at best. If I was interested in playing a game for the first time, I would buy the HD remaster over the PS1 classic (the line in the PSN store) regardless of price difference, I'm guessing most would?

Is it a necessity or a deal breaker? No. Do I think it will happen on the PS5? Not a chance with PSNow.

That said, if PSNow links to your account on the PSN for trophy support or cloud saving (I have no idea, having never tried it.) there is absolutely no reason that you shouldn't be able to play games you own on the PSN on PSNow for free if they are available. It's the only aspect of the service I would be able to justify subscribing for.