Rust (1 Viewer)

[Edwin-S]

Sorry, but I don't care about how you have been doing something for 3 decades. All it tells me is that for three decades Hollywood has been practicing unsafe safety protocols and have gotten away with doing nothing to fix them because, well, deadly accidents only happen rarely. Should the same standard should apply to other industrial workplaces then? Workers are only killed rarely in accidents, so why change work procedures when it happens.

People can try to justify Baldwin's own lapses all they want, but it isn't washing with me. I couldn't careless about his prominence in society compared to some behind the scenes set peon. He still has a responsibility to prevent workplace accidents just like anyone else in the workplace.

 

[Robert Crawford]

It's time to agree to disagree as neither of you are going to change your position regarding this issue.

 

[JoeStemme]

Sorry, but I don't care about how you have been doing something for 3 decades. All it tells me is that for three decades Hollywood has been practicing unsafe safety protocols and have gotten away with doing nothing to fix them because, well, deadly accidents only happen rarely. Should the same standard should apply to other industrial workplaces then? Workers are only killed rarely in accidents, so why change work procedures when it happens.

People can try to justify Baldwin's own lapses all they want, but it isn't washing with me. I couldn't careless about his prominence in society compared to some behind the scenes set peon. He still has a responsibility to prevent workplace accidents just like anyone else in the workplace.

EVERY industry has protocols. That's why there is such a thing as expert testimony.
You may believe what you want to believe, but, there is a reason folks who actually know the procedures (including, as i noted and stress now - LEGAL experts with no connection to "Hollywood" - feel the same way)

 

[jayembee]

That segment is good and George Miller's remake on Nightmare On 20,000 Feet is arguably even better than the TV version.

It was certainly good, but if nothing else, its existence was thoroughly justified by a reference to both versions in an episode of 3rd Rock from the Sun. Dick (John Lithgow) was in communication with his boss, The Big Giant Head (William Shatner). At some point, TBGH mentions being on a flight in which he thought they saw something on the wing. Dick gasps, and says, "That happened to me, too!"

We now bring you back to the "Rust" thread, still in progress...

 

[SamT]

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/14/entertainment/rust-shooting-armorer-indictment-response/index.html

‘Rust’ armorer likely was hungover when she loaded the gun

 

[JoeStemme]

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/14/entertainment/rust-shooting-armorer-indictment-response/index.html

‘Rust’ armorer likely was hungover when she loaded the gun

As I've said here prior - just more evidence why the Armorer is first and foremost responsible.

 

[Jeffrey D]

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/14/entertainment/rust-shooting-armorer-indictment-response/index.html

‘Rust’ armorer likely was hungover when she loaded the gun

Will be hard to prove she had a BAC number over the legal limit the night before the tragedy.
I wonder if this death has done anything towards making changes about gun safety on film/TV sets, like a gun used for a production can not have any live rounds inserted into it.

 

[Alex...]

Prosecutors say Rust armorer attempted to hide a small bag of cocaine the night of the fatal shooting after she was questioned by police.

-Deadline-

 

[Alex...]

"Alec Baldwin could be charged again in the fatal shooting of “Rust” cinematographer Halyna Hutchins after a bombshell new gun analysis concluded that the trigger was pulled — despite the actor’s repeated denials."

Alec Baldwin could be charged again in ‘Rust’ shooting after analysis finds trigger was pulled

Experts in ballistics and forensic testing based in Arizona and New Mexico released a report examining the revolver used on set and markings it left on a spent cartridge.

nypost.com

 

[JoeStemme]

"Alec Baldwin could be charged again in the fatal shooting of “Rust” cinematographer Halyna Hutchins after a bombshell new gun analysis concluded that the trigger was pulled — despite the actor’s repeated denials."

Alec Baldwin could be charged again in ‘Rust’ shooting after analysis finds trigger was pulled

Experts in ballistics and forensic testing based in Arizona and New Mexico released a report examining the revolver used on set and markings it left on a spent cartridge.

nypost.com

It's all noise. It's on the Armorer.

 

[SamT]

Pulling the trigger is a crime?

 

[JoeStemme]

Pulling the trigger is a crime?

Read my other comments here. It's not on the actor, it's on the armorer. And, I've been there myself.

 

[SamT]

I was obviously commenting on the nypost article as I liked your post indicating that I agree it's on the armorer.

 

[Jeffrey D]

"Alec Baldwin could be charged again in the fatal shooting of “Rust” cinematographer Halyna Hutchins after a bombshell new gun analysis concluded that the trigger was pulled — despite the actor’s repeated denials."

Alec Baldwin could be charged again in ‘Rust’ shooting after analysis finds trigger was pulled

Experts in ballistics and forensic testing based in Arizona and New Mexico released a report examining the revolver used on set and markings it left on a spent cartridge.

nypost.com

How could the gun fire by itself? Of course he pulled the trigger, but the armorer will get the heat, for a couple of reasons.

 

[Alex...]

Prosecutors intend to re-charge actor Alec Baldwin with involuntary manslaughter

Prosecutors investigating 'Rust' shooting intend to bring involuntary manslaughter charge against Alec Baldwin before a grand jury

Special prosecutors dismissed this same charge against Baldwin five months, citing “new facts” in the case.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Alex...]

 

[Joe Wong]

Alec Baldwin Charged With Manslaughter Again In ‘Rust’ Fatal Shooting; “Look Forward To Our Day In Court,” Actor’s Lawyers Say

Exactly one year to the day that Alec Baldwin was first charged with involuntary manslaughter in the fatal 2021 shooting of Rust cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, the actor has been charged again. W…

deadline.com

 

[Jake Lipson]

I don't really want to comment on legal stuff. That is for the courts to sort out.

But how is this movie ever going to be released? Rust has attained more notoriety than any other small indie film in recent memory, but absolutely none of that Is because of anything in the actual movie. It is all because of how Hutchins died.

I'm not sure how this movie can be marketed and released as a piece of filmmaking beyond being seen as the movie on which this terrible tragedy occurred. I honestly don't know that I would be able to surrender myself to the story of the film and not think about the circumstances of Hutchins' death the whole time.

I want to be clear that I am not saying in any way whatsoever that the movie is worth more than her life was, because it is absolutely not. But because the producers chose to complete the movie, they are eventually going to have to figure out how to release it.

 

[Joe Wong]

Yep, it will hard to dis-associate from the tragedy.

While not the same situation, it's like the question that's often asked when a film is made about a relatively recent tragedy/disaster-type event: "Too soon?"

 

[Ronald Epstein]