I'm looking for a nice car about 4 years old with about 50K miles on it, willing to spend about $17K. I would like something upmarket, but that's not an absolute requirement. I am replacing a loaded Audi A4 2.8 Quattro (sport suspension) that is a wonderful car but just too damned expensive to maintain. I would prefer a standard transmission, but an automatic is possible. I prefer all wheel drive. Will settle for FWD or even RWD. Must be reliable as hell and relatively cheap to own. I like a little power and sharp but not bone-jarring handling (I drive an A4 2.8 - if you're familiar with the car you know what I like). I do NOT like a choppy ride like I get with my A4 Sport. Like sedans and wagons. I test drove a 2001 Infiniti I30, expecting to love it. On paper I should really like it, great engineering, comfortable ride, nice V6 engine, etc. It's OK. I could learn to love it, but it does not grab me like the A4 did when I first drove that. Not even close. ...Then again after 3 hours on a road trip I hate the way the sport suspension on the A4 "grabs me".... I am leaning towards looking for a used Subaru Legacy 5 speed. (wagon preferred) I am specifically looking for a car that has poor value retention. I am hoping to drive this car into the ground, and buying used, so poor value retention is a plus for me, it means I get more for my dollar, hence looking at Infinities. My 5-speed preference should help in this matter as well. Give me more options, car people.