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The re-issue audio can easily be adjusted to shoe-horn into the 1929 picture source used in the set without any "blips" or noticeable distractions.

Or, it could have actually been "restored" using the best and most complete elements for both picture and sound to begin with (i.e. the title, "Definitive Restoration").

I don't feel reassured knowing that the "team" discussed this particular problem, but let it get released in such a sloppy manner, anyway. Perhaps any further releases will employ a team with clearer sense of historical accuracy and judgement.
Okay, I don't have the set (yet) but if I'm understanding correctly, the team was aware that there was an audio sync problem in the reissue version of "Berth Marks," but since that's how it went out to theaters, it was considered correct, just as the 1929 version (with no sync issue) is considered correct, because that's how it was presented to 1929 audiences. Do I have that right?
 
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Okay, I don't have the set (yet) but if I'm understanding correctly, the team was aware that there was an audio sync problem in the reissue version of "Berth Marks," but since that's how it went out to theaters, it was considered correct, just as the 1929 version (with no sync issue) is considered correct, because that's how it was presented to 1929 audiences. Do I have that right?
From what I've read, the audio sync problem for the 1936 BERTH MARKS reissue soundtrack for this release is because it's the 1929 film edit (which apparently differs slightly in length from the reissue print) that's being used.

I have the "Essential Collection" version of the 1936 reissued BERTH MARKS (1929), which has no audio sync issues.

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From what I've read, the audio sync problem for the 1936 BERTH MARKS reissue soundtrack for this release is because it's the 1929 film edit (which apparently differs slightly in length from the reissue print) that's being used.

I have the "Essential Collection" version of the 1936 reissued BERTH MARKS (1929), which has no audio sync issues.

CHEERS! :)
Thanks for the info. I'ld love to give you a Laurel and Hardy Handshake but I'll have to settle with ...
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From what I've read, the audio sync problem for the 1936 BERTH MARKS reissue soundtrack for this release is because it's the 1929 film edit (which apparently differs slightly in length from the reissue print) that's being used.

I have the "Essential Collection" version of the 1936 reissued BERTH MARKS (1929), which has no audio sync issues.

CHEERS! :)
Exactly. According to Mr. Skretvedt's response to an inquiry made on Facebook:

"I know that we went round and round on this and the problem is that the '29 picture source varies a bit from the reissue, so that there are moments in the reissue version when sync slips a bit -- but as far as I can recall, the vast majority of the reissue version is in sync."

The folks working on it knew it was out of sync and just let it be rather than, say, correcting the errors using what they had available, or omitting that re-issue version until proper picture elements could be used.
 
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Exactly. According to Mr. Skretvedt's response to an inquiry made on Facebook:

"I know that we went round and round on this and the problem is that the '29 picture source varies a bit from the reissue, so that there are moments in the reissue version when sync slips a bit -- but as far as I can recall, the vast majority of the reissue version is in sync."

The folks working on it knew it was out of sync and just let it be rather than, say, correcting the errors using what they had available, or omitting that re-issue version until proper picture elements could be used.
I just can't get my head wrapped around why they'd just let it go out that way - especially since it has a proper audio track on the "Essential Collection" DVD set. It just seems like a simple thing to me and wouldn't be difficult to do. As has been noted here (or is it the other thread?), there are no audio issues (music/sfx) which would have prevented the audio being properly synced.

Like Tony, I'll just use the DVD set should I want to see that particular version. But I shouldn't have to...
 

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I just can't get my head wrapped around why they'd just let it go out that way - especially since it has a proper audio track on the "Essential Collection" DVD set. It just seems like a simple thing to me and wouldn't be difficult to do. As has been noted here (or is it the other thread?), there are no audio issues (music/sfx) which would have prevented the audio being properly synced.

Like Tony, I'll just use the DVD set should I want to see that particular version. But I shouldn't have to...
I did end up viewing the version with the BERTH MARKS (1926) 1936 Reissue Soundtrack. To my eyes and ears, it was noticeably out of sync from just past the 12 minute mark to 16:38 in, when the audio and video appear to be back in sync, and remains so for the rest of the short.

In addition, I inadvertently got a little perspective this afternoon when viewing a "Dobie Gillis" Season 3 episode (S03:E21 - Birth of a Salesman), in which the Season 1 recurring character Thalia Menninger (Tuesday Weld) returns in a guest spot. The "best available source" disclaimer was apparently for the major out of sync issue which spanned the entire episode, and not only could have been easily rectified (Thus, eliminating the need for ANY disclaimer!), but actually is in fact, perfectly in sync on YouTube!

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My set finally arrived today and I have spent a couple of hours jumping through it. A couple of observations :

It's great to see these films so clean and steady compared to older prints with speckles, scratches, tears and gate weave. It's miraculous to see the texture of the backgrounds behind the various razor-sharp titles and intro cards which were usually contrasty messes on previous incarnations. I won't wade in to the "doesn't look like film" debate as it is seldom as bad as I feared but I understand the argument.

Having original titles on everything is nirvana for some of us. Anyone who started with Blackhawk Films remembers they cut off all original titles and replaced them with their generic ones for most of their releases, with original titles starting to sneak in for select subjects at the very end of the format's life.

Randy's Super 8 sound interviews with various Roach employees and stars are wonderful.

In the galleries for Way Out West there is a black and white image of what is described as a window card for WOW; this appears to be an error as window cards were not nearly as tall and had a healthy amount of blank space at the top of the advertising for theatres to print their names and the dates of the engagement , as the cards were designed to be displayed in the windows of local merchants (hence the name 'window card' ). What's there is actually a black and white image of the insert (approx. 14" by 34 ") for WOW ( which I just happen to have hanging on my wall ).
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And the galleries for Scram have a black and white image (from the pressbook) of the one-sheet poster; here is the full-color version ( which also happens to be hanging on my wall )

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