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Robert George

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After something of an ordeal involving Sharp and HH Gregg retailer (more on that in a minute), I finally got a new 85" Samsung 4K UHD display installed last evening and, of course, went into the wee hours of the morning trying different settings followed by some of the most astonishing Blu-ray viewing I have ever seen, but more on that in a minute also.


A few of you will be familiar with my background as a long-time video/movie hobbyist, DVD reviewer and for a number of years, as a designer of custom AV systems Although I left the professional AV field a year ago, my enjoyment of the hobby has never faded. During my time as an AV designer, I was able to finally realize a goal of owning a large screen front projection system with a string of front projectors, ending with a Pioneer Elite PRO-FPJ1 (JVC clone) shining of a 106" Dalite HD Progressive (Joe Kane) screen.


About a year ago, two things came together that fundamentally changed my home theater. My wife began to tire of the projector and screen in our living room, and Sharp dropped the price of their 90" LCD to something that I could almost afford. With some trepidation, and full knowledge that the Sharp was not state-of-the-art for even 1080p panels, I gave up the projector for a direct view flat panel. And I was reasonably satisfied right up until the set stopped playing 3D. Sharp made three attempts over a six week period, but oddly was not able to restore 3D function to the TV. After only a single threat of legal action, they did live up to their warranty and offered me a full credit. Unfortunately, the credit was only at the original retailer and that was the local HH Gregg and they are worse than even the worst things you hear about Best Buy.


With Sharp no longer putting 3D in their TVs, and no new 90" in the line-up, my focus moved to Samsung with their 85" 4K flat (as in not curved) panel. Lost inches, but gained a whole lot more pixels. But pixels is only part of the story.


After weeks of waiting, excuses, and generally not knowing anything useful, the TV finally showed up yesterday. With two of us first dismounting the 90" behemoth Sharp, then muscling the almost equally behemoth Samsung into place on the wall, it was time to see what was what.


The usual foreplay of a new display started with a nice greeting on the screen then an immediate launch into a software update via wired LAN connection. The Samsung does have Wi-fi, of course, but we occasionally use Netflix so I prefer a wired connection. Running through the usual litany of turning some things off, adjusting other things, I got to a picture quality that didn't make me want to puke. In fact, I was already seeing a markedly better picture than the store had on a 75" in demo mode. That started to get me excited. Running through a couple of test discs and about an hour of tweaks and trying different settings got the TV to a place that made the montage of demo material on the Spears & Munsil test disc look absolutely stunning. It was time for a pile of Blu-ray discs. Yes, DirecTV broadcast does show considerable improvement over the 1080p Sharp, that is not a reference source so I don't expect reference images.


Instead of starting with a flat image, I grabbed the disc I consider reference for both general image quality, and 3D quality. James Cameron's blue man epic, Avatar is such a rip off of Kevin Costner's Dances With Wolves, but I think in a good way, and as eye candy, it is about as good as there is. It is also a disc that I have seen enough times both flat and 3D, I knew that would really tell me all I needed to know. Boy, was there a lot to say.


With just the opening text screens and menu, I was in awe. I had to let the menu animation play for several minutes just to take in the incredibly detailed 3D image. When I hit "play in 3D", it only got better. My reaction was as though I had never seen this disc before. I could not stop watching. The depth and detail was astounding. In both flat and 3D, I was seeing subtle textures and fine details I did not even suspect HD Blu-ray was capable of. The early scene of the ship approaching Pandora exhibited a deep, velvety black without any noticeable washed-out gray I had become not very used to with the Sharp. But even with the stunning contrast that I have not seen since the last generation of the Pioneer Elite plasmas and the subsequent high-end Panasonic plasmas, there is almost unbelievable shadow detail for any TV, much less an LCD panel. Couple the high dynamic range of the video with exceptional detail in dark areas, then add some of the most beautifully saturated colors I have ever seen on any video display and you get video images that are almost impossible to turn away from.


Finally, it was getting past 2 am when I remembered reading some of the usual, negative comments on another forum about the new 4K remaster of The Fifth Element. I decided I would have Leeloo put me to bed. I lit up the new transfer of what has been a ubiquiteous demo disc for just about every format since laserdisc and was floored by this new disc. Like so many others around places like this, I am so familiar with the images of this film that I did not think there would be anything that would surprise. Once the disc started, I had to force myself to hit stop and head off the bed...an hour later!. I suspect those complaining about this new disc are not watching on a well-tuned 4K display.


So, there it is. The only problem I have encountered so far is deciding which of the pile of new discs that have been waiting for this new TV that I will watch first. One thing is certain, I have a couple of weeks of very enjoyable movie catching up ahead.


And in a few months, UHD Blu-ray. Oy vey!
 

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Robert Crawford said:
Obi,


How does the 3-D performance on this display compare to your previous projector?


The Pioneer PJ was a generation before 3D. My first 3D display was the 90" Sharp. The Samsung wipes the floor with the Sharp on 3D, and everything else.
 

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Robert George said:
The Pioneer PJ was a generation before 3D. My first 3D display was the 90" Sharp. The Samsung wipes the floor with the Sharp on 3D, and everything else.
Obi,


Gotcha! I want to go projector next, but might be prevented from doing so at my new retirement location. If so then getting a larger display like your Samsung is an alternative. It's not projection, but it gives me more screen size than my current 65" Panasonic VT.


It's good to have you back posting, please, continue to do so.:)
 

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Robert Crawford said:
Obi,


Gotcha! I want to go projector next, but might be prevented from doing so at my new retirement location. If so then getting a larger display like your Samsung is an alternative. It's not projection, but it gives me more screen size than my current 65" Panasonic VT.


It's good to have you back posting, please, continue to do so. :)


Here's my experience going from a 106" projection to 85" direct view...


Yes, the image is very obviously smaller, BUT, if the viewing distance is relatively close, in my case ~11 ft., the "impact' of the much brighter, highly dynamic image of the 4K TV offsets the smaller screen size to a great degree. The screen is still large enough for a cinematic feel and the image quality makes it a central focal point.


Thanks for the kind words from you and Sam. I never really "left", just went quiet for a while. While you're here, I will mention that a part of the hobby that has developed for me in the past couple of years is making custom Blu-ray covers. Blu-ray.com has a subforum for custom covers and that is where I post primarily. If you guys want to set up a subforum for covers here, I would certainly prefer to post my work here.
 

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Robert George said:
Here's my experience going from a 106" projection to 85" direct view...


Yes, the image is very obviously smaller, BUT, if the viewing distance is relatively close, in my case ~11 ft., the "impact' of the much brighter, highly dynamic image of the 4K TV offsets the smaller screen size to a great degree. The screen is still large enough for a cinematic feel and the image quality makes it a central focal point.


Thanks for the kind words from you and Sam. I never really "left", just went quiet for a while. While you're here, I will mention that a part of the hobby that has developed for me in the past couple of years is making custom Blu-ray covers. Blu-ray.com has a subforum for custom covers and that is where I post primarily. If you guys want to set up a subforum for covers here, I would certainly prefer to post my work here.
That's a distinct possibility.
 

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Robert George said:
Here's my experience going from a 106" projection to 85" direct view...


Yes, the image is very obviously smaller, BUT, if the viewing distance is relatively close, in my case ~11 ft., the "impact' of the much brighter, highly dynamic image of the 4K TV offsets the smaller screen size to a great degree. The screen is still large enough for a cinematic feel and the image quality makes it a central focal point.


Thanks for the kind words from you and Sam. I never really "left", just went quiet for a while. While you're here, I will mention that a part of the hobby that has developed for me in the past couple of years is making custom Blu-ray covers. Blu-ray.com has a subforum for custom covers and that is where I post primarily. If you guys want to set up a subforum for covers here, I would certainly prefer to post my work here.
Obi,


Here is our subforum for you to post your work.:)
 

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Robert George said:
With Sharp no longer putting 3D in their TVs...
Sharp has pulled out of the TV business altogether. IIUC they sold their TV factories to "Hisense" a no-name Chinese company. I bought one of their 1080p sets at a closeout price a month ago.
 

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Sam Posten said:
Obi, AFAIK the 7100 series does not support HDR, was this a consideration for you?

HDR was not a consideration. Primary concern was size followed by contrast and black level performance. That said, I'm not certain this particular model does NOT support HDR. Samsung apparently does not use that terminology as I can't find a reference on their web site, but they do refer to a features that offer expansion of color and contrast ranges.


I would certainly be interested in any technical sources that expand on this.


EDIT:


Found this press release...


http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/samsung-announces-industry-first-hdmi-2-0a-capability-for-2015-suhd-and-uhd-tvs/
 

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Yeah they do be a way to support it in software but it doesn't have dedicated hardware for doing it is my understanding, so now they have 3 tiers of HDR support:
FALD (hardware) 9500
Light peak (hardware) 8500 and 9000
Others via software 7000 series
 

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Robert, congrats on your new 85" 4K TV!


From what I am told the JS7100 will support HDR and P3 color with a firmware update. I don't expect it to perform the same as Samsung's JS series, but it will decode and display SMPTE's HDR-10 that is adopted by Ultra HD BD and Samsung's HDR scheme.


I was surprised to see Samsung drop the price by $2k for Black Friday. Sale ends this Sunday. ordered one for our showroom.


-Robert
 

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The one thing I'm not certain about, and maybe one of you guys know the answer, is do I need the evolution module for HDR content, or does the mini connect that came with the TV and the firmware update address the hardware issues.
 

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