Deep Purple on Super Audio! (1 Viewer)

[Lee Scoggins]

For you fans of the classics...
http://www.highfidelityreview.com/ne...umber=19024176

 

[Justin Lane]

and DVD-Audio
J

 

[Jagan Seshadri]

Will both the SACD and DVD-A versions be derived independently from the original analog tapes? Could this be the album that format comparisons could be made with?

-JNS

 

[KeithH]

Yeah, Lee. Give the whole story! You forgot the minor detail that the Deep Purple album will also be coming out on DVD-Audio. By the way, Machine Head is already out on DVD-Audio.

 

[Lee Scoggins]

I just figured no one would be interested in a PCM-based format. What, with the harsh cymbals and all...

 

[Jesper]

Well Lee,

You are absolutely WRONG!

Jesper

 

[Mike Broadman]

I remember hearing that album, Concerto For Group And Orchestra. It's weird.
If you ever thought that smushing a hard rock group and orchestra would sound awkward... you're absolutely right. I don't know if I'd buy it.
The article also talked about the possibility of Machine Head on SACD. Now that would be interesting. I believe it would be the first album released on both formats (the only other one I can think of is Telarc's 1812, but that was originally recorded with DSD, so it's still not really a valid comparison. Of course I, stupidly, got the DVD-A ).
DP's Concerto album would serve as the perfect A/B tester between the two formats: older music, so no recording bias (if they both use the same source), strings, and bass. Heck, I might get both just to play with them.
NP: Rolling Stones, Hot Rocks, SACD

 

[Al B. C]

I think Bryan Ferry's new one is out on both formats already.

 

[Kevin C Brown]

Cool, EMI UK are doing them. That means we'll hopefully get the remastered versions that came out a little while ago with all the extra tracks. (Got to love that 2nd disc for Machine Head. Like hearing it for the 1st time again.) 2 channel SACD looks like it will be included as well.

 

[Ed St. Clair]

What, with the harsh cymbals and all...

Isn't that great!
Just like you where hearing a real cymbal.
I'd hate to hear it on a format that did not produce the harsh sound of a cymbal.

 

[Lee Scoggins]

Just like you where hearing a real cymbal.

Ed, I work in the studio and frequently hear a shimmer of cymbal live during jazz ensemble recording.

The fact is that PCM has never gotten such a complex but simple instrument right is terms of naturalness.

DSD to my ears comes a lot closer, particularly when fed thru a Meitner converter.

 

[Ed St. Clair]

Lee, you had made no mention of shimmer. You only mentioned harsh.
As you well know, harsh is a characteristic of the instrument. As I am aware, shimmer is as well.
LPCM does produce both quality's of a cymbal.
If DSD, is more to you liking, so be it.
Just don't discount the fact that LPCM does as well.
Just, not to your liking.

Please keep DSD's lips off the master tape!

 

[Lee Scoggins]

Ed,
I have never heard any PCM or hi rez PCM format properly capture the decay of a cymbal sound.
I have heard this happen with DSD however.
In the context of "harsh" I was talking along the lines of bright and grating like most engineers and audiophiles use the term. The cymbal can have a harsh sound as you describe in rock but can have a soft shimmer sound on jazz and classical ensembles which I work with.
Don't worry, the lips never touch - its still digital versus analog.

 

[Lin Park]

This may be a little off topic but I thought Bucky Pizzarelli's Swing Live was on both SACD and DVD-A. I've got the DVD-A but am not sure about the SACD. Does anyone else know about this one?

Thanx,
Lin

 

[Lee Scoggins]

This is on Super Audio and it sounds good also. I think it might be from a PCM master, so a comparison with the DVDA may not be a fair test.

 

[Emil Stoica]

Bucky Pizzarelli's Swing Live is a PCM master disc. The SACD offers a 4.0 mix while the DVD-A has a 6.0. Since SACD will only allow 5.1, they did not release anything higher than the 4.0. The disc sounds good, but IMHO, I found the experience distracting due to the nearly constant applause out the rear speakers.

Others feel it recreates a jazz club atmosphere. So your mileage may vary....

 

[Lin Park]

Oh, you want a fair test ...
I did not realize that about the SACD, that would explain things.
Lin

 

[Lee Scoggins]

Others feel it recreates a jazz club atmosphere. So your mileage may vary....

Actually, it does not vary much with a good system. I have heard this is Chesky's mastering suite and it is so realistic, you feel you can reach out and grab a beer when the waiters walk by.