Any Idea When SVS PC+ Will Be Introduced

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  1. Rob Higgins

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    Finally sold my 20-39CS, working to sell my Samson 700 amp. Am interested in going the PC route for a change, specifically waiting on the introduction of the PC+ line. Anyone heard any rumblings from Tom or Ron on when these bad boys will be unleashed?

    Rob
     
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  3. Tom Vodhanel

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    We're gunning for a late spring pre-order at least....but we won't really know for sure for 2-4 more weeks.

    TV
     
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    I plan on selling my 20-39PC for one of these new PC+'s [​IMG]
     
  5. ToddJoseph

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    Tom or Ron,

    What is the Difference between the PCi and the PC+ and the first PC that I have here at home?

    Thank you

    Todd
     
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    Todd,
    Go to the SVS site for more on the PCi. http://www.svsubwoofers.com/svspci.htm It sports the latest driver, grill assembly and amp we have. All but the amp had been shipping as running changes to the PC line by mid December.
    The PC-Plus will be a self-powered version of THIS CS-Plus subwoofer. http://www.svsubwoofers.com/svscsplus.htm It will have a still more powerful BASH amp and possibly a few other minor features we are working on. The heart of that sub is the amazing dB12 driver and the vent design pulled from our top-performing CS-Ultra. As Tom indicated it's still a couple months off, but it IS going to happen. Work with our amp maker is already underway.
    For the sharp eyed and terminally upgrade happy...yes there WILL be a "PC-Ultra". This, naturally, will be a self-powered version of our CS-Ultra here http://www.svsubwoofers.com/CSUltrahome.htm. Given this is SVS, it'll have even MORE power, every driver tweak we can manage, and an amp that integrates any more features which might be possible around the end of the year. Price? Expensive. (But still far less than the subs it will be walking all over ;^).
    Just a little road map to misery for our competition, and/or your credit card.
    Ron
     
  7. Chip E

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    "For the sharp eyed and terminally upgrade happy...yes there WILL be a "PC-Ultra". This, naturally, will be a self-powered version of our CS-Ultra here"
    Oh boy, this IS really what i want!
     
  8. ToddJoseph

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    Ron,

    Thank you for your reply....Hmmmm very happy with the 20-39PC.....You guys are killing my credit cards
     
  9. Tom Vodhanel

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    After speaking with our amp guys on Friday,it's pretty certain the PC+ will be shipping in 60-90 days...with about 575w of BASH power [​IMG]
    TV
     
  10. Randy G

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    Can we all say "WOWWWWW"?
     
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    575 freakin watts?! Tell me those bad boys won't be selling lot hotcakes. Man, I hope they have a drawing for one of those puppies, as it's becoming more and more clear to me that I probably have not won one of the PCi's [​IMG]. That is just awesome Tom. Can't wait.
    Steve
     
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    Tom/Ron,

    Count me in.

    Will there be any current svs owner discounts for pre-orders? Pricing info for PC+? Will it also come in 3 sizes?

    Reminder to self: page refresh on svs news page every hour
     
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    Jeff,

    Not sure if we'll discount this one. Or offer pre-orders. We may just say "available now". We've tried every sort of intro but that, and each has plusses and minuses (no pun intended).

    This IS coming, no vaporware. Still, we've learned the hard way not to predict too closely when we'll actually have our first product from our new amp supplier. This I CAN say. We're picking out the control knobs and binding posts as I type this. The production date will follow soon there after. Only the prototype evaluation and final packaging remains to be done on Tom's end (which can take weeks so it's hardly a trivial matter especially given the R/D shop is pitching in full time to get back to a 1-2 day order/ship cycle on all orders). We are hoping to fit this amp into all three sizes of current Plus enclosures but the component layout will determine if we have the clearance needed to do this with the tri-port arrangement on them.

    A few other tidbits you can chew on for now include: (almost certainly) subsonic optimization for each PC-Plus model (possibly factory set, possibly variable), continuous phase adjustment, upgraded switch gear, and gobs (GOBS) of very clean power. Probably not twice the PCi, but appoaching that (call it 500 to 600 watts RMS for now). We'll see what Indigo gives us to work with in our sample soon.

    They've exceeded even our high expectations so far. The fact that each sub will have subsonic characteristics matched to the sub's tuning will mean that the aforementioned gobs of power are applied in an even more precise manner than the PCi (which is already practically reducing customers that have gotten them to tears based on sheer performance). This ought to tell you that the PC-Plus will cause outright mental instability ;^)

    We should be able to give SOME idea of availability soon based on the production date Indigo gives us. Give us a bit more time to plan the introduction strategy and final pricing. They will slide right into the $849-$1,049 price range probably.

    Please don't contact us about a pre-order list, we might keep the date pretty tightly wrapped until we are CERTAIN we'll hit a given window. We kept PCi customers waiting a bit longer than we'd have liked (still hitting our production dates but having far more orders backed up than might be optimal) and hope to tighten ETA's to minimize anxiety on both sides this time.

    OK, you know everything but the size of button down shirts we wear at our board meetings, keep this quiet OK? ;^)

    Ron
     
  15. Joshua Chen

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    Ron,
    I noticed the '(almost certainly) subsonic optimization for each PC-Plus model (factory set)'. I am going to assume that a 20-39PC+ is going to have a flatter response than a 20-39CS+ & S1000, correct?
    It seems that they are going to be priced similarly from your post, so if I was going to recommend a SVS package to a friend, why would I choose a 20-39CS+ & S1000 amp vs. a 20-39PC+, given that the amp in the PC+ would be "optimized" for that particular sub..
    FWIW, I'm a proud owner of the 20-39CS+ & S1000 combo, and enjoy it immensely. In fact, I demo'ed it to a friend, and afterwards, he said he felt queasy from the pressure waves being sent by the SVS. Brought a smile to my face, and a bathroom trip for him. [​IMG]
    Josh. (saving up for a 2ND 20-39CS+ in the future)
     
  16. SVS-Ron

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    Joshua,

    Where a decision about going with a PC-Plus versus a CS-Plus type configuration really comes home is when you consider if you will have the room space, and the bass tastes, which would dictate dual subs, either immediately or down the road. Indeed, if you only ever plan to get one sub (more than enough for the typical customer and HT) and don't have your own amp sitting around, then it makes sense to get a PC-Plus (or PCi if you are comparing its CS brother).

    If you ARE planning to go with dual subs someday (you have a large room and/or a large appetite for true reference level bass) then a CS-Plus with a Samson amp will be the package to get. You will be able to add subsonic filtering, phase control and additional gain control with our new Marchland suboofer interface box, and STILL be hundreds of dollars lower in cost than two PC-Plus subs (a dual 20-39CS-Plus with a Samson amp is only $1,499). (NOTE: The SVS/Marchland box mentioned here will be available starting today on our Accessories page).

    I don't think you will necessarily see "flatter" response with the PC-Plus amp, but you will see a more rapid rolloff of bass that's below the respective sub's tuning point (16Hz, 20Hz and 25Hz for our three sizes of Plus subs). For typical, sane, levels of use a CS-Plus doesn't need any subsonic filtering, but having this in place (eihter added on, or by getting a PC-Plus instead) will allow higher output within the sub's intended bass extension range, especially when there is bass present that is below what the sub is designed for.

    So this essentially means that a PC-Plus might provide higher average output without bottoming when there is significant bass present that's below its tuning point, when compared to a CS-Plus operating without a subsonic filter. Since many CS (including Plus and Ultra) customers aspire (or already have) twin subs to achieve very high levels (with or without subsonic filtering) then I think either solution is viable.

    Think of the PC-Plus as having a bit of a safety margin built in compared to the wholly passive CS/CS-Plus and CS-Ultra user which requires a bit more experience and a bit more self control when it comes to extracting the last degree of performance from their subs. (Again, adding our new interface box allows ANY CS/CS-Plus, Ultra or SS customer to neatly mimic the same feature set if they want it).

    Neither the CS-Plus, nor the upcoming PC-Plus will be complicated to use, but have different advantages and disadvantages, as with most quality gear.

    Ron
     
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    Vin,

    Yes, virtually all I said applies to the PCi too. The difference there is that the PCi amp has a "one size fits all" subsonic profile that is simply a bit less sophisticated than what we plan for the PC-Plus. Like many of the technical parameters of our PCi amp, we'll be "mum" on how Tom and his crew were able to do this. Suffice it to say he spent weeks getting it right with the Indigo engineering staff.

    And given how well the PCi's are being received it's not like the PCi is UN-sophisticated (hundreds sold, I think Kenny is the first person that wasn't completely floored right out of the box, and we're working with him to to find out what's up there, I've no doubt we'll get there), we simply are putting even more time, money and lessons learned into what's to be a more expensive subwoofer, as you would expect.

    I fully expect that folks that drop a $1,000 on a PC-Plus will be just as thrilled with their purchase as the somewhat less expensive PCi buyers are. Little things like what I mention above, not least of which is the unprecedented dB12 driver the Plus will use, will make that a certainty.

    That still leaves the CS-Plus for those dedicated to the slighly more challenging, "separates" approach to subwoofer configuration. Most of them wouldn't go any other way if you ask them!

    Ron
     
  19. Tony Meconiates

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    $1,000,000 question:

    If the PC+ has a 575W Bash amp, what will the PC Ultra have, and will the PC Ultra come in only 1 size?
     
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    Sounds like it'll be a pretty impressive beast.

    I'm guessing the subsonic filtering will be on a switch, so that it can be disabled? If not, it seems that it would preclude the option of taking a PC+ and plugging one of the ports to lower the tuning frequency.
     

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