A Hard Day's Night Pan & Scan from Miramax?!?

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  1. Ted Todorov

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    I can't beleive no one has mentioned this (from DVD file):
     
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    As long as the title isn't pan and scanned = sale
     
  3. Jeffrey Gray

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    The film was shot at 1.37:1, and intended to be matted down to anything from 1.55:1 to 1.66:1 to 1.85:1. A 1.37:1 version would show the most picture information possible, as it would be open-matte. (We've discussed this with many 50s/60s films given full-frame transfers on DVD; this is just another one of those films that was shot in Academy ratio and exhibited in matted widescreen.)
     
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    Criterion's laserdisc was also at 1.37:1.
     
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    I'd be interested in the final answer on this one, as I'll be wary of picking it up until I'm sure.
     
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    I played this film theatrically way back during the first reissue in 1983 (the "Dolby Stereo" reissue). The print was full-frame (Academy ratio) but the leaders had a notation of "1.66" on them (I had to run it 1.85 as my theater did not have the capability to run 1.66 or 1.37; it looked a little cramped at 1.85, but not terrible). They were the original leaders from the 1964 release as they had the old United Artists logo on them. So it sounds like Miramax is releasing an open-matte version, if this report is true.
     
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    Screw the OAR/MAR....[​IMG]
    What happened to the DTS???
    I really wanted to hear the Boys in DTS [​IMG]
    I have a feeling this will be one of those releases that pisses off the people in all regions.(more extras for R1,and better sound and possibly a better picture on that R2 release.
     
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    Following-up, it sounds like this release has been OAF'ed (Original Audio Format) as well. The film's original theatrical release was in mono only - DVDFile's report makes no mention of the original mono track being present - only the 5.1 "remix". Let's hope their report is incomplete and the disc contains the mono mix as well as correct aspect ratio picture (unless, as Damin points out, Lester wants the picture framed at 1.37).
     
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    I asked Paul Rutan, who restored A Hard Day's Night about this back in 1999, and this was his reply:
     
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    ...and those two Paul Rutan comments seems to seal it up. Damn my slow typing! Actually, I busted up my left thumb the day I came back from my honeymoon, and now every time I try to use the space bar is absolute agony.

    Also, the absence of the mono restoration track would really really annoy me. So, no 1.66 and no mono track means no sale.

    Though if Richard Lester comes out and says he prefers the films to be shown unmatted on TV, then I suppose that would be okay with me. But the lack of the mono track would still make me avoid the disc.
     
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    Aaron, in general principle I agree with you, but for A Hard Day's Night, the 5.1 version that played in theatres was only mildly different from the original mono. I saw Miramax's version on two different occasions, and I recall everything other than the music being in mono. And the songs were remixed from the original tapes to sound like they are supposed to in the mono version (NOT like they do on the MPI DVD) but with a little ambience.
     
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    On the current dvd, it's full frame until the closing credits which are widescreen. I assumed this meant it was p&s and had to open up for the credits.
     

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